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[DCintheD]

^^^ this is why I hope he steps down before the reunion so trash fans don't boo him when he's introduced

[pistons773]

I agree with the Joe D appreciation. We have zero championships without him.

I'm finally ok with moving on from Joe Dumars but I have all the respect in the world for him. I just wish the last few years had gone differently. I'm still hoping if Phil says no, he tells Gores we need an ivy league stats geek/business mind. I have mixed feelings about Phil being our GM. I'm a little mistrustful of his intentions.

[Warspite]

I agree with the Joe D appreciation. We have zero championships without him.

I'm finally ok with moving on from Joe Dumars but I have all the respect in the world for him. I just wish the last few years had gone differently. I'm still hoping if Phil says no, he tells Gores we need an ivy league stats geek/business mind. I have mixed feelings about Phil being our GM. I'm a little mistrustful of his intentions.

What is this love affair with stat geeks who know nothing about the game? They have done nothing in the NBA. No Championships, No ECF, no 2nd rd, no playoff wins. Presti is a horrible GM who has had 10 lottery picks in 6 yrs. He trades away Harden for nothing, Keeps Durant and Westbrook but the other 7 guys are no longer even in the NBA.

[pistons773]

I never said 'no knowledge of the game' and I'd definitely prefer a Brad Ausmus (Tigers) type of hire (league experience, places weight on advanced stats and not just 'eye tests'). In the absence of that, I would prefer someone who favors more data and less 'star power' based decisions. I think Josh Smith is the perfect example of a failure to look at advanced stats.

[kurtis48239]

Lets all just hope whoever takes over as GM isnt any worse than dumars.Phil jackson plz.

That's a Tom Gores type answer right there.

"let's get rid of a guy who we hired with little to no experience and GM, and hire another guy with zero GM experience!"

You're just buying onto a name. Have you learned anything? Excellence in one area of the game does not necessarily translate to others. Dumars was a fantastic player, terrible GM. What makes you believe Jackson's great coaching acumen will translate to recruitment, scouting, drafting and budgeting player contracts? It's a completely different game. While I would assume Jackson could be a fantastic recruiter, but I wouldn't guarantee much after that.

Are you serious ? the guy is married to jennie buss who iam sure hes learned a great deal of the front office business from not to mention jim buss when alive.His name alone will guarantee to pull a good quality coach plus players here.The guy is one of few people who really understand the game.He has dealt with (with great success) some of the greatest players of all time.

[sfballa13]

Joe Dumars gave us three championships there is no doubting that. However he has driven this team into the ground while destroying the reputation of our franchise to NBA coaches and players.

We dont owe him nothing and if we are real fans should actually boo this piece of crap at the Bad Boys game. That doesnt mean we are trash fans it means we have pride as a fan base and are actually sick and tired of losing and being the joke of the league.

I dont understand the loyalty to Dumars at all on these forums. This year has been one of the worst years as a Pistons' fan since the Teal era.

[ImHeisenberg]

Are you serious ? the guy is married to jennie buss who iam sure hes learned a great deal of the front office business from not to mention jim buss when alive.His name alone will guarantee to pull a good quality coach plus players here.The guy is one of few people who really understand the game.He has dealt with (with great success) some of the greatest players of all time.

He's engaged to Jeanie Buss (not Jennie), and she handles the business end of the Lakers operations, such as merchandising and promotions. She does not handle the player personnel.

Additionally, being engaged/married to a part-owner of the Lakers would immediately question whether there will be a conflict of interest there. Especially as once they wed, Phil is essentially a part-owner of the Lakers once their assets merge.

Why would you want a Lakers owner running the Pistons? People haven't brought this point up at all.

[kurtis48239]

Are you serious ? the guy is married to jennie buss who iam sure hes learned a great deal of the front office business from not to mention jim buss when alive.His name alone will guarantee to pull a good quality coach plus players here.The guy is one of few people who really understand the game.He has dealt with (with great success) some of the greatest players of all time.

