what about trading down in the draft?

[Notanoob]

I can see us drafting embiid (if we win the lottery) and trading monroe for a good 2 or 3 but why would we want randle or vonleh

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Well, Vonleh can shoot, so if we think that we can move both Monroe and Smith for some value, then we potentially have that young stretch big who would be a perfect fit next to Drummond.

[The Penguin]

It's tricky because I see a drop off after seven.

Jabari Parker 6-8 235 SF Duke Fr.
Joel Embiid 7-0 250 C Kansas Fr.
Andrew Wiggins 6-8 200 SF Kansas Fr.
Marcus Smart 6-4 220 PG Oklahoma State So.
Dante Exum 6-6 188 PG/SG Australia Intl.
Noah Vonleh 6-10 240 PF Indiana Fr.
Julius Randle 6-9 250 PF Kentucky Fr.

If one of those guys is there I probably don't do it.

Never underestimate a perennial lotto teams ability to do something dumb.

[Sheeeeed]

The thing is though theres not going to be a whole lot minutes up grabs for the rookies if this team reminds close to the same now as it is now even with Stuckey and CV probably gone. Sure Harris might get a decent amount of minutes, but they might not be a whole lot minutes for a Anderson or McDaniels.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lnlcc3x
If we pull this trade off, we'll have plenty of room in the rotation.
Jennings/Bynum
Caldwell-Pope
Dudley/Singler/Datome
Monroe/Ilyasova/Jerebko/Mitchell
Drummond/Harrleson
That's 12 guys with 4 draft picks. Stash a guy overseas or try to get rid of Jerebko/Datome.
Draft:
14 Gary Harris/Anderson
17 Kyle Anderson/McDaniels
29 Mitch McGary/Jordan Adams
38 Delon Wright

All you're really doing here creating spots for garbage roles. Plus coaches rarely trust rookies, unless they have to play them. They're not going to get a lot of minutes unless the new GM tears it down in the process.

[ComboGuardCity]

These drop offs are so arbitrary. The line is always drawn where we land on this board.

[Damon_3388]

Jones isn't anything special.

Nah he's just a versatile, efficient power forward who is still just 22 years old and perfectly compliments an inside big man like Dwight Howard (or Andre Drummond).

I didn't realize we're talking about Kevin Love here.

I'm sorry, where was I making Jones out to be a superstar?

Or are you one of those people that assumes that if they're not a superstar, they must be garbage?

[Laimbeer]

It's tricky because I see a drop off after seven.

Jabari Parker 6-8 235 SF Duke Fr.
Joel Embiid 7-0 250 C Kansas Fr.
Andrew Wiggins 6-8 200 SF Kansas Fr.
Marcus Smart 6-4 220 PG Oklahoma State So.
Dante Exum 6-6 188 PG/SG Australia Intl.
Noah Vonleh 6-10 240 PF Indiana Fr.
Julius Randle 6-9 250 PF Kentucky Fr.

If one of those guys is there I probably don't do it.

Never underestimate a perennial lotto teams ability to do something dumb.

Agree. One of those guys would probably be here. There always seems to be choice out of nowhere.

[Clarity]

That would be a near-dream scenario, Clarity. I'm sure Joe is gone, and there's a good chance Monroe is retained.

But a top 3 pick? That may be asking for too much.

I know, I know...

Hey, ill take what I can get, Joe being bounced & Monroe being retained will work for now.

[E-Z]

Detroit's probably better off trading the pick if it helps to undo their current situation, not just to add another young guy.

[Sheeeeed]

Nah he's just a versatile, efficient power forward who is still just 22 years old and perfectly compliments an inside big man like Dwight Howard (or Andre Drummond).

I didn't realize we're talking about Kevin Love here.

I'm sorry, where was I making Jones out to be a superstar?

Or are you one of those people that assumes that if they're not a superstar, they must be garbage?

No, I didn't think you're trying to make Jones out to be a superstar. Its your whole assertion that hes the perfect compliment for inside guys like Howard or Drummond when theres a lot wrong with him offensively like the lack of post game, or mid range game. The only reason I can think you think hes the perfect compliment is because he shoots 3s, and he doesn't even do that efficiently. Kevin Love compliment for those guys, not Terrence Jones.

