76ers @ Pistons 730 EST

[Invictus88]

Interior Defense isn't even big problem like how some people claim it is.

Fixed.

Um, yeah... 62.5 % of the 76ers' points were scored in the paint, FYI.

Yeah, and 54 % of the 76ers's points were scored by their guards -- most on drives to the basket where our perimeter defense just lets them go by. If you add the production of the SF this becomes 69%.

If you've watched the Pistons play at all this season you'd realize that our perimeter defense outside of KCP is a sieve. Guys drive by all day hanging our interior defenders out to dry. They shift off to help and then the ball gets passed to the man left open.

[Neptune]

Good game last night, our big 3 played well. Monroe and Drummond played the interchangeable game while Smith played like a stat-stuffer. I like how Jennings stood up for Pope too.

[Invictus88]

The combination of match-up and Dre being in foul trouble early allowed him to succeed.

I had to leave to go to work when there was about 2 minutes left in the first. Monroe already had 12 points on like 4 for 4 shooting and Dre had 1 foul.

That's Monroe succeeding even with Dre on the floor. Of the 12 points, Drummond was on the bench for a grand total of 2 of Monroe's free throws.

The match up problems were real but the other part of that quote is just bias / imagination.

After the first they barely played together, we already went over this earlier in the thread.

They established that they were already successful in the first quarter. So Drummond being in foul trouble clearly wasn't one of the causes that led to Monroe having a good game.

[Invictus88]

I really don't understand the argument that the twin towers can't coexist. There's no evidence to suggest they can't and though not enough evidence to suggest they can yet, it's slowly making its case from the last few games.

Defense isn't even big problem like how some people claim it is. Neither is shooting since Smith can't shoot either (hint: he doesn't have a jumper nor a mid range game). I would love to see evidence contrary to this.

Maybe you are unaware of the Pistons' current record. Speaks volumes... to some. Can you wait until after a loss to post stuff like this... or at the very least, until we play a team that isn't purposely tanking? Thanks.

You do realize that Monroe and Drummond have played together on lineups without Smith a grand total of around 100 minutes all season right?

That's a whopping 4.5% of each game or 2.16 minutes. I wouldn't exactly say that speaks volumes.

Can you wait until you actually have factual evidence to back up that Monroe and Drummond can't coexist before you make postings like the one above? Thanks.

[need4detroit]

Drummond/Monroe + a shooting SF = butter.

[detroitKG]

Drummond/Monroe + a shooting SF = butter.

[OneBadMutha]

I really don't understand the argument that the twin towers can't coexist. There's no evidence to suggest they can't and though not enough evidence to suggest they can yet, it's slowly making its case from the last few games.

Defense isn't even big problem like how some people claim it is. Neither is shooting since Smith can't shoot either (hint: he doesn't have a jumper nor a mid range game). I would love to see evidence contrary to this.

Maybe you are unaware of the Pistons' current record. Speaks volumes... to some. Can you wait until after a loss to post stuff like this... or at the very least, until we play a team that isn't purposely tanking? Thanks.

You do realize that Monroe and Drummond have played together on lineups without Smith a grand total of around 100 minutes all season right?

That's a whopping 4.5% of each game or 2.16 minutes. I wouldn't exactly say that speaks volumes.

Can you wait until you actually have factual evidence to back up that Monroe and Drummond can't coexist before you make postings like the one above? Thanks.

We have plenty of evidence. Josh Smith has not single handedly sabotaged them. Defense is a problem. It's a big problem...especially against teams who can spread the floor.

...and I've always maintained that Monroe is talented however too reliant on matchups. Lets not forget that Phili is competing with Detroit as the worst 3 point shooting team. Monroe struggles defensively in space. He's a high IQ guy who's been in the league 3.5 seasons so I don't see where the optimism that he's going to improve cones from.

[Invictus88]

Maybe you are unaware of the Pistons' current record. Speaks volumes... to some. Can you wait until after a loss to post stuff like this... or at the very least, until we play a team that isn't purposely tanking? Thanks.

You do realize that Monroe and Drummond have played together on lineups without Smith a grand total of around 100 minutes all season right?

That's a whopping 4.5% of each game or 2.16 minutes. I wouldn't exactly say that speaks volumes.

Can you wait until you actually have factual evidence to back up that Monroe and Drummond can't coexist before you make postings like the one above? Thanks.

We have plenty of evidence. Josh Smith has not single handedly sabotaged them. Defense is a problem. It's a big problem...especially against teams who can spread the floor.

