Who should be moved first: Jennings or Smith?

[Redeemed]

I voted Smith. He has no where near the offensive game of Monroe. As Smith ages, his athleticism will diminish so his effectiveness will erode. He has not exhibited anything that resembles a basketball IQ. His counter or fallback excuse to take so many threes is the fact that he's playing the three. Stupid! I remember Grant Hill playing that position and he didn't take threes. In fact it wasn't until he got to Orlando that he started taking them and when he got to Phoenix he became a proficient shooter from distance.

Problems with Smith are the low IQ, the lack of touch, the frequency of shooting outside his range, his pouting which leads a cancerous environment, his tendency to quit on the team. Smith pulled the same crap in the ATL. He feuded with coaches. He wouldn't listen to Woodson who was leading the team to a better record every year during his tenure there. Smith exhibited no leadership characteristics and refused to take the blame for his faults. When he pointed to the younger players as the blame for the season, that was all I needed to know to want that dude gone.

[sc8581]

Jennings needs to go first without question. All of you that want to get rid of Smith and pay Monroe even more money are delusional. Smith is every bit as good of an overall PF as Monroe if not better, it makes no sense to deal him for another bad contract as well as overpaying Monroe to stick around while being stuck with Jennings on top of it. Move Jennings for anybody that could be a solid part of our rotation, either let Monroe walk or maybe get a solid player or two in a S&T, start Smith at PF, team is just as good already and this would give us a bunch of cap space to go after the #1 option we truly need to ever compete. If we get a top 3 pick my opinion is subject to change lol.

[Notanoob]

I don't think that we really can move Jennings. The only team with a starting PG worse than Jennings who isn't some really young guy being developed is the Knicks, and I don't think that we can trick Phil into taking him off of our hands.

[sc8581]

I don't think that we really can move Jennings. The only team with a starting PG worse than Jennings who isn't some really young guy being developed is the Knicks, and I don't think that we can trick Phil into taking him off of our hands.

It would obviously be a swap of bad contracts, just adding a guy who although overpaid could still fill a role for us in some way.

[MrBigShot]

Smith is far more talented than Jennings. But both are volatile, overconfident, low basketball IQ players though. Jennings' contract really isn't so bad. After next year he becomes a very tradeable expiring, so I don't think he's impossible to move. I'll go with him, because his defense, lack of finishing ability, dumb shot selection and inefficiency is worse than Smith thinking he's Ray Allen.

Both need to be moved though. Monroe may not be able to stretch the floor, but at least he knows it. He doesn't continually chuck up low-percentage shots when he knows he's not capable of making them at a high rate.

[DBC10]

Like I said when Smith and Jennings was acquired. Both are extremely low on BBIQ and lack polish/fundamentals to truly play with their physical attributes.

We need a re-do on the trades somehow, someway, since we're not going to win with Smith feuding with coaches and to a lesser extent the locker room. I vote Smith first, then see if Jennings can be salvaged but alas no, and deal with how Monroe will be paid. Considering we're not going to get anything worthwhile in a S&T for Monroe except maybe a 1, maybe 2 year rentals. At least he'll still be moveable whereas Smith and Jennings seem like an uphill battle.

[Clarity]

Both need to be moved though. Monroe may not be able to stretch the floor, but at least he knows it. He doesn't continually chuck up low-percentage shots when he knows he's not capable of making them at a high rate.

We dont need Monroe to stretch the floor.

The last thing we need is our 4 shooting 20 footers all night.

[MrBigShot]

Both need to be moved though. Monroe may not be able to stretch the floor, but at least he knows it. He doesn't continually chuck up low-percentage shots when he knows he's not capable of making them at a high rate.

We dont need Monroe to stretch the floor.

The last thing we need is our 4 shooting 20 footers all night.

Believe me, I want Monroe attacking the basket from the high post, but it wouldn't hurt to be able to hit a 15-18 foot mid range jumper. That would make it easier for Moose to beat guys off the dribble because they have to respect his shot, and make him more versatile.

If you look at some of the top bigs in the league, they are all capable of doing that. David Lee, Bosh, Milsap, Blake Griffin, LMA, Anthony Davis ect...

Personally I believe every starting power forward should have a respectable mid range jumper.

[sc8581]

Smith is far more talented than Jennings. But both are volatile, overconfident, low basketball IQ players though. Jennings' contract really isn't so bad. After next year he becomes a very tradeable expiring, so I don't think he's impossible to move. I'll go with him, because his defense, lack of finishing ability, dumb shot selection and inefficiency is worse than Smith thinking he's Ray Allen.

Both need to be moved though. Monroe may not be able to stretch the floor, but at least he knows it. He doesn't continually chuck up low-percentage shots when he knows he's not capable of making them at a high rate.

You're right, he tries to force a bunch of ill-advised bulldog drives and throws up blind shots, at least Smith is looking at the basket when he takes jumpers, though sometimes it seems his eyes must be closed lol.

In the 6 games Smith didn't start this year Monroe averaged 16.5 on 15.3 shots and 44.5% from the field. Clearly he was trying to do more than he's capable of just like Smith did all season long. We need a #1 option more than anything right now, we can't dump Smith and if we sign Monroe we have no way of getting that guy we need, signing Moose will be the final nail in the coffin that is holding the next era of Piston basketball.

[King Bugs]

Jennings... this guy gave up 491 drives to the basket this past season. How can we ever make the playoffs with that type of defense on the perimeter?

He has to go first.

