Pistons need to finish above .500 to have shot at 8th seed.

[sfballa13]

What if we go for the playoffs, posted this in the Josh Smith hate thread lol:

1. Trade Smith for any expiring we can get (Amare, Ben Gordon, Okafor, someone / anyone)

2a. Trade Monroe for Hayward
- Jazz arent too pleased with Kanter, Monroe would be their franchise big to pair with Burke

2b. Trade Monroe, KCP for Afflalo and Harris
- Saves Orlando 3M this year, gets them a franchise big + cheap replacement for Afflalo in KCP

3. Trade Stuckey, Charlie V, Datome, Bynum for Boozer and Taj Gibson

Line up A:
Jennings / Siva
KCP / Singler
Hayward / Dunleavy
Boozer/ Gibson
Drummond / Harrelson

Line up B:
Jennings / Siva
AA / Singler
Harris / Dunleavy
Boozer / Gibson
Drummond / Harrelson

[joseph mamah]

I still for the life of me don't understand why anyone would want the Pistons to get an 8th seed, get jail sexed in the playoffs, and lose their first round draft pick. That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

im pretty apathetic towards the draft pick vs playoffs situation, but for this season to have been worth anything at all, we either need to be bad enough the rest of the way to be a bottom 7 or 8 team, or play well enough to sneak into the playoffs. it'll be bad if we finish the season in "no mans land" not making the playoffs to at least get our young guys some experience, and also not having our pick, which is where its looking like we're headed.

but then again, sneaking into the 8th seed might be enough for Joe to keep his job, so I guess we're d***** if we do, and d***** if we don't at this point, hence the apathy.

I think we have a decent chance of tanking our way to get our pick back in this good to great draft. Not great chances, mind you, but decent enough that it might work. Since Dumars pretty much never tanked properly before, that's a precedent that probably won't be broken anyways. So we are screwed on getting the pick back on that end.

The only good thing about being stuck in no man's land is the fact that Dumars and Co will likely be ousted which should've happened long time ago. So either we have to hope we're in no man's land or we get our pick back.

I have a feeling hitting the Lotto is probably the only way we keep the pick unfortunately. I doubt Gores and co. have the patience and foresight to tank and Jokes desperate to keep his job, so he wont tank.

[joseph mamah]

Sneaking into the playoffs and getting crushed doesn't make this season worth s**t IMO. That's just like adding insult to injury because the draft pick in one of the deepest drafts in years would be lost. The draft pick is worth more than the "playoff experience" the young guys would get by getting humiliated in four games.

I want a horrible finish because I want the draft pick, I want Joe gone, and I want Mo gone. Starting over is what's best for this team IMO.

id love a horrible finish as well, but this teams played about as bad as possible up to this point and we're sitting at the 9th pick, with a GM desperate to make the playoffs and a league full of teams looking to tank. all im saying is if we're going to lose our pick anyway, it would be nice to at least make the playoffs.

on paper Indy and Miami look like an embarrassment waiting to happen, but we do play those teams tough. we aren't winning any series, but we could steal a game and play them close in a couple of others. a series against one of those two would definitely leave a bad taste in our guys mouths, which you would hope gives our young guys even more motivation to put in some work in the off-season to come back better next year.

[Neptune]

Sneaking into the playoffs and getting crushed doesn't make this season worth s**t IMO. That's just like adding insult to injury because the draft pick in one of the deepest drafts in years would be lost. The draft pick is worth more than the "playoff experience" the young guys would get by getting humiliated in four games.

I want a horrible finish because I want the draft pick, I want Joe gone, and I want Mo gone. Starting over is what's best for this team IMO.

Huh? Our young guys getting playoff experience and gaining playoff expectations is way better than taking a gamble on another draft pick. It's not even a contest.

[Manocad]

Sneaking into the playoffs and getting crushed doesn't make this season worth s**t IMO. That's just like adding insult to injury because the draft pick in one of the deepest drafts in years would be lost. The draft pick is worth more than the "playoff experience" the young guys would get by getting humiliated in four games.

