DET v. NYK- 1/7/2014

[DBC10]

I hope to God we get a new GM that is young, smart, and analytical. Someone that isn't afraid of making big changes if they have to.

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[Q00]

I will absolutely not accept Smith staying and Monroe going no matter what justification. I will keep the better player. I will dump the lesser player. Simple as that.

Is that you, Tom?

You're talking like you own the team or something. We get it, you want to keep Monroe and trade Smith, but it makes no difference what you will accept or not because you're just a fan like the rest of us. You're getting a little nutty here. Chill out bro

Unless I'm mistaken this website is named RealGM right? Where we do things like propose what we would do (e.g. theoretical trades, salary cap discussions, What would you do to fix the team, etc?).

So when you can't actually come up with a logical rebuttal you start to attack the person you are arguing against. We get it.

He wants to trade Smith. I want to trade Monroe. I think you've heard my rebuttal on this topic a thousand times over already.

When the guy says "I will absolutely not accept Smith staying and Monroe going no matter what justification", is there really a point to rehashing it another thousand times? He just said no matter what anyone says, he's not accepting it.

And for what its worth, you must've missed where he called one of my posts "borderline idiocy", and then you must've forgotten that you responded with "Borderline?". lol

So who is doing the attacking here?

All I did was post a lineup suggestion that I would like to see and this guy calls it borderline idiocy. Then tells another poster he will not accept their view on Monroe/Smith. I'm just telling him to chill out and stop going overboard with this, we're all just fans and everyone has different opinions. Just because you two might be pretending to be GMs doesn't mean your opinions are more important than others who aren't.

[Clarity]

Monroe and Smith are not bad players! They are two players playing out of position.

Monroe may get a pass because he didnt sign up to play PF, he did it for the better of the team when asked.

Josh signed a 54m contract to play SF.

[c-dot]

Monroe and Smith are not bad players! They are two players playing out of position.

Monroe may get a pass because he didnt sign up to play PF, he did it for the better of the team when asked.

Josh signed a 54m contract to play SF.

LOL, im sure if we offer Monroe the Max this summer to play PF he'll turn it down for the "better of the team"

[sc8581]

Monroe and Smith are not bad players! They are two players playing out of position.

Monroe may get a pass because he didnt sign up to play PF, he did it for the better of the team when asked.

Josh signed a 54m contract to play SF.

Does that mean if Monroe signs a new deal with us knowing he's going to be the PF than it's ok to ridicule him

[Phenomenonsense]

Monroe and Smith are not bad players! They are two players playing out of position.

Monroe may get a pass because he didnt sign up to play PF, he did it for the better of the team when asked.

Josh signed a 54m contract to play SF.

Does that mean if Monroe signs a new deal with us knowing he's going to be the PF than it's ok to ridicule him

As soon as he takes 30% game winning shots and misses by about six feet.

[Q00]

Does that mean if Monroe signs a new deal with us knowing he's going to be the PF than it's ok to ridicule him

As soon as he takes 30% game winning shots and misses by about six feet.

His will be taken within six feet and missed by about 30%.

[princeofpalace]

Monroe and Smith are not bad players! They are two players playing out of position.

Look at Smith last year. Yes, he still took bad shots however not nearly as many, had more shots inside, played good defense, and created matchup problems many nights.

Monroe hasn't been horribly inefficient offensively...however he was more efficient at center and not nearly as terrible defensively there.

You cannot have two players playing out of position in your starting lineup...especially when they suffer on both sides of the ball doing so. You also cannot have two players who are such terrible compliments to your main building block (Drummond).

If Drummond is here for the long term, you need a floor spacer at the 3 and would benefit from another athlete playing alongside him at the 4.

That's why Monroe should be traded. Stop taking it so personal.

