Wizards interested in trading for Monroe

[DetroitSho]

So you basically just repeated everything I just said. That the problem is defense and coaching. What's your point?

There's no point in having a point talking to you. You've been told that Monroe is a good post defender, also backed up by statistical analysis, and all you can say is you're using the eyeball test because you watch all Pistons games. Well I have watched 98% of Pistons games Josh Smith has been a Piston and he is the worst defender in the league based on the eyeball test.

cool. In case you can't take the hint by me rarely ever responding to your posts, I don't like talking to you either. So stop responding to mine

Yeah, if I was the type of poster you've shown that you are I wouldn't want to argue facts either. By the way, no. It's called ignore. Get over yourself.

[GeeWiz]

Go away. Your ASSumptions are ASSinine.

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Wow, your so witty! I commend you on your slick wordplay.

I guess it's easier to be in denial than face actual reality. Well here's hoping you can trade Monroe for a package that makes you guys happy. Who knows maybe a GM will get drunk and hand yall 3 1st rd picks and a stud on a rookie contract. Stranger things have happened I guess.

What serious analysis do you even expect? Let's first verify the reason you're here.
*checks thread title*
Oh yeah, its due to the (un)possibility of Monroe being added to your team. So clearly that's something you would like. So the position you're coming from is let's add this guy, give up crap in the process, AND re-sign a 23 year old double double big at $10 million a year. Why should anyone take that with anything more than a grain of salt.

You know all about the Pistons' front office plans. You know for sure they don't want to pay or match a max offer. Who have you been talking to in the FO? Just wondering. You're under the assumption that the ONLY way to clean the logjam in the front court is to trade Monroe for crap or worse, let him walk for nothing. Just wow. If we're going to have one guy making $13.5 million and another guy being traded for way less than value, I want the $13.5 million guy to be Moose and the other traded for crap to be Smith. If the front office was faced with this exact decision and had no option C, I'd be willing to bet they'd keep Moose and ditch Smith. There's a difference between switching Moose for another young established player that fits us long term, and taking what we can get. And you're assuming the Pistons are in a take whatever we can get position.

New Orleans matched the Phoenix offer for Eric Gordon even after he basically told them not to. This is not even nearly the same terrible situation as that. The general consensus amongst the talking heads that you're probably listening to was that there was no way the Knicks wouldn't match the Lin offer sheet. He made them too much money with marketing to not match, his presence would more than pay for the poison pill contract. The Knicks didn't match. Thinking you really know the inner workings of another team's FO is hilarious. We have capspae just like Washington does. There's NO reason to neither lose Monroe for nothing nor take crap back for him. You have all these answers to the Pistons. Apparently to you they're this clusterf**k of a team right now, all while being a mere 3.5 games behind your own beloved team. Maybe you should direct that FO knowledge to your own team.

Jeez, some of you Pistons fans sure do have your panties in a bunch. Calm down, not Dat's fault the Pistons are in the position they're in.

Now you can fantasize that you'll get some superstar in return, but its not gonna happen. You need wings and less starting caliber bigs, we have wings and need more starting caliber bigs. Given the Pistons lack of leverage due to Monroe's RFA status, paired with the JSmith contract, you may not be pleased with a trade made.

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[DetroitSho]

Wow, your so witty! I commend you on your slick wordplay.

I guess it's easier to be in denial than face actual reality. Well here's hoping you can trade Monroe for a package that makes you guys happy. Who knows maybe a GM will get drunk and hand yall 3 1st rd picks and a stud on a rookie contract. Stranger things have happened I guess.

What serious analysis do you even expect? Let's first verify the reason you're here.
*checks thread title*
Oh yeah, its due to the (un)possibility of Monroe being added to your team. So clearly that's something you would like. So the position you're coming from is let's add this guy, give up crap in the process, AND re-sign a 23 year old double double big at $10 million a year. Why should anyone take that with anything more than a grain of salt.

You know all about the Pistons' front office plans. You know for sure they don't want to pay or match a max offer. Who have you been talking to in the FO? Just wondering. You're under the assumption that the ONLY way to clean the logjam in the front court is to trade Monroe for crap or worse, let him walk for nothing. Just wow. If we're going to have one guy making $13.5 million and another guy being traded for way less than value, I want the $13.5 million guy to be Moose and the other traded for crap to be Smith. If the front office was faced with this exact decision and had no option C, I'd be willing to bet they'd keep Moose and ditch Smith. There's a difference between switching Moose for another young established player that fits us long term, and taking what we can get. And you're assuming the Pistons are in a take whatever we can get position.

