Greg Monroe: "Team Doesn't Have Good Chemistry"

[jakebernat]

You said by adding Smart at the point and a competent defender at the 3, Smart is as bad a shooter as Smith so there's no spacing there and that competent defender at the 3.....? So now it's a 3D guy?

there's plenty of players that are just as bad a shooter as smith. the difference between smith and those players is that they KNOW IT. smith, for whatever reason, thinks he's a good shooter. smart's defense at the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jennings. singler's shooting ability/IQ >>>>>>>>>>>>> smith. KCP defense/shooting ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuckey. what is so hard for you to understand? i feel like i'm arguing with dumars.

[sc8581]

You said by adding Smart at the point and a competent defender at the 3, Smart is as bad a shooter as Smith so there's no spacing there and that competent defender at the 3.....? So now it's a 3D guy?

there's plenty of players that are just as bad a shooter as smith. the difference between smith and those players is that they KNOW IT. smith, for whatever reason, thinks he's a good shooter. smart's defense at the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jennings. singler's shooting ability/IQ >>>>>>>>>>>>> smith. KCP defense/shooting ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuckey. what is so hard for you to understand? i feel like i'm arguing with dumars.

Singler isn't a capable defender though and as sad as it is, Jennings is a much better shooter than Smart. Your suggested line-up of Drum-Moose-Singler-KCP-Smart doesn't improve our shooting at all from this season anyway.

[Q00]

Monroe avg's 21ppg, 11rpg and 3apg for his career when he gets 15 or more FGAs.

What is the exact number of attempts you are talking about? More than 15 FGAs could mean he's taking 20 shots to get those 21 pts. So that stat doesn't really tell much without being more specific.

Also what's his FG% on those attempts?

He's shooting 50%fg with those numbers.

You gotta be more specific though. What are his averages and percentages on 15 FGAs, 16 FGA, 17 FGAs, etc?

Also, I looked it up and he's actually 48% FG when taking more than 15 FGAs in his career

[jakebernat]

You said by adding Smart at the point and a competent defender at the 3, Smart is as bad a shooter as Smith so there's no spacing there and that competent defender at the 3.....? So now it's a 3D guy?

there's plenty of players that are just as bad a shooter as smith. the difference between smith and those players is that they KNOW IT. smith, for whatever reason, thinks he's a good shooter. smart's defense at the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jennings. singler's shooting ability/IQ >>>>>>>>>>>>> smith. KCP defense/shooting ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuckey. what is so hard for you to understand? i feel like i'm arguing with dumars.

Singler isn't a capable defender though and as sad as it is, Jennings is a much better shooter than Smart. Your suggested line-up of Drum-Moose-Singler-KCP-Smart doesn't improve our shooting at all from this season anyway.

singler is just as effective defending SF's as Smith. he can actually stick with his man off the ball and doesn't give up on plays when his shot isn't falling.
Jennings also takes his teammates out of an offensive flow by launching constant unnecessary pull-ups and step-backs. At least smart would make a concerted effort to get into the paint and play to his strengths. and once again, smart's defense >>>>>>>> jennings.
Kcp is a much better shooter than stuckey, and singler is a much better shooter than Smith, so the floor spacing does improve...a lot

[MotownMadness]

What is the exact number of attempts you are talking about? More than 15 FGAs could mean he's taking 20 shots to get those 21 pts. So that stat doesn't really tell much without being more specific.

Also what's his FG% on those attempts?

He's shooting 50%fg with those numbers.

You gotta be more specific though. What are his averages and percentages on 15 FGAs, 16 FGA, 17 FGAs, etc?

Also, I looked it up and he's actually 48% FG when taking more than 15 FGAs in his career

You looked it up so does it show what the FGAs are? I don't even remember the site I was on where I seen it now nor did it say, so I'll try and dig it up tomorrow.

[Q00]

You said by adding Smart at the point and a competent defender at the 3, Smart is as bad a shooter as Smith so there's no spacing there and that competent defender at the 3.....? So now it's a 3D guy?

there's plenty of players that are just as bad a shooter as smith. the difference between smith and those players is that they KNOW IT. smith, for whatever reason, thinks he's a good shooter. smart's defense at the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jennings. singler's shooting ability/IQ >>>>>>>>>>>>> smith. KCP defense/shooting ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuckey. what is so hard for you to understand? i feel like i'm arguing with dumars.

Smart avg 5 three's per game in college on 30%

I don't see how he is one of those players you are talking about, who shoot poorly, but don't take a lot because they know they're bad.

He took almost twice as many 3's as Smith did this year.

