Ultimate Offseason...

[Sheedpocalypse]

Too bad they ain't handing out Coach Pops like candy though

[Pharaoh]

Gores could have hired Bud last off-season

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[kurtis48239]

Hire a competent ,take no bull coach (cough,bill lambier)Hire anyone but thomas/Colangelo as GM,draft saric and slid him in at sf (see how he does) sign and trade moose ass outta here,sign lowry,sign couple of bench guys.

[Pharaoh]

Hire a competent ,take no bull coach (cough,bill lambier)Hire anyone but thomas/Colangelo as GM,draft saric and slid him in at sf (see how he does) sign and trade moose ass outta here,sign lowry,sign couple of bench guys.

So you solve the "too many PFs" issue but create a "too many PGs" issue....interesting!

I do like the idea of drafting Saric though

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[Clarity]

I brought him up simply because he was a guy who looked good in college. I wasn't being any more specific than that. My point is, Randle 'looks good' but isn't good. At least, not lottery pick good.

And trust me, I've watched tons of college Bball, no need to watch any more.

In any event, why Randle? He can't do anything but drive and rebound. He doesn't have good physical tools. He hasn't demonstrated ability as a shooter or passer. What's the appeal?

18 & 12 & downright dominant in many games. Thats incredibly rare for a 19 year old freshman, hes a killer. That alone would likely make him a lottery pick.

He has great size & strength for a PF, the kid plays strong around the rim which is huge! Can kill you both attacking from the high post & with his back to the basket. His face up game is outstanding, he uses tons of spins & fakes & has plenty enough athleticism to beat most defenders. Great ball handling. Very comparable to Greg Monroe in that he never settles, he usually fights to get the highest percentage shot he can get.

Phenomenal rebounder, 16 boards per 40, is a terror on the offensive glass. He also gets to the line a ton & hits FTs at a 75% clip. Defensively, he has potential, plenty enough lateral quickness to check most pro PF's.

Plus as I have mentioned again, there arent many great defenders at the PF position. Aldridge, not so much, Love, terrible, Griffin, terrible, ZBo, terrible. We all want every player we have to be both an efficient offensive player & a lock down defensive player but thats simply not reality 9 times out of 10.

Randle would actually be an upgrade to Monroe on defense, obviously Monroe is already a proven All Star level big offensively & still 4 or 5 years from his prime but if this franchise was hell bent on moving Monroe for whatever reason & we took Randle to replace him as our starting 4 I could live with that.

[The Penguin]

This makes us a playoff team this year:

1) Hire SVG as coach

2) Monroe S&T for Ryan Anderson

3) Sign Luol Deng

4) Draft Marcus Smart



Smart/Jennings/Bynum/Siva
KCP/Singler
Deng/Datome/Mitchell
Smith/Anderson/Jerebko
Drummond/WARM BODY VET/Harrelson

[Notanoob]

I'd rather not sign Deng. The guy is going to be expensive, he cannot shoot and he really had no impact on the Cavs despite the fact that the Cavs had essentially nothing at SF before they traded for him. We should look elsewhere.

[The Penguin]

I'd rather not sign Deng. The guy is going to be expensive, he cannot shoot and he really had no impact on the Cavs despite the fact that the Cavs had essentially nothing at SF before they traded for him. We should look elsewhere.

SVG had Ariza in Orlando.

[Natopher]

I'd LOVE to get Ariza. He's the #1 guy I want us to go after this offseason. I also would like to get Marcus Smart (I think he's pretty underrated by a lot of people, but I've been wrong before) but I don't wanna S&T Monroe for another PF.

[Notanoob]

I don't think that we have to sign a SF this offseason, as much as I'd love to upgrade there. In another season, Leonard, Jimmy Butler, and Kris Middleton will be restricted free agents, and Gerald Green will be an unrestricted free agent. We don't have to blow all of our money now, we can wait a season and possibly get a better, younger player instead.

[Notanoob]

18 & 12 & downright dominant in many games. Thats incredibly rare for a 19 year old freshman, hes a killer. That alone would likely make him a lottery pick.

