Has Josh Smith played his last game for the Pistons?

[wallace72]

Not only can we not get assets for him, but there's no way we could even dump him without taking back a comparable negative piece or giving up valuable assets ourselves.

I wish he'd played his last game, but I think we're stuck with him (and he with us, I doubt he's any happier about it than we are).

No,

It's up to the new HC to figure out a 3 player rotation at the 4-5 spot.
We knew what Dumars was capable off in the off-season.
We had our poison before with the signings off Gordon and CV31.
Beginning off the end

[dVs33]

It's sad that some here have short memory of how talented Smith is at the 4. It's actually pretty disrespectful.

He doesn't magically get smarter when he plays PF. He's just too lazy to play perimeter D and he can block more shots as a help side defender. His one on one D isn't amazing.

He is lazy, dumb and needs to go.
I vote "Please God i hope so".

[DetroitSho]

Not only can we not get assets for him, but there's no way we could even dump him without taking back a comparable negative piece or giving up valuable assets ourselves.

I wish he'd played his last game, but I think we're stuck with him (and he with us, I doubt he's any happier about it than we are).

Wow, at least someone on these boards is not stuck in dream land when it comes to Smith.

Smith is not comparable to Rudy Gay, he is WORST than Rudy Gay bc his contract is much longer and his best position (PF) doesnt produce his best results.

Who the hell wants a PF that refuses to rebound and jacks up long 2s and 3s?

Anyone who thinks Smith is tradeable is as delusional about him as people were in the beginning of this season.

We are stuck with Smith unless some team gets utterly desperate next year for a playoff run, other than that we can kiss trading Smith goodbye ESPECIALLY since there are two huge free agency years coming up and no one wants to jeopardize cap space on trash like Josh.

Remember all you Dumars' apologists and supporters, Joe Dumbbass GAVE UP what is going to turn out to be a TOP 10 PICK just so we could sign this POS. That's why i find it absolutely hilarious that people get pissed about me being "disrespectful" towards Dumars. easy now

I hope Smith never plays another game for the Pistons but unfortunately this is too good to be true

If by much longer, you mean 1 year, then yeah you're right. Other than the fact that 1 year with Josh Smith is like dog years and feels like 7 actual years, I don't think MUCH longer is an applicable adjective when talking about 1 year.

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[rmfc]

Monroe will likely be re-signed. Probably going to shop Smith and Monroe all the way until the trade deadline and take the best deal we're offered for either one at that point. Similar season record until the deadline and then we squeak into the 8th seed after the trade. We lose in the first round and Charlotte gets a mid first round draft pick. THE END.

Another half a season of the Pistons version of "big 3"? Yikes!

[DBC10]

Somehow with all that extra "talent" our record is somehow the same and we're even more painful to watch than last year.

Our new GM will no doubt try his very best to sell off Smith and maybe even Jennings through a firesale or even to a dumb and desperate team similar to what Masai did in Toronto (Masai is a stud btw for those trades). Otherwise, I think there's a 65% chance Smith gets unloaded to some team and we get garbage/lose assets in order for us to do. So thanks Smith for crippling our future.

[bballnmike]

Not only can we not get assets for him, but there's no way we could even dump him without taking back a comparable negative piece or giving up valuable assets ourselves.

I wish he'd played his last game, but I think we're stuck with him (and he with us, I doubt he's any happier about it than we are).

He's probably a little happier than us, since he got paid, but yes I agree.

[Hotmayo]

Greg Monroe will get 13 mill a yr. who's better?

Josh at 14 mill or greg at 13 at PF?

Umm gimme josh

[RSCD3_]

Not only can we not get assets for him, but there's no way we could even dump him without taking back a comparable negative piece or giving up valuable assets ourselves.

I wish he'd played his last game, but I think we're stuck with him (and he with us, I doubt he's any happier about it than we are).

Id take amare stoudemire himself

Josh smith is a epidemic the longer he lasts, the more he spreads, more of our players will began developing his attitude.

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[HotelVitale]

Not only can we not get assets for him, but there's no way we could even dump him without taking back a comparable negative piece or giving up valuable assets ourselves.
I wish he'd played his last game, but I think we're stuck with him (and he with us, I doubt he's any happier about it than we are).

As usual, dead on. He *could* be moved, but only in a BenGo like trade. I think he is here for at least a couple more years

I'd agree that right now we're not likely to find a taker for Smith without having to sweeten the pot. With that said, he's not as hopeless as Gordon since he was a useful player within recent memory. Gordon was awful by that time and everyone knew it; he went from a bit overpaid to a bad contract to a totally useless cap-thief during his three seasons here. Smith started the season at the first stage is at the second now.

