3/5 - 7:30pm -Chicago V Detroit - One for the tankers...

[imagump1313]

Dude, its been 10 years lol

No college and honestly, he has had 10 years of horrible pro coaches. The guy has never been taught to play the game properly. The right person could get a lot out of him.

Stan Van Gundy could win 50+ games with this roster IMO... and Smith would be an all-star.

Are we ever going to stop blaming the coaches for our problems?

Sure, when we get a good one.....

[MrBigShot]

The coaches need to hold players accountable. There is very little accountability on this team right now. I blame the FO for not being able to make a hire a good coach honestly. We need to hire someone and stick with them....Cheeks was not a good hire, but he wasn't given a legitimate opportunity anyway considering the lack of team chemistry because of all the new pieces.

[DetroitSho]

C'mon neptune. You can't still honestly like Smith on this team.
His shooting numbers aren't the only reason he sucks. He is lazy on D, he can't pass out of double teams, he takes horrible shots, he has a very sloppy post game and sloppy handles.

I like our team, I'm surprised others don't like Smith. Good coaching could cure some of Smith's habits(shot selection).

Hint- only one of those examples I gave is a game where he played defense in.

He was very good on d last night for the most part, as a whole hes been a below average defender this year.

He has been consistently bad on offense though.

Offensively Smith has struggled, but we should have expected a change in efficiency since he's playing more time at the 3. When Smith goes to the basket or when he's right outside the paint he's money. Defensively he's held his own, especially on star players. Melo was the only one who seemed unstoppable(he's always unstoppable).

This is so Blaha-ish.

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[MotownMadness]

The coaches need to hold players accountable. There is very little accountability on this team right now. I blame the FO for not being able to make a hire a good coach honestly. We need to hire someone and stick with them....Cheeks was not a good hire, but he wasn't given a legitimate opportunity anyway considering the lack of team chemistry because of all the new pieces.

I know what you mean that Cheeks wasnt givin enough time in a sense. But Im more then happy we fired him. He was terrible and im glad we acted on it quick instead of keeping him around just because.

[Clarity]

I like our team, I'm surprised others don't like Smith. Good coaching could cure some of Smith's habits(shot selection).

Dude, its been 10 years lol

No college and honestly, he has had 10 years of horrible pro coaches. The guy has never been taught to play the game properly. The right person could get a lot out of him.

Stan Van Gundy could win 50+ games with this roster IMO... and Smith would be an all-star.

There's absolutely no way I can even begin to wrap my hands around this.

No way, No How.

Are we ever going to stop blaming the coaches for our problems?

Coaches have been blamed for Josh being this way for 10 years. Those with any type of brain/eyes know better.

It's been 10 damn years lol

[imagump1313]

Dude, its been 10 years lol

No college and honestly, he has had 10 years of horrible pro coaches. The guy has never been taught to play the game properly. The right person could get a lot out of him.

Stan Van Gundy could win 50+ games with this roster IMO... and Smith would be an all-star.

There's absolutely no way I can even begin to wrap my hands around this.

No way, No How.

Are we ever going to stop blaming the coaches for our problems?

Coaches have been blamed for Josh being this way for 10 years. Those with any type of brain/eyes know better.

It's been 10 damn years lol

I know it's pretty much a hopeless discussion with you but:

College - none
Mike Woodson
Larry Drew
Maurice Cheeks
John Loyer

This is Smith's history of coaches. All of them are roll the ball out coaches who have histories of not making adjustments or having anyone who played for them improve. Is there any wonder why the guy is pushing 30 and his basketball IQ is equivalent to that of an 18 year old college player? Give him a decent coach that can communicate with him and he would improve dramatically IMO.

That coaching list is pathetic and I feel sorry for any player who was trapped with these guys for most of their career. The sad thing is Drummond has witnessed half that list already. (and don't even try the "well Drummond has improved" argument) Drummond has the advantage of going to college and being mentored by Jim Calhoun. He also has an entire school of current and former players and coaches to help guide him and give him advice in Uconn. Smith has none of that.

[MrBigShot]

The coaches need to hold players accountable. There is very little accountability on this team right now. I blame the FO for not being able to make a hire a good coach honestly. We need to hire someone and stick with them....Cheeks was not a good hire, but he wasn't given a legitimate opportunity anyway considering the lack of team chemistry because of all the new pieces.

I know what you mean that Cheeks wasnt givin enough time in a sense. But Im more then happy we fired him. He was terrible and im glad we acted on it quick instead of keeping him around just because.

I don't think Cheeks was very good either. But the issue is that when we continually fire coach after coach...it alienates potential hires in the future. Despite that, Lionel Hollins has still said he's interested...only god knows why we haven't called him up yet.

[HeroicKennedy]

The coaches need to hold players accountable. There is very little accountability on this team right now. I blame the FO for not being able to make a hire a good coach honestly. We need to hire someone and stick with them....Cheeks was not a good hire, but he wasn't given a legitimate opportunity anyway considering the lack of team chemistry because of all the new pieces.

I know what you mean that Cheeks wasnt givin enough time in a sense. But Im more then happy we fired him. He was terrible and im glad we acted on it quick instead of keeping him around just because.