[jakebernat]

You said by adding Smart at the point and a competent defender at the 3, Smart is as bad a shooter as Smith so there's no spacing there and that competent defender at the 3.....? So now it's a 3D guy?

there's plenty of players that are just as bad a shooter as smith. the difference between smith and those players is that they KNOW IT. smith, for whatever reason, thinks he's a good shooter. smart's defense at the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jennings. singler's shooting ability/IQ >>>>>>>>>>>>> smith. KCP defense/shooting ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuckey. what is so hard for you to understand? i feel like i'm arguing with dumars.

Smart avg 5 three's per game in college on 30%

I don't see how he is one of those players you are talking about, who shoot poorly, but don't take a lot because they know they're bad.

He takes almost twice as many 3's as Smith.

he was mr. do everything for OK state. I'm sure he was encouraged to take those shots. once he's in the nba and surrounded by exponentially more talent and shooting, he'll beast on the inside. he's been labeled a gym rat and an extremely coachable kid, so the right coach could bring out the absolute best in him.

[Clarity]

Like I said, dumb discussion. Lets focus on the stuff actually wrong.

Like the 2 idiots, zero wing defense & shooting.

[DBC10]

Like I said, dumb discussion. Lets focus on the stuff actually wrong.

Like the 2 idiots, zero wing defense & shooting.

I keep finding HK's gems and they (Surprise!) still ring true right now.

Monroe is a FC. He can ideally play either position.

How about you surround Drumroe with some god damn shooters? The Pistons are one of the best post scoring teams in the league IN SPITE of the lack of spacing from the wing. Drummond and Monroe have worked fine together offensively. Monroe is doing his thing and Drummond is doing his thing. They're not getting in each other's way offensively at all.

I don't want to hear about how Monroe's lack of a jumper is a problem when the team as a whole sucks from 16+ feet. That's not Monroe's fault. That's Smith's fault. That's Jennings' fault. That's KCP's fault.

You don't get to complain about the PF's jumper when the SF, SG, and PG's jumpers are broken. Give me some god damn shooters who can hit more 35% from 16-24 feet (4th worst) and more than 31% from 24+ feet (Worst in the NBA) and then tell me that Drumroe is the problem. Fix the obvious problems first, and then tell me about how Drumroe just plain ol' "can't work."

Until then, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear crap that "Monroe is a center" or any of that. Fix the actual problems. Do not create new problems for the sake of solving what isn't broken.

[Clarity]

Like I said, dumb discussion. Lets focus on the stuff actually wrong.

Like the 2 idiots, zero wing defense & shooting.

I keep finding HK's gems and they (Surprise!) still ring true right now.

Monroe is a FC. He can ideally play either position.

How about you surround Drumroe with some god damn shooters? The Pistons are one of the best post scoring teams in the league IN SPITE of the lack of spacing from the wing. Drummond and Monroe have worked fine together offensively. Monroe is doing his thing and Drummond is doing his thing. They're not getting in each other's way offensively at all.

I don't want to hear about how Monroe's lack of a jumper is a problem when the team as a whole sucks from 16+ feet. That's not Monroe's fault. That's Smith's fault. That's Jennings' fault. That's KCP's fault.

You don't get to complain about the PF's jumper when the SF, SG, and PG's jumpers are broken. Give me some god damn shooters who can hit more 35% from 16-24 feet (4th worst) and more than 31% from 24+ feet (Worst in the NBA) and then tell me that Drumroe is the problem. Fix the obvious problems first, and then tell me about how Drumroe just plain ol' "can't work."

Until then, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear crap that "Monroe is a center" or any of that. Fix the actual problems. Do not create new problems for the sake of solving what isn't broken.

Like I said, dumb discussion.

In no way does anyone with a brain think Monroe is a true #1 option. Really Lamarcus is probably the only true #1 option as far as bigs in this entire league.

In no way does anyone with a brain think Monroe is a lock down defender. However show me any bigs with anything near his skill set that are lock down defenders. The term lock down defender is silly anyway, like Chuck said last night, this is an offensive league, you dont stop guys, you can only slow them down.

He is a consistent 17 & 10 & works great with Drummond, thats all I care about. Drummond progressing is my only care. Thats the only way we are ever going to be great again. Monroe, Smart, whoever are all sidekicks to Drummond.

That OKC game is how this team has to play to win any games. 3 shooters, Moose in the high post facilitating for himself & his teammates, everyone constantly looking for Drummond.

[DBC10]

Like I said, dumb discussion. Lets focus on the stuff actually wrong.

Like the 2 idiots, zero wing defense & shooting.

I keep finding HK's gems and they (Surprise!) still ring true right now.

Monroe is a FC. He can ideally play either position.

How about you surround Drumroe with some god damn shooters? The Pistons are one of the best post scoring teams in the league IN SPITE of the lack of spacing from the wing. Drummond and Monroe have worked fine together offensively. Monroe is doing his thing and Drummond is doing his thing. They're not getting in each other's way offensively at all.

