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[Neptune]

Gores is such a #?#@%#@ moron.

http://m.freep.com/Sports/article?a=2014303230130&f=1233

This owner is beyond idiotic. He think this team has positively responded with Loyer as our coach. None of the Piston players respect Loyer, especially Jennings. We we're noticeable more competitive with Cheeks as our coach. I wouldn't be surprised if our players responded negatively if Dumars is fired. I'll say it again, people are making a huge mistake by rooting for Dumars resignation. We have other problems that need to be addressed.

Gores still doesn't understand that this team needs a defensive minded coach and a starting caliber 2-guard who can also play some 1. Gores also needs to stop making ridiculous expectations that aren't realistic. You can't expect to put two new players on a very young roster and scream playoffs. It's not that easy Mr. Gores.

[DonVitoReturns]

Gores is such a #?#@%#@ moron.

http://m.freep.com/Sports/article?a=2014303230130&f=1233

This owner is beyond idiotic. He think this team has positively responded with Loyer as our coach. None of the Piston players respect Loyer, especially Jennings. We we're noticeable more competitive with Cheeks as our coach. I wouldn't be surprised if our players responded negatively if Dumars is fired. I'll say it again, people are making a huge mistake by rooting for Dumars resignation. We have other problems that need to be addressed.

This team needs a defensive minded coach and a starting caliber 2-guard who can also play some 1. It's not that hard Mr. Gores.

I hear what you are saying about Dumars potentially not being the main problem. However, if the main problem is the owner...well that's not going to change. We can't root for a change in ownership (well you can, but good luck with that).

So the only thing that really can change is the GM. Dumars cooked his goose when he traded for Jennings. That was the final nail in the coffin, and the one where I could no longer back him. Was Gores and his mandate behind it? Who knows.

Dumars may not be the main problem, but he's the biggest one that can be changed...and after bringing in Jennings, he must now go. He might have survived Smith, but Jennings was the end.

And I'm not predicting anything will improve by Dumars leaving...I think they will get worse. Immediately. And they may NEVER be very good with Gores. Who knows. But this must happen now...Dumars must go, so that everything else can play itself out.

For better, or for worse.

Gores won't be able to hide behnind Dumars any longer. We'll find out soon enough if Gores is as nuts as he seems to be in the world of the NBA.

[Notanoob]

I never understood the infatuation with keeping the draft pick anyway. The draft has been downgraded a lot in the last 6 months and it's already been stated in another thread that only the top 6-7 picks could be impact players. Don't get me wrong, I'll be glad they keep the pick but I don't think it's going to turn them into the instant winner that everyone else seems to think it will. We haven't had a decent coach since Larry Brown. If proper coaching isn't brought in, its not going to matter who gets drafted.

That Gores interview is typical of a guy who doesn't have a clue about the game or league. In one sentence he says the players were not in a position to grow under Cheeks. In the next sentence he says Loyer, who is running the exact same system Cheeks was, is doing a great job.

Just because Parker isn't the next Carmelo, Wiggins isn't the next TMac and Gordon isn't the next Griffin doesn't mean that good players cannot be acquired in this draft. I personally like a couple of players outside of the top guys and think that they'll be rotation players or useful pieces. The hope is that next year we'll be better and won't be giving up as good of a pick, due to having better manegment/coaching. I emphasize HOPE. Can't count on it, especially with what we're hearing from Gores. Really, we aren't going to get better by giving up the pick, so why not tank to keep it?

[Neptune]

Gores is such a #?#@%#@ moron.

http://m.freep.com/Sports/article?a=2014303230130&f=1233

This owner is beyond idiotic. He think this team has positively responded with Loyer as our coach. None of the Piston players respect Loyer, especially Jennings. We we're noticeable more competitive with Cheeks as our coach. I wouldn't be surprised if our players responded negatively if Dumars is fired. I'll say it again, people are making a huge mistake by rooting for Dumars resignation. We have other problems that need to be addressed.

This team needs a defensive minded coach and a starting caliber 2-guard who can also play some 1. It's not that hard Mr. Gores.

I hear what you are saying about Dumars potentially not being the main problem. However, if the main problem is the owner...well that's not going to change. We can't root for a change in ownership (well you can, but good luck with that).

So the only thing that really can change is the GM. Dumars cooked his goose when he traded for Jennings. That was the final nail in the coffin, and the one where I could no longer back him. Was Gores and his mandate behind it? Who knows.

Dumars may not be the main problem, but he's the biggest one that can be changed...and after bringing in Jennings, he must now go. He might have survived Smith, but Jennings was the end.