I want a horrible finish because I want the draft pick, I want Joe gone, and I want Mo gone. Starting over is what's best for this team IMO.

Huh? Our young guys getting playoff experience and gaining playoff expectations is way better than taking a gamble on another draft pick. It's not even a contest.

So a top 8 draft pick is a gamble? Why doesn't every team trade away their top 8 draft picks then in order to make the playoffs?

I look at the big picture, not "get me a little something now" at the expense of the future.

[Spider156]

I think it's going to be very hard to crack the Top 8 and in my opinion will be harder to get than to get in the Playoffs. I think Dumars has waited way too long and it's really a Playoffs or bust this year. I say we lose our pick but not before we make a trade. Monroe and CV for Turner and Thad Young. Make it happen Dumars.

[Neptune]

Sneaking into the playoffs and getting crushed doesn't make this season worth s**t IMO. That's just like adding insult to injury because the draft pick in one of the deepest drafts in years would be lost. The draft pick is worth more than the "playoff experience" the young guys would get by getting humiliated in four games.

I want a horrible finish because I want the draft pick, I want Joe gone, and I want Mo gone. Starting over is what's best for this team IMO.

Huh? Our young guys getting playoff experience and gaining playoff expectations is way better than taking a gamble on another draft pick. It's not even a contest.

So a top 8 draft pick is a gamble? Why doesn't every team trade away their top 8 draft picks then in order to make the playoffs?

I look at the big picture, not "get me a little something now" at the expense of the future.

Yes. Every team that drafts a player takes a gamble. I'm simply saying that it doesn't make sense to want a horrible finish because our results could be that we a draft a bust. If we have the opportunity to make the playoffs and get our young proven guys a winning mentality and playoff expectations, why not take that every time. We just played the lotto games 4 years in a row, lets get to the playoffs now.

[Manocad]

And a top 8 pick in a deep draft can also land a stud if you have the right people evaluating talent.

IMO the Pistons are further away from being a legitimate playoff team, i.e. can truly compete at something more than an embarrassing level in the playoffs, than they are from being a bottom 8 team in the league. They need to go a LONG way before their considered capable of making noise in the playoffs, and they're a few games away from falling to the bottom 8.

Go the route you're suggesting and theyre at high risk of hitting the worst case scenario--don't make the playoffs AND lose the draft pick.

[Neptune]

IMO the Pistons are further away from being a legitimate playoff team, i.e. can truly compete at something more than an embarrassing level in the playoffs, than they are from being a bottom 8 team in the league. They need to go a LONG way before their considered capable of making noise in the playoffs, and they're a few games away from falling to the bottom 8..

After watching the Piston/Magic game, I'm starting to see where you're coming from.

[DBC10]

Seriously, with the way we're having such a roller coaster of a season on effort, efficiency, and discipline, we don't deserve to make the playoffs and be completely embarrassed. Do people not remember what happened to Milwaukee last year?

For god's sake, the EC is one of the worst in history and if we can barely scrape wins with our "improved" and "expensive" roster, then it's a huge failure and embarrassment.

EDIT: I forgot to add on the above sentence. It would be a ****ing travesty if we made the playoffs. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[Manocad]

IMO the Pistons are further away from being a legitimate playoff team, i.e. can truly compete at something more than an embarrassing level in the playoffs, than they are from being a bottom 8 team in the league. They need to go a LONG way before their considered capable of making noise in the playoffs, and they're a few games away from falling to the bottom 8..

After watching the Piston/Magic game, I'm starting to see where you're coming from.

See what I mean? They're 5-10 in their last 15 games. If they maintain that pace, and there's not much to suggest they won't, they'll be bottom 8.

[BadMofoPimp]

I was at that Magic/Pistons game 12th row center court. Pistons just looked horrible out there across the board. Just bad team chemistry especially on defense.