...and I've always maintained that Monroe is talented however too reliant on matchups. Lets not forget that Phili is competing with Detroit as the worst 3 point shooting team. Monroe struggles defensively in space. He's a high IQ guy who's been in the league 3.5 seasons so I don't see where the optimism that he's going to improve cones from.

So you were going to point out factual evidence right? And not just say stuff without any sort of backing? Hint: Saying things similar to "it's not Smith's fault" is not evidence.

Until you can actually show me where Monroe and Drummond have played together poorly for a lengthy period of time *without Smith* then you really don't have anything.

And I know for a fact that you can't provide that because noone has seen them play for a lengthy period of time. They did it a little last year which worked out well and for about 100 minutes this season. That's it.

[Clarity]

Monroe does so many things so good.

Like casually strolling back on defense?

You're running on fumes at this point.

[Clarity]

Drummond/Monroe + a shooting SF = butter.

Pretty much

[Clarity]

Drumroe are hilarious at the end!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XedTJXBufzk[/youtube]

Ahahaha pixie dust.

Our frontcourt is so lovable and so young...

lol word, if Joe wrecks this I wish him nothing but the worst

[Finn McCool]

Fixed.

Um, yeah... 62.5 % of the 76ers' points were scored in the paint, FYI.

Yeah, and 54 % of the 76ers's points were scored by their guards -- most on drives to the basket where our perimeter defense just lets them go by. If you add the production of the SF this becomes 69%.

If you've watched the Pistons play at all this season you'd realize that our perimeter defense outside of KCP is a sieve. Guys drive by all day hanging our interior defenders out to dry. They shift off to help and then the ball gets passed to the man left open.

I have watched the Pistons. I paid a handsome fee for NBA Ticket to watch every game. So you fancy yourself an arrogant expert? I can give you facts, but being an older guy with limited computer skills, I am afraid I cannot provide you links. You suggested that the team had 54% of their points from outside scorers who slashed into the paint unimpeded. We know the 76ers got 15 points from behind the arc and 15 from the caharity stripe.... so out of the remaining 66 points, 52 of them came from the PG and wings? Suggests the help side defense is rather lacking. That our perimeter defense actually was successful at running the 3 pt. shooters off their spot. They only allowed 23% from behind the arc. Aren't wing defenders actually coached into forcing their man off their spots and into where help defense is waiting? I guess it depends on how one is coached and what level, right? So in the end, we can conclude perimeter defense was much more outstanding than interior defense. Go ahead and spin that.

[Finn McCool]

You do realize that Monroe and Drummond have played together on lineups without Smith a grand total of around 100 minutes all season right?

That's a whopping 4.5% of each game or 2.16 minutes. I wouldn't exactly say that speaks volumes.

Can you wait until you actually have factual evidence to back up that Monroe and Drummond can't coexist before you make postings like the one above? Thanks.

We have plenty of evidence. Josh Smith has not single handedly sabotaged them. Defense is a problem. It's a big problem...especially against teams who can spread the floor.

...and I've always maintained that Monroe is talented however too reliant on matchups. Lets not forget that Phili is competing with Detroit as the worst 3 point shooting team. Monroe struggles defensively in space. He's a high IQ guy who's been in the league 3.5 seasons so I don't see where the optimism that he's going to improve cones from.

So you were going to point out factual evidence right? And not just say stuff without any sort of backing? Hint: Saying things similar to "it's not Smith's fault" is not evidence.

Until you can actually show me where Monroe and Drummond have played together poorly for a lengthy period of time *without Smith* then you really don't have anything.

And I know for a fact that you can't provide that because noone has seen them play for a lengthy period of time. They did it a little last year which worked out well and for about 100 minutes this season. That's it.

Link... or are you just throwing out some garbage stats in hopes the rest of us don't call you on it.

[DetroitSho]

We have plenty of evidence. Josh Smith has not single handedly sabotaged them. Defense is a problem. It's a big problem...especially against teams who can spread the floor.

...and I've always maintained that Monroe is talented however too reliant on matchups. Lets not forget that Phili is competing with Detroit as the worst 3 point shooting team. Monroe struggles defensively in space. He's a high IQ guy who's been in the league 3.5 seasons so I don't see where the optimism that he's going to improve cones from.

So you were going to point out factual evidence right? And not just say stuff without any sort of backing? Hint: Saying things similar to "it's not Smith's fault" is not evidence.

Until you can actually show me where Monroe and Drummond have played together poorly for a lengthy period of time *without Smith* then you really don't have anything.

And I know for a fact that you can't provide that because noone has seen them play for a lengthy period of time. They did it a little last year which worked out well and for about 100 minutes this season. That's it.

