Look on the Bright side... (J Smoove)

[theBigLip]

Based on 2014 play, who was the best 2013 free agent signing at SF?

Good question.

[theBigLip]

Based on 2014 play, who was the best 2013 free agent signing at SF?

Good question.

Iggy
Korver
Webster

[bballnmike]

At least Josh Smith costs more and has a longer contract than Tayshaun?

[GreekAlex]

Or "C" still trade Tayshaun, but not sign Josh Smith. Sometimes, just because you have money doesn't mean you have to spend it. Thank you Gores for the playoffs or bust statement, thank you Dumars for not trying to inflict common sense.

Yes, this is obviously A, B & C as a first choice ... I was just saying given the choice of Tayshaun vs Smith.

I think we can ALL agree giving the young core another season to develop and evaluate what piece could be added to best compliment their talents and disguise their weaknesses would have been the best move.

[GreekAlex]

As much as people dislike Josh, I'd rather have him at 13M/per for 4 years than Tayshaun for 2 years at 8M/per.

Agreed, I prefer Smith over a lot of players. Once we get a good coach our team will develop an identity and Smith will help Monroe/Drummond grow. Just like my dude BMP says, Josh Smith will prove you guys wrong!

Yes, I agree a winning culture, strong front office and identity will go a long way in terms of utilizing J. Smiths talents correctly.

My only concern is what he brings to the table leadership wise and age wise.

You see when we were building the 2004 championship team the veterans we had leading up to the peak years like Cliff Robinson for example were of a different mold than J. Smith.

Cliff filled a role at a reasonable salary, high basketball IQ, played solid D, was a better 3 point shooter and with the size of his contract he was only viewed as a medium size piece to the puzzle. When the Pistons had developed beyond needing him, he was easily moved.

I don't see J. Smith this way because when you make nearly a max salary and are solely depend on your athleticism it makes it much harder to find a match for his talents. He can be successful in a team environment but not here the way the team is currently constructed and by the time the new front office figures out how to use him, I believe he will not even be beneficial at that stage of the younger players development.

[kurtis48239]

How many more of the same threads will be created this off season.

[GreekAlex]

How many more of the same threads will be created this off season.

LOL... I never mentioned Moose... I forgot all threads turn into this.

[Uncle Mxy]

Based on 2014 play, who was the best 2013 free agent signing at SF?

Iggy !

Depends on your point of view. Paying 12 million/year for someone scoring 9 ppg/4 rpg/4 apg who missed 20 games? And he's on the wrong side of 30? I agree he would've been a better signing but certainly no slam dunk.

[Ghost]

I don't care. The more I have thought about it, I don't like Monroe or Smith. However, we're probably stuck with Smith, we're not stuck with Monroe. One thing is for sure and that is having all three (Drummond, Monroe, Smith) is a disaster. So at this point, I'm all for moving Monroe because we get railed with another large contract. If we can move Smith too, that'd be a bonus.

[BadMofoPimp]

I think Monroe when he hits his prime will be much better than he is now. Gotta keep this cat.

[Ghost]

How many more of the same threads will be created this off season.

MANY. Till either something happens or nothing happens...then thread will be made predicting how it would work out or what new future move possibilities have been opened up.

[Neptune]

As much as people dislike Josh, I'd rather have him at 13M/per for 4 years than Tayshaun for 2 years at 8M/per.

Agreed, I prefer Smith over a lot of players. Once we get a good coach our team will develop an identity and Smith will help Monroe/Drummond grow. Just like my dude BMP says, Josh Smith will prove you guys wrong!

Yes, I agree a winning culture, strong front office and identity will go a long way in terms of utilizing J. Smiths talents correctly.

My only concern is what he brings to the table leadership wise and age wise.

You see when we were building the 2004 championship team the veterans we had leading up to the peak years like Cliff Robinson for example were of a different mold than J. Smith.

Cliff filled a role at a reasonable salary, high basketball IQ, played solid D, was a better 3 point shooter and with the size of his contract he was only viewed as a medium size piece to the puzzle. When the Pistons had developed beyond needing him, he was easily moved.

I don't see J. Smith this way because when you make nearly a max salary and are solely depend on your athleticism it makes it much harder to find a match for his talents. He can be successful in a team environment but not here the way the team is currently constructed and by the time the new front office figures out how to use him, I believe he will not even be beneficial at that stage of the younger players development.

Smith brings toughness. If you watched most Piston games this season you would have seen Smith screaming at Monroe and Drummond when they slipped on defensive rotations. I believe that could have been seen as leadership. I had never seen Drummond as vocal as he was this season(look at our last game against OKC). Our young bigs need an older guy who gives them tough-love.

Smith can be beneficial if we get more pieces that fits his style of play and use more box sets. For example:
PG-shooter/distributor
SG-shooter
SF-Smith-part-time/back-up SF-defender/decent shooter
PF-Smith-part-time
C-offensive big/defensive big

Think of Smith being used like Dennis Rodman. He's supposed to be our trash-man,defender, and extra rebounder at the 3. Then at the 4 he's supposed more offensive. When Smith gets older I expect him to come off the bench behind Monroe. Our 4/5 rotation is supposed to set for a while if our team hires a good coach to make it work.

[MotownMadness]

I don't care. The more I have thought about it, I don't like Monroe or Smith. However, we're probably stuck with Smith, we're not stuck with Monroe. One thing is for sure and that is having all three (Drummond, Monroe, Smith) is a disaster. So at this point, I'm all for moving Monroe because we get railed with another large contract. If we can move Smith too, that'd be a bonus.

That's kinda where I'm at on the situation as well. I would rather have Monroe than Smith but that's not likely. So signing Monroe to a max deal that he's not worth to us at the moment would be a very bad idea. But we cannot afford to go into the season with both Jennings and Smith either because you definatly can't win with the two biggest chuckers in the league. The New GM has his work cut out for him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Monroe ain't getting any Max deal from anyone. Probably around $12 mil per like Smith.

[kurtis48239]

How many more of the same threads will be created this off season.

MANY. Till either something happens or nothing happens...then thread will be made predicting how it would work out or what new future move possibilities have been opened up.

lol

[kurtis48239]

How many more of the same threads will be created this off season.

LOL... I never mentioned Moose... I forgot all threads turn into this.

Yuppers.