Meaningless buzzwords. He averaged 15 and 10 by the way, not 18 and 12, but go ahead and lie when I can look up the numbers myself. His numbers were matched by guys like Michael Beasley, Kris Humphries, Quentin Richardson, Chris Gaston, Eddie Griffin, and Shawn Long in their freshman years.

He has great size & strength for a PF, the kid plays strong around the rim which is huge! Can kill you both attacking from the high post & with his back to the basket. His face up game is outstanding, he uses tons of spins & fakes & has plenty enough athleticism to beat most defenders. Great ball handling. Very comparable to Greg Monroe in that he never settles, he usually fights to get the highest percentage shot he can get.

He does not have great size, unless you mean width. His height, wingspan and reach are all on the small side. He does have good strength, which is different.

His back to the basket game was ineffective in college (there's a reason they stopped posting him up so much the second half of the year), so I don't expect it to be more effective against longer, stronger guys.

So he's got a face up game. I've said that much.

Phenomenal rebounder, 16 boards per 40, is a terror on the offensive glass. He also gets to the line a ton & hits FTs at a 75% clip. Defensively, he has potential, plenty enough lateral quickness to check most pro PF's.

Yes, I also said that he can rebound. Fantastic, it isn't as though we already are one of the best rebounding teams in the league. He hit is FTs at a 70.6% clip, stop lying to me about something I can check.

And this is you're problem evaluating Randle- you think that he can play defense. Lateral quickness is not the only necessary ingredient to guarding guys in the NBA. You need a good reach (which he does not have), good instincts (his are downright terrible), and an understanding of team defense (which he does not yet have). This guy sucks at defense and will suck in the NBA. Watch for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-h6SMSDgfA

From a statistical perspective, his steals+blocks numbers also suggest that he'll be a poor defender in the NBA.

Plus as I have mentioned again, there arent many great defenders at the PF position. Aldridge, not so much, Love, terrible, Griffin, terrible, ZBo, terrible. We all want every player we have to be both an efficient offensive player & a lock down defensive player but thats simply not reality 9 times out of 10.

Not only are you underrating the defensive abilities of most of these guys (not Love, he is bad, gunning for rebounds instead of watching his man), but you're also ignoring the critical differences between them and Randle. LMA, Love, and Griffin are all many times the offensive player that Randle is with much more diverse weapons to score on offense, not to mention they've all shown some ability to shoot. ZBo isn't of their caliber as an offensive player, but he has a better skillset and superior physical tool (namely, his better post up game and extremely long arms). Randle has not shown a jump shot yet, and we don't have much reason to believe that he'll have on in the NBA over anyone else who didn't take a lot of jumpers in college.

Look, I agree that we can't have stud defenders at every position-I'm all about keeping Moose-but we don't need sieves unless their offensive contributions clearly outweigh their defensive lapses, and Randle's offensive game isn't nearly as good as the guys you're comparing him to, who are mostly better defenders.

Randle would actually be an upgrade to Monroe on defense, obviously Monroe is already a proven All Star level big offensively & still 4 or 5 years from his prime but if this franchise was hell bent on moving Monroe for whatever reason & we took Randle to replace him as our starting 4 I could live with that.

Randle is an inferior player to Monroe and will be in the pros. Both can face up and rebound, but Randle's post game is poor compared to Moose's; Randle has shown no ability to pass the ball and is going to be worse than Monroe on defense. You are simply dead wrong about his defense. He doesn't know how to play it and will be exposed in the NBA.

Now let me make it clear that I while I am not a fan of Randle's, his face up game and rebounding are good enough to keep him in the NBA. I presume that he'll develop and improve, and he will certainly be a rotation player, but he is not what we need and he is not the stud that he was built up to be.

[Clarity]

18 & 12 & downright dominant in many games. Thats incredibly rare for a 19 year old freshman, hes a killer. That alone would likely make him a lottery pick.

Meaningless buzzwords. He averaged 15 and 10 by the way, not 18 and 12, but go ahead and lie when I can look up the numbers myself. His numbers were matched by guys like Michael Beasley, Kris Humphries, Quentin Richardson, Chris Gaston, Eddie Griffin, and Shawn Long in their freshman years.