The bold isn't true, Monroe has been more efficient this season that he has last season. Additionally, Greg hasn't been getting torched by mobile PF's this season- nor is he relied on to be this team's defensive anchor like he was last season. The only thing that has changed about Monroe this season is that he's getting less FGA. And, with that being said, Monroe has looked very good since he's started to get more touches these past few games- unlike Smith who always looks like crap. Greg clearly has no problem playing PF. But yeah- we obviously need a SF that can shoot- which is our biggest problem this season.

This season
FG: 51%
TS: 54%

Last season
FG: 49%
TS: 52%

If Monroe is traded in favor of Smith- this team will be a borderline playoff team for the entirety of Smith's contract.

[wire28]

It's hilarious everyone is so bent on trading smith but don't realize if a trade is happening it's more likely that Gregory will be gone. Just prepare yourself to be mad because if a team is calling the pistons it's for the young guy playing out of position at PF, not the old guy with 4 years on his deal that has proven no matter where he is in the lineup he is going to play like a SG.

And no, Greg is better at center then PF. He has no jumpshot and his post moves are more affective against less athletic players. His poor defense is also less apparent against centers. I don't think Dumars will pay him the max to play out of position for the majority of his minutes for the duration of drummonds contract.

Jennings tweeted then deleted something to the effect of, I've been told not to be a scoring guard, I'm supposed to set up my teammates and chill. He deleted those two tweets later on. This team is collapsing in many different ways. I'm excited to see how it ends.

That was obviously in response to being bashed by pistons fans on twitter. Who do you think he is telling to chill out?

Monroe also tweeted about "twitter thugs" last night too. Both of them are emotional when it comes to fan criticism but they aren't signs of the team falling apart. It's just what you would expect when the players get bashed (some might say deservedly) for the team being trash.

[Clarity]

LOL, im sure if we offer Monroe the Max this summer to play PF he'll turn it down for the "better of the team"

No clue what youre talking about.

& hes a RFA, we'll likely match not offer.

Does that mean if Monroe signs a new deal with us knowing he's going to be the PF than it's ok to ridicule him

Like everyone, as long as its factual.

[c-dot]

LOL, im sure if we offer Monroe the Max this summer to play PF he'll turn it down for the "better of the team"

No clue what youre talking about.

& hes a RFA, we'll likely match not offer.

No clue? Ok, whatever man...

[Invictus88]

Is that you, Tom?

You're talking like you own the team or something. We get it, you want to keep Monroe and trade Smith, but it makes no difference what you will accept or not because you're just a fan like the rest of us. You're getting a little nutty here. Chill out bro

Unless I'm mistaken this website is named RealGM right? Where we do things like propose what we would do (e.g. theoretical trades, salary cap discussions, What would you do to fix the team, etc?).

So when you can't actually come up with a logical rebuttal you start to attack the person you are arguing against. We get it.

He wants to trade Smith. I want to trade Monroe. I think you've heard my rebuttal on this topic a thousand times over already.

When the guy says "I will absolutely not accept Smith staying and Monroe going no matter what justification", is there really a point to rehashing it another thousand times? He just said no matter what anyone says, he's not accepting it.

And for what its worth, you must've missed where he called one of my posts "borderline idiocy", and then you must've forgotten that you responded with "Borderline?". lol

So who is doing the attacking here?

All I did was post a lineup suggestion that I would like to see and this guy calls it borderline idiocy. Then tells another poster he will not accept their view on Monroe/Smith. I'm just telling him to chill out and stop going overboard with this, we're all just fans and everyone has different opinions. Just because you two might be pretending to be GMs doesn't mean your opinions are more important than others who aren't.

I'm sorry but when you start making posts stating that we should start CV or Harrelson over Monroe then you're just wasting people's time with the posts because they are utter nonsense. Completely ignoring mountains of data to the contrary regarding Smith and then calling people names such as 'statboy' who use that data is irrational.