I don't think Cheeks was very good either. But the issue is that when we continually fire coach after coach...it alienates potential hires in the future. Despite that, Lionel Hollins has still said he's interested...only god knows why we haven't called him up yet.

Cause it doesn't matter who we hire, we have an incredibly poorly assembled roster.

Seriously, stop blaming the coaches. This was not a 50 win team waiting to happen. This team was going to max out at 37-40 wins under ANY coach. Get Phil Jackson out of retirement and that's how much he squeezes out of the team. Reanimate Chuck Daly and he'll go "Joe, what the hell have you assembled?"

[DBC10]

I know what you mean that Cheeks wasnt givin enough time in a sense. But Im more then happy we fired him. He was terrible and im glad we acted on it quick instead of keeping him around just because.

I don't think Cheeks was very good either. But the issue is that when we continually fire coach after coach...it alienates potential hires in the future. Despite that, Lionel Hollins has still said he's interested...only god knows why we haven't called him up yet.

Cause it doesn't matter who we hire, we have an incredibly poorly assembled roster.

Seriously, stop blaming the coaches. This was not a 50 win team waiting to happen. This team was going to max out at 37-40 wins under ANY coach. Get Phil Jackson out of retirement and that's how much he squeezes out of the team. Reanimate Chuck Daly and he'll go "Joe, what the hell have you assembled?"

Agreed. Only a miracle would make this team have more than 40+ wins with this roster.

Funny thing is, I think nearly every team and pundits out there saw this coming when Smith and Jennings were signed. They literally said, "This team will either be really good or really terrible."

And we got the awful side of the coin. There wasn't going to be a middle ground with this roster.

[Clarity]

I know it's pretty much a hopeless discussion with you but:

College - none
Mike Woodson
Larry Drew
Maurice Cheeks
John Loyer

This is Smith's history of coaches. All of them are roll the ball out coaches who have histories of not making adjustments or having anyone who played for them improve. Is there any wonder why the guy is pushing 30 and his basketball IQ is equivalent to that of an 18 year old college player? Give him a decent coach that can communicate with him and he would improve dramatically IMO.

That coaching list is pathetic and I feel sorry for any player who was trapped with these guys for most of their career. The sad thing is Drummond has witnessed half that list already. (and don't even try the "well Drummond has improved" argument) Drummond has the advantage of going to college and being mentored by Jim Calhoun. He also has an entire school of current and former players and coaches to help guide him and give him advice in Uconn. Smith has none of that.

Fair enough, like I said, I just struggle to see anyway Smith is dramatically better with any coach.

[imagump1313]

I know it's pretty much a hopeless discussion with you but:

College - none
Mike Woodson
Larry Drew
Maurice Cheeks
John Loyer

This is Smith's history of coaches. All of them are roll the ball out coaches who have histories of not making adjustments or having anyone who played for them improve. Is there any wonder why the guy is pushing 30 and his basketball IQ is equivalent to that of an 18 year old college player? Give him a decent coach that can communicate with him and he would improve dramatically IMO.

That coaching list is pathetic and I feel sorry for any player who was trapped with these guys for most of their career. The sad thing is Drummond has witnessed half that list already. (and don't even try the "well Drummond has improved" argument) Drummond has the advantage of going to college and being mentored by Jim Calhoun. He also has an entire school of current and former players and coaches to help guide him and give him advice in Uconn. Smith has none of that.

Fair enough, like I said, I just struggle to see anyway Smith is dramatically better with any coach.

I'll tell you what. If we get a decent coach in here next year (seems hopeless) and Smith is still doing the same crap, I'll be 100% on board with you. I'm just curious to see what a real coach could do with him instead of these clowns.

[joseph mamah]

You cant fix stupid.

[Phenomenonsense]

I don't know man. You tell me that Thibs doesn't make a **** team play like I'm playing them on 2k, and I just have to disagree. A good coach will do that for a team. Hinrich/Snell/Butler/Boozer/Noah isn't that great, but you put them under a good coach and they'll be a tough playoff team.

[RSCD3_]

I don't know man. You tell me that Thibs doesn't make a **** team play like I'm playing them on 2k, and I just have to disagree. A good coach will do that for a team. Hinrich/Snell/Butler/Boozer/Noah isn't that great, but you put them under a good coach and they'll be a tough playoff team.

Under cheeks chicago would be 22-40

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[Clarity]

I'll tell you what. If we get a decent coach in here next year (seems hopeless) and Smith is still doing the same crap, I'll be 100% on board with you. I'm just curious to see what a real coach could do with him instead of these clowns.

Fair enough man.

You cant fix stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well.

& this dude Josh has been the dictionary definition for a long long long time.

[Clarity]

Funny thing is, I think nearly every team and pundits out there saw this coming when Smith and Jennings were signed. They literally said, "This team will either be really good or really terrible."

And we got the awful side of the coin. There wasn't going to be a middle ground with this roster.

The analysts that said this could go really well were so confusing.

This whole Jennings/Josh thing wasnt hard to predict, I basically called this word for word last June & i'm not a rocket scientist or anything. I just had seen plenty of Josh & Jennings over the past few years.