New Orleans matched the Phoenix offer for Eric Gordon even after he basically told them not to. This is not even nearly the same terrible situation as that. The general consensus amongst the talking heads that you're probably listening to was that there was no way the Knicks wouldn't match the Lin offer sheet. He made them too much money with marketing to not match, his presence would more than pay for the poison pill contract. The Knicks didn't match. Thinking you really know the inner workings of another team's FO is hilarious. We have capspae just like Washington does. There's NO reason to neither lose Monroe for nothing nor take crap back for him. You have all these answers to the Pistons. Apparently to you they're this clusterf**k of a team right now, all while being a mere 3.5 games behind your own beloved team. Maybe you should direct that FO knowledge to your own team.

Jeez, some of you Pistons fans sure do have your panties in a bunch. Calm down, not Dat's fault the Pistons are in the position they're in.

Now you can fantasize that you'll get some superstar in return, but its not gonna happen. You need wings and less starting caliber bigs, we have wings and need more starting caliber bigs. Given the Pistons lack of leverage due to Monroe's RFA status, paired with the JSmith contract, you may not be pleased with a trade made.

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Jeez, I would love for you to point out the part where I said we should be getting a superstar in return. I'll wait.

And by the way, when did it become a 2 team league? If a trade is what they pursue, there's other teams in the league, ya know?

[Q00]

Teams are moving toward jumpshooting rather than paint based points. Moose isn't the weakest link like you're trying to allude to. It's a generalization without any solid evidence. If anything, trading Smith, Jennings and Monroe makes more sense than trading just one of those 3. Because they're either good at one thing (Offense or defense) or terrible at all. There is no balance.

If teams are moving towards jumpshooting rather than paint points, then how is Monroe not the weakest link?

He can't shoot jumpshots or defend them, and relies on scoring all his points in the paint. In addition, whatever positive he may offer in the post on defense is meaningless because PFs today rarely post up as all are jumpshooters like you say. That's why those synergy stats don't mean anything to me. What good is his post defense if you are playing him on jumpshooting 4s the whole game?

Its the same with Smith. What good is his shotblocking if he's guarding the perimeter all game?

The difference is you can't move Monroe to Center to take advantage of his strengths on defense because of Drummond. You can move Smith to PF to take advantage of his. That's the point.

There is no value in Monroe at PF on either end in a jumpshooting league. He can't shoot on offense and can't defend them on defense. With Smith you at least have value in one side of the equation with his ability to defend 4s and be a shotblocking presence in the paint to help cover up Jennings problems.

Bottom line is the combo of Jennings/Monroe defensively just isn't working, and both probably need to go eventually. Monroe is the easiest to move, so he should be first. If you don't agree we'll have to agree to disagree.

[need4detroit]

Teams are moving toward jumpshooting rather than paint based points. Moose isn't the weakest link like you're trying to allude to. It's a generalization without any solid evidence. If anything, trading Smith, Jennings and Monroe makes more sense than trading just one of those 3. Because they're either good at one thing (Offense or defense) or terrible at all. There is no balance.

If teams are moving towards jumpshooting rather than paint points, then how is Monroe not the weakest link?

He can't shoot jumpshots or defend them, and relies on scoring all his points in the paint. In addition, whatever positive he may offer in the post on defense is meaningless because PFs today rarely post up as all are jumpshooters like you say. That's why those synergy stats don't mean anything to me. What good is his post defense if you are playing him on jumpshooting 4s the whole game?

Its the same with Smith. What good is his shotblocking if he's guarding the perimeter all game?

The difference is you can't move Monroe to Center to take advantage of his strengths on defense because of Drummond. You can move Smith to PF to take advantage of his. That's the point.

There is no value in Monroe at PF on either end in a jumpshooting league. He can't shoot on offense and can't defend them on defense. With Smith you at least have value in one side of the equation with his ability to defend 4s and be a shotblocking presence in the paint to help cover up Jennings problems.

Bottom line is the combo of Jennings/Monroe defensively just isn't working, and both probably need to go eventually. Monroe is the easiest to move, so he should be first. If you don't agree we'll have to agree to disagree.

Why cant Drummond shift to the four defensively other than the fact that hell be playing farther from the paint at times?