He's engaged to Jeanie Buss (not Jennie), and she handles the business end of the Lakers operations, such as merchandising and promotions. She does not handle the player personnel.

Additionally, being engaged/married to a part-owner of the Lakers would immediately question whether there will be a conflict of interest there. Especially as once they wed, Phil is essentially a part-owner of the Lakers once their assets merge.

Why would you want a Lakers owner running the Pistons? People haven't brought this point up at all.

They have been together so long and are engaged they might as well already be married,and I really dont see a conflict of interest,he had a big falling out with the buss family.I really dont think he would take a roll of GM to sabotage another team for the lakers ,and I doubt he would tarnish his reputation around the league.I pretty sure he wants to succeed in being a GM as much as he was a coach.

[ImHeisenberg]

Are you serious ? the guy is married to jennie buss who iam sure hes learned a great deal of the front office business from not to mention jim buss when alive.His name alone will guarantee to pull a good quality coach plus players here.The guy is one of few people who really understand the game.He has dealt with (with great success) some of the greatest players of all time.

He's engaged to Jeanie Buss (not Jennie), and she handles the business end of the Lakers operations, such as merchandising and promotions. She does not handle the player personnel.

Additionally, being engaged/married to a part-owner of the Lakers would immediately question whether there will be a conflict of interest there. Especially as once they wed, Phil is essentially a part-owner of the Lakers once their assets merge.

Why would you want a Lakers owner running the Pistons? People haven't brought this point up at all.

They have been together so long and are engaged they might as well already be married,and I really dont see a conflict of interest,he had a big falling out with the buss family.I really dont think he would take a roll of GM to sabotage another team for the lakers ,and I doubt he would tarnish his reputation around the league.I pretty sure he wants to succeed in being a GM as much as he was a coach.

When you're battling facts and general business approaches with an unfounded biased opinion, I think you've lost your footing here, Kurtis.

[kurtis48239]

He's engaged to Jeanie Buss (not Jennie), and she handles the business end of the Lakers operations, such as merchandising and promotions. She does not handle the player personnel.

Additionally, being engaged/married to a part-owner of the Lakers would immediately question whether there will be a conflict of interest there. Especially as once they wed, Phil is essentially a part-owner of the Lakers once their assets merge.

Why would you want a Lakers owner running the Pistons? People haven't brought this point up at all.

They have been together so long and are engaged they might as well already be married,and I really dont see a conflict of interest,he had a big falling out with the buss family.I really dont think he would take a roll of GM to sabotage another team for the lakers ,and I doubt he would tarnish his reputation around the league.I pretty sure he wants to succeed in being a GM as much as he was a coach.

When you're battling facts and general business approaches with an unfounded biased opinion, I think you've lost your footing here, Kurtis.

In the name of Doctor Evil "Righttttttt"

[Clarity]

Lets all just hope whoever takes over as GM isnt any worse than dumars.Phil jackson plz.

That's a Tom Gores type answer right there.

"let's get rid of a guy who we hired with little to no experience and GM, and hire another guy with zero GM experience!"

You're just buying onto a name. Have you learned anything? Excellence in one area of the game does not necessarily translate to others. Dumars was a fantastic player, terrible GM. What makes you believe Jackson's great coaching acumen will translate to recruitment, scouting, drafting and budgeting player contracts? It's a completely different game. While I would assume Jackson could be a fantastic recruiter, but I wouldn't guarantee much after that.

amen, PJ would be an awful hire.

[kurtis48239]

Lets all just hope whoever takes over as GM isnt any worse than dumars.Phil jackson plz.

That's a Tom Gores type answer right there.

"let's get rid of a guy who we hired with little to no experience and GM, and hire another guy with zero GM experience!"

You're just buying onto a name. Have you learned anything? Excellence in one area of the game does not necessarily translate to others. Dumars was a fantastic player, terrible GM. What makes you believe Jackson's great coaching acumen will translate to recruitment, scouting, drafting and budgeting player contracts? It's a completely different game. While I would assume Jackson could be a fantastic recruiter, but I wouldn't guarantee much after that.

amen, PJ would be an awful hire.