[MrBigShot]

Smith is far more talented than Jennings. But both are volatile, overconfident, low basketball IQ players though. Jennings' contract really isn't so bad. After next year he becomes a very tradeable expiring, so I don't think he's impossible to move. I'll go with him, because his defense, lack of finishing ability, dumb shot selection and inefficiency is worse than Smith thinking he's Ray Allen.

Both need to be moved though. Monroe may not be able to stretch the floor, but at least he knows it. He doesn't continually chuck up low-percentage shots when he knows he's not capable of making them at a high rate.

You're right, he tries to force a bunch of ill-advised bulldog drives and throws up blind shots, at least Smith is looking at the basket when he takes jumpers, though sometimes it seems his eyes must be closed lol.

In the 6 games Smith didn't start this year Monroe averaged 16.5 on 15.3 shots and 44.5% from the field. Clearly he was trying to do more than he's capable of just like Smith did all season long. We need a #1 option more than anything right now, we can't dump Smith and if we sign Monroe we have no way of getting that guy we need, signing Moose will be the final nail in the coffin that is holding the next era of Piston basketball.

Smith missed 5 games this year. That's not much of a sample size. And regardless of that, those performances are better than the 16.4 ppg on 16 shot attempts that Smith put up through 77 games.

Smith looks at the basket and Monroe "throws up blind shots" and yet is still more efficient, even in those 5 games where he was less efficient than usual...interesting. It's almost as if you're supporting my opinion instead of arguing against it.

[DBC10]

Smith is far more talented than Jennings. But both are volatile, overconfident, low basketball IQ players though. Jennings' contract really isn't so bad. After next year he becomes a very tradeable expiring, so I don't think he's impossible to move. I'll go with him, because his defense, lack of finishing ability, dumb shot selection and inefficiency is worse than Smith thinking he's Ray Allen.

Both need to be moved though. Monroe may not be able to stretch the floor, but at least he knows it. He doesn't continually chuck up low-percentage shots when he knows he's not capable of making them at a high rate.

You're right, he tries to force a bunch of ill-advised bulldog drives and throws up blind shots, at least Smith is looking at the basket when he takes jumpers, though sometimes it seems his eyes must be closed lol.

In the 6 games Smith didn't start this year Monroe averaged 16.5 on 15.3 shots and 44.5% from the field. Clearly he was trying to do more than he's capable of just like Smith did all season long. We need a #1 option more than anything right now, we can't dump Smith and if we sign Monroe we have no way of getting that guy we need, signing Moose will be the final nail in the coffin that is holding the next era of Piston basketball.

Smith missed 5 games this year. That's not much of a sample size. And regardless of that, those performances are better than the 16.4 ppg on 16 shot attempts that Smith put up through 77 games.

Smith looks at the basket and Monroe "throws up blind shots" and yet is still more efficient, even in those 5 games where he was less efficient than usual...interesting. It's almost as if you're supporting my opinion instead of arguing against it.

You can usually tell when someone never actually took statistics class in school when they start grasping at straws and cherry picking data without lack of variables to account for and usually the sample size. Some people lately have been using that fallacious statistic as if it somehow validates their proposition when it clearly does not. The rule of thumb usually is 30 samples and to extrapolate some sort of meaning from 6 games are the things that make statisticians hate their lives. Not to mention, if I ever did that with my old Profs, I'm sure they would laugh.

Monroe's eFG%: .497 TS%: .531 Or approximately within league average
Smith's eFG%: .448 TS% .463 Below league average

[sc8581]

Smith is far more talented than Jennings. But both are volatile, overconfident, low basketball IQ players though. Jennings' contract really isn't so bad. After next year he becomes a very tradeable expiring, so I don't think he's impossible to move. I'll go with him, because his defense, lack of finishing ability, dumb shot selection and inefficiency is worse than Smith thinking he's Ray Allen.

Both need to be moved though. Monroe may not be able to stretch the floor, but at least he knows it. He doesn't continually chuck up low-percentage shots when he knows he's not capable of making them at a high rate.

You're right, he tries to force a bunch of ill-advised bulldog drives and throws up blind shots, at least Smith is looking at the basket when he takes jumpers, though sometimes it seems his eyes must be closed lol.

In the 6 games Smith didn't start this year Monroe averaged 16.5 on 15.3 shots and 44.5% from the field. Clearly he was trying to do more than he's capable of just like Smith did all season long. We need a #1 option more than anything right now, we can't dump Smith and if we sign Monroe we have no way of getting that guy we need, signing Moose will be the final nail in the coffin that is holding the next era of Piston basketball.

Smith missed 5 games this year. That's not much of a sample size. And regardless of that, those performances are better than the 16.4 ppg on 16 shot attempts that Smith put up through 77 games.

Smith looks at the basket and Monroe "throws up blind shots" and yet is still more efficient, even in those 5 games where he was less efficient than usual...interesting. It's almost as if you're supporting my opinion instead of arguing against it.

I said in the games Smith didn't start which was 6 but the fact that Monroe was slightly more efficient while taking nearly all of his shots inside the paint AND having an extra shooter out there most of the time proves my point.

[Clarity]

Believe me, I want Monroe attacking the basket from the high post, but it wouldn't hurt to be able to hit a 15-18 foot mid range jumper. That would make it easier for Moose to beat guys off the dribble because they have to respect his shot, and make him more versatile.

If you look at some of the top bigs in the league, they are all capable of doing that. David Lee, Bosh, Milsap, Blake Griffin, LMA, Anthony Davis ect...

Personally I believe every starting power forward should have a respectable mid range jumper.

No argument here.