And I'm not predicting anything will improve by Dumars leaving...I think they will get worse. Immediately. And they may NEVER be very good with Gores. Who knows. But this must happen now...Dumars must go, so that everything else can play itself out.

For better, or for worse.

Gores won't be able to hide behnind Dumars any longer. We'll find out soon enough if Gores is as nuts as he seems to be in the world of the NBA.

That's so true. So you know what, I'm with you. I want Dumars to leave so Gores can be exposed. This dude seems like a guy who has money and thinks he knows more than the average guy. Money doesn't make you intelligent, you can tell by the way Gores talks during the interview. He can't even properly communicate his idea's while speaking. I'm not trying to sound like a hater, but we have a rough future ahead if Gores doesn't get it his expectations and patience together.

[MrBigShot]

Q: Has the team responded the way you hoped it would to the move? (The Pistons are 4-15 since the firing).

Gores: "The team is better than their record. They just are. They're better than their record so I wouldn't say they didn't respond. They're doing their best right now. I believe in these guys. I believe in this team."

Where I stopped reading...

[hoophabit]

Why do people want to try to take anything from a brief halftime interview with an owner? What did you want him to say? Loyer is our coach right now, so should he run him down to the media? Should he do this to players who are still on his team? It's the usual end of a bad season double speak and nothing more. Gores getting the Sh** booed out of him will accomplish what? FYI, "less than idiotic" would be dead, as it is impossible to go any lower and have any mentation at all.

Yes, it does seem like a lot of people really want to keep the draft pick, although personally it's not that big a deal. If you do want to keep it, the recent increased losing is the right move. I agree that this draft looks less and less like a talent bonanza. Still, the draft is always a crap shoot for most teams. The "can't miss" players are few and far between.

If putting Smith and Jennings together as your big off season moves doesn't get you fired, what would it take? I'm still watching every game. (Well, perhaps you can make a case for "less than idiotic.") Every single game there are several instances where Smith jacks up foolish shots, or Jennings refuses to dump it down low even if only to make the defense move, and jacks up his patented off one foot contested fall away (Dirk he isn't).

[Neptune]

FYI, "less than idiotic" would be dead, as it is impossible to go any lower and have any mentation at all.

Haha, I caught that.

[ComboGuardCity]

What is he supposed to say? "Yeah we suck and dumars will pay"

He did say there are tough times before you can be good. Makes me think he's on board the tank.

[DonVitoReturns]

What is he supposed to say is the question?

How about saying nothing instead of this BS?
He doesn't have to say anything.
Davidson rarely gave an interview.
I tend to think he believes what he's saying. I think you give him far too much credit if you think that isn't the case.

[ComboGuardCity]

What is he supposed to say is the question?

How about saying nothing instead of this BS?
He doesn't have to say anything.
Davidson rarely gave an interview.
I tend to think he believes what he's saying. I think you give him far too much credit if you think that isn't the case.

Yeah shutting down local media is great PR.

[DonVitoReturns]

What is he supposed to say is the question?

How about saying nothing instead of this BS?
He doesn't have to say anything.
Davidson rarely gave an interview.
I tend to think he believes what he's saying. I think you give him far too much credit if you think that isn't the case.

Yeah shutting down local media is great PR.

Good point. Don't want to risk cutting the 3,000 fans that attend games down to 2,000 with some bad PR.

[ComboGuardCity]

What is he supposed to say is the question?

How about saying nothing instead of this BS?
He doesn't have to say anything.
Davidson rarely gave an interview.
I tend to think he believes what he's saying. I think you give him far too much credit if you think that isn't the case.

Yeah shutting down local media is great PR.

Good point. Don't want to risk cutting the 3,000 fans that attend games down to 2,000 with some bad PR.

I have news for you, fan attendance is not the only way revenue is generated for an NBA team.

[Clarity]

Josh & Jennings, 11-32, 34%
Monroe & Drummond 14-24, 58%

If Gores doesnt completely end this nonsense this Summer he isnt fit to be an Owner.

Monroe only shoots inside 15 feet, Drummond only gets put backs and dunks. I know what you're saying and I know Smith and Jennings are hard to watch but I think it's hardly fair to compare their shooting percentages. I would bet that almost every C-PF tandem in the league has a higher FG pct. than the PG-SF on their own team. I'm not saying Smith and Jennings don't take bad shots because they are awful. However, a decent coach would bring those percentages closer together IMO. There is no accountability on this team for jacking up bad shots.

Gores has already proven to me he will never be successful as an owner. This whole situation is a disaster. I think we are doomed until the day he sells.

I hear what youre saying but you basically co signed what I said, the coach thing is a tired excuse now.

On no planet should these two dip **** be taking more combined shots than Monroe/Drummond.