Theres a huge different between saying someones not special. and garbage. Anthony Bennett is garbage.

[ImHeisenberg]

Detroit's probably better off trading the pick if it helps to undo their current situation, not just to add another young guy.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not. That's exactly what the Ben Gordon trade was!

[Spider156]

If a player doesn't drop to us, I think trading the pick or maybe coupling it with another player to get something is a good idea. It gives you more flexibility. You could even trade the pick for two more picks.

I'm really hoping we win the Lottery and get a Top 3 pick. It's very possible!

[E-Z]

Detroit's probably better off trading the pick if it helps to undo their current situation, not just to add another young guy.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not. That's exactly what the Ben Gordon trade was!

The trade wasn't bad. The signing of Josh Smith made the trade look bad. The Pistons' performance this season made the trade seem even more horrendous.

That trade shouldn't have occurred in the first place, but it did. Now, Detroit should consider repeating the trade and not repeating the questionable signings.

[coolness]

It will be hard to get the 8th pick. Better chance of Cleveland pushing us back to 9th than of jumping Sacramento into the 7th spot. And a solid chance that the Draft Lottery pushes us back to 9th.

The talent drops off before the 8th pick and drops off less immediately afterwards.

If we get the 8th pick, I think we just get who we can get. Minny regrets trading Trey Burke for Shamu and G.Dieng. If a team wants us to draft N.Vonleh for them at 8th, will they arrange for us to get Kyle Anderson AND Nik Stauskus? Doubtfully. Maybe one of them and some scrub though. Staying put is the safest plan.

If we luck into a top-3 pick (and Embiid and Parker are still in it with Wiggins,) then trading for 3 or 4 role players has merit. Can a team really arrange for us to get Vonleh, Stauskas, Anderson AND Ennis for one of those blue-chip guys in the top-3 and our 2nd? Doubtfully.

THAT is an interesting idea though. We could even pick at 8th and wish that Charlotte did get the pick after seeing him play next year. Another time and way of saying how much Dumars/Gores' plan sucked. Because that could leave us rooting for a lotto team to win and then praying we get a top-1 pick

[Pharaoh]

IF we got to pick at 8 I'd send it to Charlotte to pay off the trade OR package it with Jennings or Smith to send them packing.

I'd rather pay Stuckey $6 mil per AND start him at PG than roll with Jennings...and I think everyone knows I want Stuckey outta here regardless of price

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[Damon_3388]

I didn't realize we're talking about Kevin Love here.

I'm sorry, where was I making Jones out to be a superstar?

Or are you one of those people that assumes that if they're not a superstar, they must be garbage?

No, I didn't think you're trying to make Jones out to be a superstar. Its your whole assertion that hes the perfect compliment for inside guys like Howard or Drummond when theres a lot wrong with him offensively like the lack of post game, or mid range game. The only reason I can think you think hes the perfect compliment is because he shoots 3s, and he doesn't even do that efficiently. Kevin Love compliment for those guys, not Terrence Jones.

Theres a huge different between saying someones not special. and garbage. Anthony Bennett is garbage.

I was thinking Jones is the perfect compliment because he's not a defensive or rebounding liability, can handle the ball, and his offensive style doesn't interfere with a post-based bigman. He provides a point of difference that doesn't detract from his fellow big man's strengths. Also, he's 22. Plenty of time to work on his faults.

Kevin Love would also take a heap of touches away from a Howard or Drummond type too.

[Sheeeeed]

I was thinking Jones is the perfect compliment because he's not a defensive or rebounding liability, can handle the ball, and his offensive style doesn't interfere with a post-based bigman.

I don't know about him not being a defensive liability. His post defense leaves a lot to be desired, still plays soft, and he gets abused by taller players.

He provides a point of difference that doesn't detract from his fellow big man's strengths. Also, he's 22. Plenty of time to work on his faults.

Kevin Love would also take a heap of touches away from a Howard or Drummond type too.

You could say that about all the 22 year olds in the league, and a majority of them will probably never fix their faults in the way you'd like them to.

Theres no way you pair up Love with Howard, and expect him to get the same amount of touches he gets with the T-Wolves.