Did pressure on Dumars derail the Pistons' rebuilding?

[Clarity]

The worst part is the timing of everything. With Drummond and Monroe all we need is a young perimeter star.

bingo

Back on topic.....Dumars is an idiot.

Continue....

Really this is all were all trying to say.

[triplet1984]

If Dumars was pressured it was his own bad decisions in years before that caused it.

[The Penguin]

So a GM is bigger than the next 10 years of our franchise?

Who cares about Dumars, Rich Neuheisal was about to get fired at UCLA & if he woulda burned Brett Hundley's red shirt he could have probably rode it out & kept his job but that wasnt best for the program moving forward.

Yup that's exactly what said.

So what do you expect Dumars to do when Gores puts the pressure? Roll over and quit? I think has too much pride for that. Its better this happens now rather 2-3 years down the line. If Gores let Dumars linger that long, we might another William Clay Ford on our hands.

I expect Dumars to say "Tom, I understand you want to make the playoffs asap, but let's build this the right way. We have two young franchise caliber big men, a lot of rebuilding teams would trip over themselves for that, lets pump the breaks and allow them to develop organically and hopefully land a star caliber perimeter player to compliment them."

If Dumars-Gores relationship is such that conversation couldn't happen then it's broken beyond repair already.

[Clarity]

I expect Dumars to say "Tom, I understand you want to make the playoffs asap, but let's build this the right way. We have two young franchise caliber big men, a lot of rebuilding teams would trip over themselves for that, lets pump the breaks and allow them to develop organically and hopefully land a star caliber perimeter player to compliment them."

If Dumars-Gores relationship is such that conversation couldn't happen then it's broken beyond repair already.

My point exactly. Couldnt have said it better myself.

And 500, great post.

[Sheeeeed]

So a GM is bigger than the next 10 years of our franchise?

Who cares about Dumars, Rich Neuheisal was about to get fired at UCLA & if he woulda burned Brett Hundley's red shirt he could have probably rode it out & kept his job but that wasnt best for the program moving forward.

Yup that's exactly what said.

So what do you expect Dumars to do when Gores puts the pressure? Roll over and quit? I think has too much pride for that. Its better this happens now rather 2-3 years down the line. If Gores let Dumars linger that long, we might another William Clay Ford on our hands.

I expect Dumars to say "Tom, I understand you want to make the playoffs asap, but let's build this the right way. We have two young franchise caliber big men, a lot of rebuilding teams would trip over themselves for that, lets pump the breaks and allow them to develop organically and hopefully land a star caliber perimeter player to compliment them."

If Dumars-Gores relationship is such that conversation couldn't happen then it's broken beyond repair already.

Yeah except Dumars has never wanted to build a team that way, and never considered this team rebuilding. The moves hes made in the last 5 years, and want hes said in the media is proof of that.

[Snakebites]

Yup that's exactly what said.

So what do you expect Dumars to do when Gores puts the pressure? Roll over and quit? I think has too much pride for that. Its better this happens now rather 2-3 years down the line. If Gores let Dumars linger that long, we might another William Clay Ford on our hands.

I expect Dumars to say "Tom, I understand you want to make the playoffs asap, but let's build this the right way. We have two young franchise caliber big men, a lot of rebuilding teams would trip over themselves for that, lets pump the breaks and allow them to develop organically and hopefully land a star caliber perimeter player to compliment them."

If Dumars-Gores relationship is such that conversation couldn't happen then it's broken beyond repair already.

Yeah except Dumars has never wanted to build a team that way, and never considered this team rebuilding. Hes moves hes made in the last 5 years, and want hes said in the media is proof of that.

This.

I do agree entirely that the pressure from Gores played a role. The case in point there is the sacrifice of a draft pick. Dumars knew that if he failed to get this team into the playoffs within 2 years that it would be his predecessor, not him, who would have to deal with the consequences of that move.

The overall story isn't that simple when you look at his other moves, though. Weren't the extension of Rip and the signings of Ben Gordon and CV also very short sighted moves made prior to Gores coming on board? Didn't both of those signify an intention to get this team into playoff contention in the short term rather than embracing a transition period?

Dumars has also been on record describing the notion of a "full rebuild" where a team becomes horrible and then builds from the ground up as a "farce". He's always advocated retooling over rebuilding. He NEVER embraced a full rebuild.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Gores' "playoffs or bust" attitude spurred this whole thing along, but Dumars never had the right attitude to rebuild this team. That's been clearly evident since late 2008 and there were hints of it even before then.

[Clarity]

There's plenty of blame to go around. Gores' "playoffs or bust" attitude spurred this whole thing along, but Dumars never had the right attitude to rebuild this team. That's been clearly evident since late 2008 and there were hints of it even before then.

Completely agree. & he caught the magic luck of landing Monroe & Drummond & still screwed it up.

[vic]

JOE DUMARS CHOSE JOSH SMITH OVER JOSÉ CALDERON!!

http://m.freep.com/Sports/article?a=201 ... 026&f=1233

FIRE JOE

[triplet1984]

What derailed the team is Dumars' idiotic notion that positions and roles don't matter. He keeps getting players at positions we're set at and keeps expecting them to change their game for us.

[ImHeisenberg]

JOE DUMARS CHOSE JOSH SMITH OVER JOSÉ CALDERON!!

http://m.freep.com/Sports/article?a=201 ... 026&f=1233

FIRE JOE

I wouldn't have chosen either.

We would all be pissed off if Dumars have Jose the same size deal that Dallas gave him.

[Defor]

If Joe couldn't make the moves he wanted to make , because of Gore , he should have resigned. We had all that cap space some good pieces in place and he gives us this crappy roster . I pray to GOD Gore comes to his senses and fires him before he makes anymore moves.