You're so hell bent on defending Smith in every thread against all comers that it is now completely irrelevant what other people say to the contrary. There is literally nothing that either Smith or Monroe could ever do to change your mind about either of them. The fact that a good majority of people on this board have real problems with Smith's performance means absolutely nothing to you. There's just no possible way that you could be wrong about this. It's everyone else whose viewpoint is skewed.

And if you can't see the problem with that then it really is idiocy.

[c-dot]

Trading Smith is not a realistic option this year, Trading Monroe is. Thats really what it comes down to. I am far from a Smith fan but I know it is very unlikely that we trade him in the first year of his contract. Monroe is gonna want more than Smith next year. Monroe has never sniffed the playoffs before, do you really think paying him more will make him better? At least we know Smith has played a major role on a winning team before in the past. Monroe just seems like Al Jefferson, good player, good stats, dosen't produce wins.

[Clarity]

LOL, im sure if we offer Monroe the Max this summer to play PF he'll turn it down for the "better of the team"

No clue what youre talking about.

& hes a RFA, we'll likely match not offer.

No clue? Ok, whatever man...

Yeah, lets keep it on topic. If Monroe signed a 54 mill contract to play PF & couldnt play it, criticism would & should be welcomed.

What that has to do with anything is beyond me though cause that isnt the situation.

[Invictus88]

Trading Smith is not a realistic option this year, Trading Monroe is. Thats really what it comes down to. I am far from a Smith fan but I know it is very unlikely that we trade him in the first year of his contract. Monroe is gonna want more than Smith next year. Monroe has never sniffed the playoffs before, do you really think paying him more will make him better? At least we know Smith has played a major role on a winning team before in the past. Monroe just seems like Al Jefferson, good player, good stats, dosen't produce wins.

There's no doubt Monroe is easier to trade than Smith.

But Monroe is only 24 years old and has been surrounded by a sub-par cast since he got here. I don't think it's realistic to expect that the addition of Monroe alone would suddenly vault a team in the Pistons' state into playoffs contention. He's an above-average player in the post. He's not a superstar.

Am I correct in stating that Smith had a much better supporting cast in his playoff runs? (Joe Johnson, Al Horford, Korver / Bibby)

And Atlanta seems to be doing about as well as before in their first year without Smoove...

[Clarity]

Trading Smith is not a realistic option this year, Trading Monroe is. Thats really what it comes down to. I am far from a Smith fan but I know it is very unlikely that we trade him in the first year of his contract. Monroe is gonna want more than Smith next year. Monroe has never sniffed the playoffs before, do you really think paying him more will make him better? At least we know Smith has played a major role on a winning team before in the past. Monroe just seems like Al Jefferson, good player, good stats, dosen't produce wins.

Based on history & the fact that teams rarely if ever let go of a 23 year old 7 footer with Monroe's skill set id say its unlikely anything occurs with the front line.

Definitely agree with Josh not being a realistic trade option, he is here. 4 years/54 mill.

Josh was apart of one of the most under achieving teams of the last decade & was a major part of that under achieving. Monroe is as close to an All Star game last year as Josh has ever been.

& Al Jeff has been a very good player for a very long time. Most guys aside from Lebron cant win big by themselves obviously. A team with a dynamite wing would love to play with an Al Jeff. Hes what OKC has been missing for years.

[Clarity]

There's no doubt Monroe is easier to trade than Smith.

But Monroe is only 24 years old and has been surrounded by a sub-par cast since he got here. I don't think it's realistic to expect that the addition of Monroe alone would suddenly vault a team in the Pistons' state into playoffs contention. He's an above-average player in the post. He's not a superstar.

Am I correct in stating that Smith had a much better supporting cast in his playoff runs? (Joe Johnson, Al Horford, Korver / Bibby)

And Atlanta seems to be doing about as well as before in their first year without Smoove...

Good post.

Monroe is definitely not a superstar but he can definitely be an All Star & a hell of a complimentary piece next to Drummond who will be our Superstar. With some wing help that could be a dominant front line down the line.

The Hawks are doing the same without Josh actually.