I don't want to hear about how Monroe's lack of a jumper is a problem when the team as a whole sucks from 16+ feet. That's not Monroe's fault. That's Smith's fault. That's Jennings' fault. That's KCP's fault.

You don't get to complain about the PF's jumper when the SF, SG, and PG's jumpers are broken. Give me some god damn shooters who can hit more 35% from 16-24 feet (4th worst) and more than 31% from 24+ feet (Worst in the NBA) and then tell me that Drumroe is the problem. Fix the obvious problems first, and then tell me about how Drumroe just plain ol' "can't work."

Until then, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear crap that "Monroe is a center" or any of that. Fix the actual problems. Do not create new problems for the sake of solving what isn't broken.

Like I said, dumb discussion.

In no way does anyone with a brain think Monroe is a true #1 option. Really Lamarcus is probably the only true #1 option as far as bigs in this entire league.

In no way does anyone with a brain think Monroe is a lock down defender. However show me any bigs with anything near his skill set that are lock down defenders. The term lock down defender is silly anyway, like Chuck said last night, this is an offensive league, you dont stop guys, you can only slow them down.

He is a consistent 17 & 10 & works great with Drummond, thats all I care about. Drummond progressing is my only care. Thats the only way we are ever going to be great again. Monroe, Smart, whoever are all sidekicks to Drummond.

That OKC game is how this team has to play to win any games. 3 shooters, Moose in the high post facilitating for himself & his teammates, everyone constantly looking for Drummond.

And the funny thing is about people bemoaning the fact that Monroe is going to get paid, at the very worst, he'll be that same 16/10 player in which any team in the league would take a chance with. We're not getting anything worthwhile longterm if we do S&T him. The arguably, best way to have better trade value from Monroe if the twin towers don't work out, is to extend him and then trade him. Some people act like Monroe is going to rot on the bench like CV did.

Honestly, it really is cognitive dissonance. I joke about it a lot of times, but it really is, and it's also sad.

[Q00]

Like I said, dumb discussion. Lets focus on the stuff actually wrong.

Like the 2 idiots, zero wing defense & shooting.

I keep finding HK's gems and they (Surprise!) still ring true right now.

Monroe is a FC. He can ideally play either position.

How about you surround Drumroe with some god damn shooters? The Pistons are one of the best post scoring teams in the league IN SPITE of the lack of spacing from the wing. Drummond and Monroe have worked fine together offensively. Monroe is doing his thing and Drummond is doing his thing. They're not getting in each other's way offensively at all.

I don't want to hear about how Monroe's lack of a jumper is a problem when the team as a whole sucks from 16+ feet. That's not Monroe's fault. That's Smith's fault. That's Jennings' fault. That's KCP's fault.

You don't get to complain about the PF's jumper when the SF, SG, and PG's jumpers are broken. Give me some god damn shooters who can hit more 35% from 16-24 feet (4th worst) and more than 31% from 24+ feet (Worst in the NBA) and then tell me that Drumroe is the problem. Fix the obvious problems first, and then tell me about how Drumroe just plain ol' "can't work."

Until then, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear crap that "Monroe is a center" or any of that. Fix the actual problems. Do not create new problems for the sake of solving what isn't broken.

This guy is clueless, talking about fixing problems and not a word about defense in his whole post. All he talks about is how to improve the offense of a team that scored 101 ppg, with no mention of how to fix a defense that gave up 105 ppg.

It sounds like Lions fans who think drafting more WRs is the key to the super bowl, despite avg 25 ppg on offense last year, while giving up 24 ppg on defense and can't stop anyone.

[sc8581]

Like I said, dumb discussion. Lets focus on the stuff actually wrong.

Like the 2 idiots, zero wing defense & shooting.

I keep finding HK's gems and they (Surprise!) still ring true right now.

Monroe is a FC. He can ideally play either position.

How about you surround Drumroe with some god damn shooters? The Pistons are one of the best post scoring teams in the league IN SPITE of the lack of spacing from the wing. Drummond and Monroe have worked fine together offensively. Monroe is doing his thing and Drummond is doing his thing. They're not getting in each other's way offensively at all.

I don't want to hear about how Monroe's lack of a jumper is a problem when the team as a whole sucks from 16+ feet. That's not Monroe's fault. That's Smith's fault. That's Jennings' fault. That's KCP's fault.

You don't get to complain about the PF's jumper when the SF, SG, and PG's jumpers are broken. Give me some god damn shooters who can hit more 35% from 16-24 feet (4th worst) and more than 31% from 24+ feet (Worst in the NBA) and then tell me that Drumroe is the problem. Fix the obvious problems first, and then tell me about how Drumroe just plain ol' "can't work."

Until then, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear crap that "Monroe is a center" or any of that. Fix the actual problems. Do not create new problems for the sake of solving what isn't broken.

