Excellent Article about why Dumars should go.

[HeroicKennedy]

advanced stats are one of the most overrated things in sports now a days

at the end of the day i dont need an advanced stat to tell me how good a player is. its just a talking point to make someone sound smarter than they are most of the time.

joe D needs to go because the team has been mediocre at assessing talent for going on almost a decade now. as has already been said, i didnt need an article to tell me that

Except advanced statistics showed how certain players were undervalued due to failing the "eye test." And they allow us to better understand what statistics actively contributes to wins and what type of players go about adding to those wins.

[Invictus88]

I'm not asking for the Pistons to rely on advanced stats. But would it be too much to ask for them to look at field goal percentage from time to time?

And oh yeah. Tell their team to play defense. That might help too.

[triplet1984]

This is just one of many reasons to get rid of Joe. But not even the main one. It's this moron doesn't believe in positions and doesn't believe in a balanced roster. He just thinks you can stack "talent" and play them wherever. 2009 ruined this franchise for almost half a decade and what does he do next time he has cap space?

THE EXACT SAME **** THING!

I expect him to throw everything at Asik next. Why? Because it's the one position were set at.

[The Penguin]

I see the value in analytics when it comes to a 2nd round pick or filling out the bench but that's far from the top reason Joe needs to go.

1) He's been unwilling to fully commit to rebuilding. We've half ***ed the last 5 years with a half in, half out approach. Instead of committing to acquiring youth and playing that youth he's kept vets like Maxiell who take playing time away from our guys and still lose games. People talk about the Thunder approach but we've been the opposite. The Maggette-Ben Gordon trade was a "screw the future, let's get back to the playoffs ASAP". Presti never would have done a move like that.

2) He's too loyal to his guys. It's ridiculous we got nothing for Rip & Prince. It's ridiculous the contract Jerebko got. The reason Houston was able to get Harden wasn't analytics, it was because Morey hoarded assets at every opportunity and was able to flip them when the time was right. Joe has done the opposite.

3) He's ignored fit. The reason why Miami, OKC, Indy or Houston are the best teams in the league is because they've got elite talent but more importantly their lineups make sense. Part of its on Cheeks for taking 40 games to realize Drummond-Monroe-Smith doesn't work, but who hired Cheeks?

The real reason Joe needs to go is because he's a dinosaur. He's from an age when GMs were mainly players who didn't want to walk away from the game and franchise altering trades were done on the golf course. He's not willing or not able to survive with teams that acquire assets like Houston or OKC or have the guts to level a roster like Miami. The game is much smarter now and analytics are just a small part of that.

[Piston Pete]

Don't need to read an article to understand why/how Dumars has been nad since, oh, say....2006? Just look at the moves he's made since then and watch the product on the floor.

[Q00]

What I never understand for those that want the Pistons to take a more advanced statisictal approach, is where is the statistical evidence that proves that approach is the better way to go?

There's people who believe strongly that every decision in basketball should be backed up by numbers, but then its no big deal to them that there's no numbers backing up the claim of that being a better approach.

It kind of doesn't add up. If you believe strongly in using stats for everything, then you can't just ignore the fact that there are no stats proving that an analytics based approach in basketball is better.

[Invictus88]

What I never understand for those that want the Pistons to take a more advanced statisictal approach, is where is the statistical evidence that proves that approach is the better way to go?

There's people who believe strongly that every decision in basketball should be backed up by numbers, but then its no big deal to them that there's no numbers backing up the claim of that being a better approach.

It kind of doesn't add up. If you believe strongly in using stats for everything, then you can't just ignore the fact that there are no stats proving that an analytics based approach in basketball is better.

The only number needed to back up advanced stats usage should be wins and losses in an isolated environment. Now I'm honestly not familiar with which teams do what in regards to advanced statistics usage so I can't make any claims either way. I really don't know if anyone has that insight.

You can clearly see in other sports where things like sabremetrics have provided baseball teams like the Red Sox, A's, etc with a clear edge. How this translates to basketball is debatable but the theory that these numbers can be indicators seems plausible.

I don't even think you *have* to go so far as to use all of the bells and gizmos that people have dreamed up in recent years. But I do think you have to at least be cognizant of some very obvious statistical indicators that have been around forever.

If a guy shoots below the league average from a particular distance he probably shouldn't be taking a lot of shots from that range. If a guy is shooting above the league average then you should probably find a way to give him more opportunities. This pistons so far have done a very poor job at this this season. Part of this is that they have a lot of poor shooters but part is that they often ignore the people who are shooting well or go away from them.

Stats shouldn't be the ONLY factor you consider when evaluating a player. But over a large enough sample size they more often than not CAN point out strengths and weaknesses in a player's game.