[DBC10]

Teams are moving toward jumpshooting rather than paint based points. Moose isn't the weakest link like you're trying to allude to. It's a generalization without any solid evidence. If anything, trading Smith, Jennings and Monroe makes more sense than trading just one of those 3. Because they're either good at one thing (Offense or defense) or terrible at all. There is no balance.

If teams are moving towards jumpshooting rather than paint points, then how is Monroe not the weakest link?

He can't shoot jumpshots or defend them, and relies on scoring all his points in the paint. In addition, whatever positive he may offer in the post on defense is meaningless because PFs today rarely post up as all are jumpshooters like you say. That's why those synergy stats don't mean anything to me. What good is his post defense if you are playing him on jumpshooting 4s the whole game?

Its the same with Smith. What good is his shotblocking if he's guarding the perimeter all game?

The difference is you can't move Monroe to Center to take advantage of his strengths on defense because of Drummond. You can move Smith to PF to take advantage of his. That's the point.

There is no value in Monroe at PF on either end in a jumpshooting league. He can't shoot on offense and can't defend them on defense. With Smith you at least have value in one side of the equation with his ability to defend 4s and be a shotblocking presence in the paint to help cover up Jennings problems.

Bottom line is the combo of Jennings/Monroe defensively just isn't working, and both probably need to go eventually. Monroe is the easiest to move, so he should be first. If you don't agree we'll have to agree to disagree.

Since I'm not going to argue back and forth on the basis of eye test, I'll point out an interesting stat picked up from a DBB article last season.

According to Synergy Sports, Monroe is ranked 17th in the league (regardless of position) in defending spot-up perimeter shots including long twos and three-point attempts. Synergy has tracked 87 spot-up attempts against Monroe this season, and he's allowed 31.1% inside the three point line and 26.9% beyond.

Tell me again why he's bad in your eyes on guarding the perimeter?

There's been no indication if Moose's jumpshot has been improved or not since a large part of jumpshots go to Smith or Jennings so you can't claim he doesn't have a jumper with the same basis in me saying he's improved on that front. Since he's only 23 years old and a first year of him playing exclusively as PF, I would edge out slightly in saying that there's a better chance of him developing some sort of a jumpshot.

And please let go of the cognitive dissonance with not entertaining the idea of trading Smith. He's been worse for us in both offense and defense for a guy that's supposedly gifted to play either position and signed for the position too. Say it with me, Jennings, Smith, and Moose are equally expendable.

Since even if we move Smith toward PF, we would still need to follow the trend of the evolved jumpshooting game do we not? Since Smith doesn't have a jumper, he is just as expendable as Moose since we would need to space the floor for Dre. No self respecting team is going to tighten up on Smith now that he is going for record lows on shooting percentages. Our clogged presence isn't going to be magically changed with Smith playing PF. It'll still be clogged because of Smith and Dre will get less touches which means hindering his growth.

There is no value in Monroe at PF on either end in a jumpshooting league. He can't shoot on offense and can't defend them on defense. With Smith you at least have value in one side of the equation with his ability to defend 4s and be a shotblocking presence in the paint to help cover up Jennings problems.

So we solve one problem to create another? That's a marginal difference that isn't going to solve problems for the longterm. Especially in a jump shooting league and we have a guy who can't shoot to save his life.

[DetroitSho]

Teams are moving toward jumpshooting rather than paint based points. Moose isn't the weakest link like you're trying to allude to. It's a generalization without any solid evidence. If anything, trading Smith, Jennings and Monroe makes more sense than trading just one of those 3. Because they're either good at one thing (Offense or defense) or terrible at all. There is no balance.

If teams are moving towards jumpshooting rather than paint points, then how is Monroe not the weakest link?

He can't shoot jumpshots or defend them, and relies on scoring all his points in the paint. In addition, whatever positive he may offer in the post on defense is meaningless because PFs today rarely post up as all are jumpshooters like you say. That's why those synergy stats don't mean anything to me. What good is his post defense if you are playing him on jumpshooting 4s the whole game?

Its the same with Smith. What good is his shotblocking if he's guarding the perimeter all game?

The difference is you can't move Monroe to Center to take advantage of his strengths on defense because of Drummond. You can move Smith to PF to take advantage of his. That's the point.

There is no value in Monroe at PF on either end in a jumpshooting league. He can't shoot on offense and can't defend them on defense. With Smith you at least have value in one side of the equation with his ability to defend 4s and be a shotblocking presence in the paint to help cover up Jennings problems.