This guy is clueless, talking about fixing problems and not a word about defense in his whole post. All he talks about is how to improve the offense of a team that scored 101 ppg, with no mention of how to fix a defense that gave up 105 ppg.

It sounds like Lions fans who think drafting more WRs is the key to the super bowl, despite avg 25 ppg on offense last year, while giving up 24 ppg on defense and can't stop anyone.

Well to be fair about the Lions comment, their defense gave up most of those points because their offense and special teams were so bad lol

[Q00]

I keep finding HK's gems and they (Surprise!) still ring true right now.

This guy is clueless, talking about fixing problems and not a word about defense in his whole post. All he talks about is how to improve the offense of a team that scored 101 ppg, with no mention of how to fix a defense that gave up 105 ppg.

It sounds like Lions fans who think drafting more WRs is the key to the super bowl, despite avg 25 ppg on offense last year, while giving up 24 ppg on defense and can't stop anyone.

Well to be fair about the Lions comment, their defense gave up most of those points because their offense and special teams were so bad lol

I don't know how you can say their offense was bad when they put up 25 ppg and were 3rd in passing yards. They had a bunch of turnovers in the second half of the year, but most of them were in the red zone, so it wasn't really putting the defense in a bad spot. The defense just wasn't good because they had no one in the secondary who could cover anyone. And they addressed it in FA by spending all their money on offense lol

[sc8581]

This guy is clueless, talking about fixing problems and not a word about defense in his whole post. All he talks about is how to improve the offense of a team that scored 101 ppg, with no mention of how to fix a defense that gave up 105 ppg.

It sounds like Lions fans who think drafting more WRs is the key to the super bowl, despite avg 25 ppg on offense last year, while giving up 24 ppg on defense and can't stop anyone.

Well to be fair about the Lions comment, their defense gave up most of those points because their offense and special teams were so bad lol

I don't know how you can say their offense was bad when they put up 25 ppg and were 3rd in passing yards. They had a bunch of turnovers in the second half of the year, but most of them were in the red zone, so it wasn't really putting the defense in a bad spot. The defense just wasn't good because they had no one in the secondary who could cover anyone. And they addressed it in FA by spending all their money on offense lol

They were 13th in ppg and 15 in ppg allowed, their defense scored 2 TDs off turnovers, opponents defenses scored 4 TDs off Lion turnovers, their offense turned the ball over more than anybody but the Giants. Stafford without Calvin Johnson might be the worst QB in the league, even with him he's still down right awful.

[Billl]

Out team "chemistry" isn't bad because of our lack of shooting. That is a serious flaw in our offense that needs to be corrected this offseason, but it really isn't the main issue. If our offense was running smoothly and we were getting open jumpers that we just couldn't knock down, then shooting would be the issue. That isn't happening though. Our movement off the ball is pretty bad (except for singler) and we have guys taking early jumpers without even getting into an offensive set.

Fundamentally though, defense is our problem Despite our boneheaded play, we put up 101 ppg. It's our highest scoring average in the last 15 years. Yes, it's ugly at times, but we actually have some good offensive weapons.

Defensively, is where the chemistry is really an issue. We are playing a lot of guys who are going to struggle to defend their position. Worse, of our rotation players, only KCP had the physical tools and desire to play consistent defense all year. Drummond obviously has boatloads of physical talent, but he's currently not dominating the paint defensively the way he does for rebounds. Monroe is frequently in bad matchups. Smith is out of position. Jennings just gives up on pick and rolls. So, predictably, we have guys getting beat a lot. That is bad, but just gets worse when nobody is rotating to help. And that is where the chemistry issue really comes in. We let a bad matchup turn into a complete defensive collapse.

[Clarity]

This guy is clueless, talking about fixing problems and not a word about defense in his whole post. All he talks about is how to improve the offense of a team that scored 101 ppg, with no mention of how to fix a defense that gave up 105 ppg.

It sounds like Lions fans who think drafting more WRs is the key to the super bowl, despite avg 25 ppg on offense last year, while giving up 24 ppg on defense and can't stop anyone.

Ironic you comment being your obsession with the urban myth that is Monroe not working with Drummond offensively. however you wouldnt be you if you didnt I guess.

& the Lions suck because Stafford is a turnover machine.

And the funny thing is about people bemoaning the fact that Monroe is going to get paid, at the very worst, he'll be that same 16/10 player in which any team in the league would take a chance with. We're not getting anything worthwhile longterm if we do S&T him. The arguably, best way to have better trade value from Monroe if the twin towers don't work out, is to extend him and then trade him. Some people act like Monroe is going to rot on the bench like CV did.

Honestly, it really is cognitive dissonance. I joke about it a lot of times, but it really is, and it's also sad.

Good Post.