Berg you say I buying onto a name and thats pretty much why I want him as a Gm,but what makes you think he wont be good,what leads you to believe he would be a bad GM.


Clarity,why would phil be an awful GM ?

[jakebernat]

give me an analytics geek with a basketball background who will build the team around dre.

[Clarity]

Clarity,why would phil be an awful GM ?

The brutal honesty on Phil is hes a great talent manager (arguably the greatest ever) with a creative system that worked with mega stars.

He was an awful coach who made no adjustments in the rare years when he didnt have insane talent.

I want a proven talent eye with GM experience not a coach who won a gang of rings with Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant & Shaquille O Neal.

[MrBigShot]

I wouldn't go that far. He did make the playoffs in the West with a team that included Smush Parker and Kwame Brown starting. John Kuester was an awful coach. Phil has never been an "awful" coach at any point in his career. I do agree that he was very fortunate to have MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq though. But they in turn were very fortunate to have had him coach them as well.

[ImHeisenberg]

Berg you say I buying onto a name and thats pretty much why I want him as a Gm,but what makes you think he wont be good,what leads you to believe he would be a bad GM.


Clarity,why would phil be an awful GM ?

Because he has zero experience putting a team together, having long term goals for a franchise. His job in the NBA was to get the most wins he could with the roster he had that season, every season.

He may have an eye for talent, but that doesn't necessarily translate to team building, or having a vision.

[Clarity]

I wouldn't go that far. He did make the playoffs in the West with a team that included Smush Parker and Kwame Brown starting. John Kuester was an awful coach. Phil has never been an "awful" coach at any point in his career. I do agree that he was very fortunate to have MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq though. But they in turn were very fortunate to have had him coach them as well.

That was 1 year & they were barely over .500 & bounced pretty quickly from the playoffs.

Like I said Phil is probably the greatest talent manager ever & talent management is a huge aspect of coaching but as far as bball mind, he's not near the greatest of all time IMO as some say. I compare him to a bball mind like Larry Brown & its not even close. Just my opinion though.

Rings don't dictate everything in my world.

[MrBigShot]

I wouldn't go that far. He did make the playoffs in the West with a team that included Smush Parker and Kwame Brown starting. John Kuester was an awful coach. Phil has never been an "awful" coach at any point in his career. I do agree that he was very fortunate to have MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq though. But they in turn were very fortunate to have had him coach them as well.

That was 1 year & they were barely over .500 & bounced pretty quickly from the playoffs.

Like I said Phil is probably the greatest talent manager ever & talent management is a huge aspect of coaching but as far as bball mind, he's not near the greatest of all time IMO as some say. I compare him to a bball mind like Larry Brown & its not even close. Just my opinion though.

Rings don't dictate everything in my world.

They finished 45-37. That's terrific given their roster. I still don't think he was an awful coach at any point, but I will agree that he's not the greatest basketball mind ever.

[ComboGuardCity]

Anything is an upgrade at this point

[Clarity]

I wouldn't go that far. He did make the playoffs in the West with a team that included Smush Parker and Kwame Brown starting. John Kuester was an awful coach. Phil has never been an "awful" coach at any point in his career. I do agree that he was very fortunate to have MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq though. But they in turn were very fortunate to have had him coach them as well.

That was 1 year & they were barely over .500 & bounced pretty quickly from the playoffs.

Like I said Phil is probably the greatest talent manager ever & talent management is a huge aspect of coaching but as far as bball mind, he's not near the greatest of all time IMO as some say. I compare him to a bball mind like Larry Brown & its not even close. Just my opinion though.

Rings don't dictate everything in my world.

They finished 45-37. That's terrific given their roster. I still don't think he was an awful coach at any point, but I will agree that he's not the greatest basketball mind ever.

"Awful" is probably not the best word to use.

Were on the same page.