Bottom line is the combo of Jennings/Monroe defensively just isn't working, and both probably need to go eventually. Monroe is the easiest to move, so he should be first. If you don't agree we'll have to agree to disagree.

Since I'm not going to argue back and forth on the basis of eye test, I'll point out an interesting stat picked up from a DBB article last season.

According to Synergy Sports, Monroe is ranked 17th in the league (regardless of position) in defending spot-up perimeter shots including long twos and three-point attempts. Synergy has tracked 87 spot-up attempts against Monroe this season, and he's allowed 31.1% inside the three point line and 26.9% beyond.

Tell me again why he's bad in your eyes on guarding the perimeter?

There's been no indication if Moose's jumpshot has been improved or not since a large part of jumpshots go to Smith or Jennings so you can't claim he doesn't have a jumper with the same basis in me saying he's improved on that front. Since he's only 23 years old and a first year of him playing exclusively as PF, I would edge out slightly in saying that there's a better chance of him developing some sort of a jumpshot.

And please let go of the cognitive dissonance with not entertaining the idea of trading Smith. He's been worse for us in both offense and defense for a guy that's supposedly gifted to play either position and signed for the position too. Say it with me, Jennings, Smith, and Moose are equally expendable.

Since even if we move Smith toward PF, we would still need to follow the trend of the evolved jumpshooting game do we not? Since Smith doesn't have a jumper, he is just as expendable as Moose since we would need to space the floor for Dre.

There is no value in Monroe at PF on either end in a jumpshooting league. He can't shoot on offense and can't defend them on defense. With Smith you at least have value in one side of the equation with his ability to defend 4s and be a shotblocking presence in the paint to help cover up Jennings problems.

So we solve one problem to create another? That's a marginal difference that isn't going to solve problems for the longterm.

Checkmate. This guy gets it.

[GeeWiz]

What serious analysis do you even expect? Let's first verify the reason you're here.
*checks thread title*
Oh yeah, its due to the (un)possibility of Monroe being added to your team. So clearly that's something you would like. So the position you're coming from is let's add this guy, give up crap in the process, AND re-sign a 23 year old double double big at $10 million a year. Why should anyone take that with anything more than a grain of salt.

You know all about the Pistons' front office plans. You know for sure they don't want to pay or match a max offer. Who have you been talking to in the FO? Just wondering. You're under the assumption that the ONLY way to clean the logjam in the front court is to trade Monroe for crap or worse, let him walk for nothing. Just wow. If we're going to have one guy making $13.5 million and another guy being traded for way less than value, I want the $13.5 million guy to be Moose and the other traded for crap to be Smith. If the front office was faced with this exact decision and had no option C, I'd be willing to bet they'd keep Moose and ditch Smith. There's a difference between switching Moose for another young established player that fits us long term, and taking what we can get. And you're assuming the Pistons are in a take whatever we can get position.

New Orleans matched the Phoenix offer for Eric Gordon even after he basically told them not to. This is not even nearly the same terrible situation as that. The general consensus amongst the talking heads that you're probably listening to was that there was no way the Knicks wouldn't match the Lin offer sheet. He made them too much money with marketing to not match, his presence would more than pay for the poison pill contract. The Knicks didn't match. Thinking you really know the inner workings of another team's FO is hilarious. We have capspae just like Washington does. There's NO reason to neither lose Monroe for nothing nor take crap back for him. You have all these answers to the Pistons. Apparently to you they're this clusterf**k of a team right now, all while being a mere 3.5 games behind your own beloved team. Maybe you should direct that FO knowledge to your own team.

Jeez, some of you Pistons fans sure do have your panties in a bunch. Calm down, not Dat's fault the Pistons are in the position they're in.

Now you can fantasize that you'll get some superstar in return, but its not gonna happen. You need wings and less starting caliber bigs, we have wings and need more starting caliber bigs. Given the Pistons lack of leverage due to Monroe's RFA status, paired with the JSmith contract, you may not be pleased with a trade made.

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Jeez, I would love for you to point out the part where I said we should be getting a superstar in return. I'll wait.

And by the way, when did it become a 2 team league? If a trade is what they pursue, there's other teams in the league, ya know?