He has great size & strength for a PF, the kid plays strong around the rim which is huge! Can kill you both attacking from the high post & with his back to the basket. His face up game is outstanding, he uses tons of spins & fakes & has plenty enough athleticism to beat most defenders. Great ball handling. Very comparable to Greg Monroe in that he never settles, he usually fights to get the highest percentage shot he can get.

He does not have great size, unless you mean width. His height, wingspan and reach are all on the small side. He does have good strength, which is different.

His back to the basket game was ineffective in college (there's a reason they stopped posting him up so much the second half of the year), so I don't expect it to be more effective against longer, stronger guys.

So he's got a face up game. I've said that much.

Phenomenal rebounder, 16 boards per 40, is a terror on the offensive glass. He also gets to the line a ton & hits FTs at a 75% clip. Defensively, he has potential, plenty enough lateral quickness to check most pro PF's.

Yes, I also said that he can rebound. Fantastic, it isn't as though we already are one of the best rebounding teams in the league. He hit is FTs at a 70.6% clip, stop lying to me about something I can check.

And this is you're problem evaluating Randle- you think that he can play defense. Lateral quickness is not the only necessary ingredient to guarding guys in the NBA. You need a good reach (which he does not have), good instincts (his are downright terrible), and an understanding of team defense (which he does not yet have). This guy sucks at defense and will suck in the NBA. Watch for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-h6SMSDgfA

From a statistical perspective, his steals+blocks numbers also suggest that he'll be a poor defender in the NBA.

Plus as I have mentioned again, there arent many great defenders at the PF position. Aldridge, not so much, Love, terrible, Griffin, terrible, ZBo, terrible. We all want every player we have to be both an efficient offensive player & a lock down defensive player but thats simply not reality 9 times out of 10.

Not only are you underrating the defensive abilities of most of these guys (not Love, he is bad, gunning for rebounds instead of watching his man), but you're also ignoring the critical differences between them and Randle. LMA, Love, and Griffin are all many times the offensive player that Randle is with much more diverse weapons to score on offense, not to mention they've all shown some ability to shoot. ZBo isn't of their caliber as an offensive player, but he has a better skillset and superior physical tool (namely, his better post up game and extremely long arms). Randle has not shown a jump shot yet, and we don't have much reason to believe that he'll have on in the NBA over anyone else who didn't take a lot of jumpers in college.

Look, I agree that we can't have stud defenders at every position-I'm all about keeping Moose-but we don't need sieves unless their offensive contributions clearly outweigh their defensive lapses, and Randle's offensive game isn't nearly as good as the guys you're comparing him to, who are mostly better defenders.

Randle would actually be an upgrade to Monroe on defense, obviously Monroe is already a proven All Star level big offensively & still 4 or 5 years from his prime but if this franchise was hell bent on moving Monroe for whatever reason & we took Randle to replace him as our starting 4 I could live with that.

Randle is an inferior player to Monroe and will be in the pros. Both can face up and rebound, but Randle's post game is poor compared to Moose's; Randle has shown no ability to pass the ball and is going to be worse than Monroe on defense. You are simply dead wrong about his defense. He doesn't know how to play it and will be exposed in the NBA.

Now let me make it clear that I while I am not a fan of Randle's, his face up game and rebounding are good enough to keep him in the NBA. I presume that he'll develop and improve, and he will certainly be a rotation player, but he is not what we need and he is not the stud that he was built up to be.

My apologies on the averages, I dont know what I was looking at. 15 & 10 is still very nice, especially in some of the games he downright dominated.

I didnt say he could defend, I said he has defensive potential which has been noted by nearly every scout out there as well. You are evaluating him as a finished prospect at 19. I was commenting on potential which is obviously just a word but I love Randle's potential.

I agree with you overall though, Monroe is the much better player & obviously we would be idiotic to let him go.

[Notanoob]

His defensive potential isn't good though- poor reach compounded by average hops, poor wingspan compounded by poor awareness. Poor steals+blocks numbers. That video I linked in my post. They all suggest that he will continue to be a bad defender.