Link... or are you just throwing out some garbage stats in hopes the rest of us don't call you on it.

Very ironic that in one post you say can't provide links of evidence due to your limited computer skills, then the very next post you require a link from somebody else to provide their evidence. Not judging you, just thought it was funny.

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[Invictus88]

Um, yeah... 62.5 % of the 76ers' points were scored in the paint, FYI.

Yeah, and 54 % of the 76ers's points were scored by their guards -- most on drives to the basket where our perimeter defense just lets them go by. If you add the production of the SF this becomes 69%.

If you've watched the Pistons play at all this season you'd realize that our perimeter defense outside of KCP is a sieve. Guys drive by all day hanging our interior defenders out to dry. They shift off to help and then the ball gets passed to the man left open.

I have watched the Pistons. I paid a handsome fee for NBA Ticket to watch every game. So you fancy yourself an arrogant expert? I can give you facts, but being an older guy with limited computer skills, I am afraid I cannot provide you links. You suggested that the team had 54% of their points from outside scorers who slashed into the paint unimpeded. We know the 76ers got 15 points from behind the arc and 15 from the caharity stripe.... so out of the remaining 66 points, 52 of them came from the PG and wings? Suggests the help side defense is rather lacking. That our perimeter defense actually was successful at running the 3 pt. shooters off their spot. They only allowed 23% from behind the arc. Aren't wing defenders actually coached into forcing their man off their spots and into where help defense is waiting? I guess it depends on how one is coached and what level, right? So in the end, we can conclude perimeter defense was much more outstanding than interior defense. Go ahead and spin that.

I really don't know what you are watching at these games if you don't see people driving by Brandon Jennings like he's a street sign. And afterwards he just stands there instead of trying to cover the man left unguarded when one of the bigs shifts over to help. Smith has frequently done the same thing.

I don't know what you think about perimeter defense but at least in my book part of it is putting up some semblance of resistance to drives resulting in layups.

If you are an offense and your wings have the choice between a high percentage two point shot at close range and a lower percentage three point shot (because of pure distance), which is the more prudent course of action to take?

[Invictus88]

So you were going to point out factual evidence right? And not just say stuff without any sort of backing? Hint: Saying things similar to "it's not Smith's fault" is not evidence.

Until you can actually show me where Monroe and Drummond have played together poorly for a lengthy period of time *without Smith* then you really don't have anything.

And I know for a fact that you can't provide that because noone has seen them play for a lengthy period of time. They did it a little last year which worked out well and for about 100 minutes this season. That's it.

Link... or are you just throwing out some garbage stats in hopes the rest of us don't call you on it.

Very ironic that in one post you say can't provide links of evidence due to your limited computer skills, then the very next post you require a link from somebody else to provide their evidence. Not judging you, just thought it was funny.

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Here are instructions for those lacking computer skills:

1. Go to http://www.nba.com
2. Click on stats in the dark grey navigation bar
3. Click on teams in the dark grey navigation bar in the next page
4. Select Detroit Pistons from the drop down menu that appears
5. Click on the Lineups subheading
6. Sort by games played
7. Look for lineups that include Drummond and Monroe but not Smith
8. Sum the games played (GP) * average minutes played (MIN)

Here is a link to the page: http://stats.nba.com/teamLineups.html?TeamID=1610612765&pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&sortField=GP&sortOrder=DES

I know there is actually another page somewhere that has actually gone through the bother of doing all of the summing for you. But there it is Mr. McCool. Happy?

[Clarity]

Ooohh kill em Invictus

[Defor]

I've watched every game this year ,and Josh has had some monster games , but I thought this one was one of his best. He didn't try to score to much , because other people had it going he did the other things ,and did them pretty well.He could be so good if he could just read situations and make the right play.I think if you put him on either one of the Piston championship teams , he would have been amazing. He really needs to be on a team with a strong point guard to direct him ,a team commited to winning to back him up, and a Strong coach to make it all work. Unfortunately we have none of the above here.

[Neptune]

I've watched every game this year ,and Josh has had some monster games , but I thought this one was one of his best. He didn't try to score to much , because other people had it going he did the other things ,and did them pretty well.He could be so good if he could just read situations and make the right play.I think if you put him on either one of the Piston championship teams , he would have been amazing. He really needs to be on a team with a strong point guard to direct him ,a team commited to winning to back him up, and a Strong coach to make it all work. Unfortunately we have none of the above here.

Yeah, Smith is good. His stat-stuffing ability usually comes in handy when his offense isn't there. His off-night ended with nearly a triple double.