Jeez, I would love for you to point out where I mentioned the league only having two teams. I'll wait.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect a huge return for Monroe. A possible target would be Barnes, maybe Ariza, other threes. If I were the Wiz I'd take a chance and go Porter and Ariza plus a second rounder for Monroe and a filler, as I mentioned before. Thats from the Wizards perspective. Just because I'm not gonna sit here all day thinking of trades for all 30 teams, doesnt mean I'm implying its a two team league.

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[Pharaoh]

Wow, your so witty! I commend you on your slick wordplay.

I guess it's easier to be in denial than face actual reality. Well here's hoping you can trade Monroe for a package that makes you guys happy. Who knows maybe a GM will get drunk and hand yall 3 1st rd picks and a stud on a rookie contract. Stranger things have happened I guess.

What serious analysis do you even expect? Let's first verify the reason you're here.
*checks thread title*
Oh yeah, its due to the (un)possibility of Monroe being added to your team. So clearly that's something you would like. So the position you're coming from is let's add this guy, give up crap in the process, AND re-sign a 23 year old double double big at $10 million a year. Why should anyone take that with anything more than a grain of salt.

You know all about the Pistons' front office plans. You know for sure they don't want to pay or match a max offer. Who have you been talking to in the FO? Just wondering. You're under the assumption that the ONLY way to clean the logjam in the front court is to trade Monroe for crap or worse, let him walk for nothing. Just wow. If we're going to have one guy making $13.5 million and another guy being traded for way less than value, I want the $13.5 million guy to be Moose and the other traded for crap to be Smith. If the front office was faced with this exact decision and had no option C, I'd be willing to bet they'd keep Moose and ditch Smith. There's a difference between switching Moose for another young established player that fits us long term, and taking what we can get. And you're assuming the Pistons are in a take whatever we can get position.

New Orleans matched the Phoenix offer for Eric Gordon even after he basically told them not to. This is not even nearly the same terrible situation as that. The general consensus amongst the talking heads that you're probably listening to was that there was no way the Knicks wouldn't match the Lin offer sheet. He made them too much money with marketing to not match, his presence would more than pay for the poison pill contract. The Knicks didn't match. Thinking you really know the inner workings of another team's FO is hilarious. We have capspae just like Washington does. There's NO reason to neither lose Monroe for nothing nor take crap back for him. You have all these answers to the Pistons. Apparently to you they're this clusterf**k of a team right now, all while being a mere 3.5 games behind your own beloved team. Maybe you should direct that FO knowledge to your own team.

Jeez, some of you Pistons fans sure do have your panties in a bunch. Calm down, not Dat's fault the Pistons are in the position they're in.

Now you can fantasize that you'll get some superstar in return, but its not gonna happen. You need wings and less starting caliber bigs, we have wings and need more starting caliber bigs. Given the Pistons lack of leverage due to Monroe's RFA status, paired with the JSmith contract, you may not be pleased with a trade made.

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Lack of leverage? Do you understand how Restricted Free Agency works?

Come July the Pistons will have the right to match any contract Monroe chooses to sign! That's leverage.

If Monroe doesn't sign a contract with another team Monroe will be forced to play another season in Detroit! That's leverage.

Monroe can choose to play out his current contract here and become an unrestricted free agent...but that's highly, highly unlikely considering that even mediocre big men get paid

IMO there is no chance of Monroe not being traded. Even a GM as dim as Joe Dumars knows that Restricted Free Agency is heavily slanted in his favor...


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[GeeWiz]

What serious analysis do you even expect? Let's first verify the reason you're here.
*checks thread title*
Oh yeah, its due to the (un)possibility of Monroe being added to your team. So clearly that's something you would like. So the position you're coming from is let's add this guy, give up crap in the process, AND re-sign a 23 year old double double big at $10 million a year. Why should anyone take that with anything more than a grain of salt.

You know all about the Pistons' front office plans. You know for sure they don't want to pay or match a max offer. Who have you been talking to in the FO? Just wondering. You're under the assumption that the ONLY way to clean the logjam in the front court is to trade Monroe for crap or worse, let him walk for nothing. Just wow. If we're going to have one guy making $13.5 million and another guy being traded for way less than value, I want the $13.5 million guy to be Moose and the other traded for crap to be Smith. If the front office was faced with this exact decision and had no option C, I'd be willing to bet they'd keep Moose and ditch Smith. There's a difference between switching Moose for another young established player that fits us long term, and taking what we can get. And you're assuming the Pistons are in a take whatever we can get position.