So these proposals to dump him for scraps and expirings on Sacto or NYK are vaguely plausible IMO. But if Smith starts next season playing the same way he did this year, he's going to edge into BG territory, and we'll be stuck with him for years.

[MrBigShot]

People are vastly underrating Smith's value...we do not need to include a valuable asset to get rid of him. All it takes is one team to show interest. And something to keep in mind is that the league is well aware that he is not a 3 and would play a lot better as a 4 (he'd still jack up threes though, I bet).

If the Raps can get back 2 expirings and 2 guys that expire next year without giving up much (Ed davis + filler), then I think we can deal Smith without giving up a valuable pick or anyone valuable. Remember Rudy Gay was posting 20ppg on absolute garbage efficiency.

[Spider156]

When does the season end?

[Spider156]

I feel like this board is panicking right now haha

[whitehops]

to people comparing smith to the rudy gay situation, this is quite different. rudy gay's contract, while rather large, expires at the end of next season or potentially at the end of this one, he has already stated that he isn't sure that he'll pick up his option for next year. that means he will either be off the books or resigned to a much more reasonable contract quite soon.

smith, on the other hand, has three more years on his contract after this season. that is a long commitment for a team to give to a player that is far from reliable and signed to a big contract.


the perfect scenario for the pistons is that they trade smith for a bunch of bad contracts that expire in the next or two (by the end of 2015 or 2016), which would align perfectly with jennings' contract coming off the books and them having to sign Drummond to his big contract. the question is what team would be willing to risk giving up expirings for smith? smith for garnett if he doesn't retire this offseason? smith for lin or asik and change? smith for nelson and change? even smith for nene might work, nene gets 13 mil/year to smith's 13.5 but his contract ends a year earlier.

I'm not trying to say that smith has no value in the league or that he can't be on a successful team but being on this team that is full of young players and just learning how to play is not a beneficial environment for either parties, imo.

[chrbal]

So i'm the only one that could see the Knicks offer Andrea Bargnani for Josh Smith

[theBigLip]

It depends on the directive given the new GM. But it is certainly possibly to move Smith. Especially if he got on a good team with a good coach and wasn't expected to be "the man". I think either he or Monroe have to be traded - its going to be too much money for the PF position.

Amare has just one year left at $23M - maybe we could trade Jennings and Smith for Amare

[Laimbeer]

Pistons should match on Monroe and try to move Smith, unless they can get a nice sign and trade for Monroe and then run Smith at the four. Right now I'm guessing both of them are back, though I believe that's a mistake. The next coach might believe he can fix it, and they might find no deals for Smith they can tolerate.

[Clarity]

It depends on the directive given the new GM. But it is certainly possibly to move Smith. Especially if he got on a good team with a good coach and wasn't expected to be "the man". I think either he or Monroe have to be traded - its going to be too much money for the PF position.

Amare has just one year left at $23M - maybe we could trade Jennings and Smith for Amare

not only would that be addition by subtraction but it would actually be a great fit for 1 year if Amare can stay on the court.

He would fit well coming off the bench with Monroe or Drummond because he can shoot jumpers.

Kind of going off what I mentioned last wknd, obviously start Moose & Drum each half & finish with them but in between rotate them at C with Amare or another shooter at the 4. Let them both work individually in that paint with shooters around them.

[Notanoob]

I don't think that the Knicks will take Smith. They probably want to have a clear salary cap to sign free agents and build around Carmelo a year down the road, and hope that they can get better players than Josh Smith. Also, consider that they will almost certainly be running the triangle offense, and how Josh Smith fits there. Heck, if they continue to roll with Carmelo at PF (where he's been most effective on both ends of the court), Josh might have to come off the bench, which is obviously not an ideal situation considering his attitude (he probably wouldn't take that well) and contract.

Our best option may just be to play him at PF this upcoming season exclusively, and bring Monroe off the bench at both big man positions. Moose is not a loud guy, and with a fat new contract he probably wouldn't complain too much. At least, I like my chances with Moose coming off the bench more than my chances with Smith. Smith would likely raise his value at PF, and teams might discover a need at PF that didn't exist before and suddenly be willing to trade for Smith (Rockets if the superstar market dries up and they have a poor showing in the playoffs, Kings if they don't draft a PF).