New Orleans matched the Phoenix offer for Eric Gordon even after he basically told them not to. This is not even nearly the same terrible situation as that. The general consensus amongst the talking heads that you're probably listening to was that there was no way the Knicks wouldn't match the Lin offer sheet. He made them too much money with marketing to not match, his presence would more than pay for the poison pill contract. The Knicks didn't match. Thinking you really know the inner workings of another team's FO is hilarious. We have capspae just like Washington does. There's NO reason to neither lose Monroe for nothing nor take crap back for him. You have all these answers to the Pistons. Apparently to you they're this clusterf**k of a team right now, all while being a mere 3.5 games behind your own beloved team. Maybe you should direct that FO knowledge to your own team.

Jeez, some of you Pistons fans sure do have your panties in a bunch. Calm down, not Dat's fault the Pistons are in the position they're in.

Now you can fantasize that you'll get some superstar in return, but its not gonna happen. You need wings and less starting caliber bigs, we have wings and need more starting caliber bigs. Given the Pistons lack of leverage due to Monroe's RFA status, paired with the JSmith contract, you may not be pleased with a trade made.

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Lack of leverage? Do you understand how Restricted Free Agency works?

Come July the Pistons will have the right to match any contract Monroe chooses to sign! That's leverage.

If Monroe doesn't sign a contract with another team Monroe will be forced to play another season in Detroit! That's leverage.

Monroe can choose to play out his current contract here and become an unrestricted free agent...but that's highly, highly unlikely considering that even mediocre big men get paid

IMO there is no chance of Monroe not being traded. Even a GM as dim as Joe Dumars knows that Restricted Free Agency is heavily slanted in his favor...


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I get what youre saying, but Smith KILLS you guys. Why did Joe feel the need to sign him? I just don't get it, how a gm makes that big of a mistake, and this is coming from a fan of the team ran by Ernie Grunfeld.

The lack of 'leverage' comes from Smith. You have him for the rest of his contract due to how crazy it is, meaning as long as Monroe is in town, Smith is your SF. I see a trade coming soon. And a trade between Joe and Ernie scares me, ittl be like two baboons speaking in different languages.

[ripchard32]

Beal or Wall please, preferably Beal

They won't give us either one but why in the Hell would you prefer Beal over Wall

Well we already have PG locked up with Jennings and Jennings is an overall better shooter than Wall and we still are looking for a good 2 guard and Beal has been playing well and looks promising

[Clarity]

I get what youre saying, but Smith KILLS you guys. Why did Joe feel the need to sign him? I just don't get it, how a gm makes that big of a mistake, and this is coming from a fan of the team ran by Ernie Grunfeld.

The lack of 'leverage' comes from Smith. You have him for the rest of his contract due to how crazy it is, meaning as long as Monroe is in town, Smith is your SF. I see a trade coming soon. And a trade between Joe and Ernie scares me, ittl be like two baboons speaking in different languages.

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[MotownMadness]

Beal or Wall please, preferably Beal

They won't give us either one but why in the Hell would you prefer Beal over Wall

Well we already have PG locked up with Jennings and Jennings is an overall better shooter than Wall and we still are looking for a good 2 guard and Beal has been playing well and looks promising

Wall is a pretty big upgrade from Jennings. I think Jennings sucks and hope he isn't our PG for the future.

[MrBigShot]

Jeez, I would love for you to point out where I mentioned the league only having two teams. I'll wait.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect a huge return for Monroe. A possible target would be Barnes, maybe Ariza, other threes. If I were the Wiz I'd take a chance and go Porter and Ariza plus a second rounder for Monroe and a filler, as I mentioned before. Thats from the Wizards perspective. Just because I'm not gonna sit here all day thinking of trades for all 30 teams, doesnt mean I'm implying its a two team league.

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At the end of the day, we have Monroe's bird rights. Overpaying him on a 4 year contract would be much better than not getting value back. Monroe may not be worth 25% of the cap in a vacuum, but the market determines value and he provides a very valuable skill in today's NBA: Low post scoring in the half court.

[DBC10]

They won't give us either one but why in the Hell would you prefer Beal over Wall

Well we already have PG locked up with Jennings and Jennings is an overall better shooter than Wall and we still are looking for a good 2 guard and Beal has been playing well and looks promising

Wall is a pretty big upgrade from Jennings. I think Jennings sucks and hope he isn't our PG for the future.

I hope so too. Both he and Smith are merely stop gaps, not building blocks. Since by the time Dre reaches his prime, both will likely be long gone.

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