Report: Stan Van Gundy will not re-sign Greg Monroe

[MotownMadness]

Damn Paco, if you're going to make up quotes for you sig at least don't butcher the English language so badly that its that obvious its you lol

Trying too hard.

"Griffen is are how basketball no"

[Q00]

Duncan isn't really a stretch 4. He just has a reliable mid-range and most of the time he doesn't use it. CV, Anderson, Bosh, Dirk, Illaysova, and Markieff Morris are example of stretch 4's.

Monroe can work as our 4. He just needs to put more work into that mid-range so our opponents defense will play honest.

A stretch 4 is really any PF who can pick and pop and stretch the defense. It doesn't have to necessarily be a 3 pt shooter. Guys, like Duncan, McDyess, LMA, etc the great midrange shooters are such a threat from that area that the defense has to honor them. In effect, stretching the defense out of the paint.

Monroe has been working on that midrange shot for 4 years though, and hasn't improved much at all. If he develops a consistant pick and pop game, it will be a bonus, but I wouldn't re-sign him expecting him to become that type of player.

[paQo the BAWSER]

You can't stand in front of me without your dogs. I wonder if you f**k your as*es to each others. But still sadly you got to use the language for your nerd jokes

[DetroitSho]

You can't stand in front of me without your dogs. I wonder if you f**k your as*es to each others. But still sadly you got to use the language for your nerd jokes

How is this type of crap not banned?

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[paQo the BAWSER]

You can't stand in front of me without your dogs. I wonder if you f**k your as*es to each others. But still sadly you got to use the language for your nerd jokes

How is this type of crap not banned?

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And1, FV and RT for this!

[rmfc]

What just happened?

[DetroitSho]

Duncan isn't really a stretch 4. He just has a reliable mid-range and most of the time he doesn't use it. CV, Anderson, Bosh, Dirk, Illaysova, and Markieff Morris are example of stretch 4's.

Monroe can work as our 4. He just needs to put more work into that mid-range so our opponents defense will play honest.

A stretch 4 is really any PF who can pick and pop and stretch the defense. It doesn't have to necessarily be a 3 pt shooter. Guys, like Duncan, McDyess, LMA, etc the great midrange shooters are such a threat from that area that the defense has to honor them. In effect, stretching the defense out of the paint.

Monroe has been working on that midrange shot for 4 years though, and hasn't improved much at all. If he develops a consistant pick and pop game, it will be a bonus, but I wouldn't re-sign him expecting him to become that type of player.

People long for the novelty of a stretch 4 so much that they forgot what a prototypical PF is. If you looked up prototypical PF up in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Duncan, McDyess and LA. A PF is SUPPOSED to hit midrangers at a good rate, is that not why you guys got on Moose? According to this forum, you're playing PF and can't pick and pop, then you're not a PF. But if you CAN pick and pop, you're a Stretch 4. Then WTF is a Power Forward then? Has people seriously forgotten what a PF is? And I mean your basic everyday PF.

Let me say this, a Stretch 4 is a cute way of saying tweener, period point blank. People thought Orlando was crazy giving Rashard all that money to play the 4, but now all of a sudden everyone wants version 2.0 of him. Just wow.

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[theBigLip]

You can't stand in front of me without your dogs. I wonder if you f**k your as*es to each others. But still sadly you got to use the language for your nerd jokes

How is this type of crap not banned?

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It did not go unnoticed.

[Clarity]

"Griffen is are how basketball no"

crying

How is this type of crap not banned?

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People get mad when you hit them with facts.

What just happened?

I say this regularly on here.

People long for the novelty of a stretch 4 so much that they forgot what a prototypical PF is. If you looked up prototypical PF up in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Duncan, McDyess and LA. A PF is SUPPOSED to hit midrangers at a good rate, is that not why you guys got on Moose? According to this forum, you're playing PF and can't pick and pop, then you're not a PF. But if you CAN pick and pop, you're a Stretch 4. Then WTF is a Power Forward then? Has people seriously forgotten what a PF is? And I mean your basic everyday PF.

Let me say this, a Stretch 4 is a cute way of saying tweener, period point blank. People thought Orlando was crazy giving Rashard all that money to play the 4, but now all of a sudden everyone wants version 2.0 of him. Just wow.

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You are becoming one of my favorite posters man.

[Neptune]

That wasn't right how you guys treated Paqo. It's clear he's not fluent in English. Hopefully we'll see you again soon Paqo.

Duncan isn't really a stretch 4. He just has a reliable mid-range and most of the time he doesn't use it. CV, Anderson, Bosh, Dirk, Illaysova, and Markieff Morris are example of stretch 4's.

Monroe can work as our 4. He just needs to put more work into that mid-range so our opponents defense will play honest.

A stretch 4 is really any PF who can pick and pop and stretch the defense. It doesn't have to necessarily be a 3 pt shooter. Guys, like Duncan, McDyess, LMA, etc the great midrange shooters are such a threat from that area that the defense has to honor them. In effect, stretching the defense out of the paint.

Monroe has been working on that midrange shot for 4 years though, and hasn't improved much at all. If he develops a consistant pick and pop game, it will be a bonus, but I wouldn't re-sign him expecting him to become that type of player.

People long for the novelty of a stretch 4 so much that they forgot what a prototypical PF is. If you looked up prototypical PF up in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Duncan, McDyess and LA. A PF is SUPPOSED to hit midrangers at a good rate, is that not why you guys got on Moose? According to this forum, you're playing PF and can't pick and pop, then you're not a PF. But if you CAN pick and pop, you're a Stretch 4. Then WTF is a Power Forward then? Has people seriously forgotten what a PF is? And I mean your basic everyday PF.

Let me say this, a Stretch 4 is a cute way of saying tweener, period point blank. People thought Orlando was crazy giving Rashard all that money to play the 4, but now all of a sudden everyone wants version 2.0 of him. Just wow.

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I gotta side with DetroitSho on this one. Stretch 4's can really stretch the floor, and when I say that I mean they stretch the defense to the 3pt line. They're basically 4/3's.

[epheisey]

Don't you know, Smith/Melo/Rondo are all boys. We are going to win the lotto to get Wiggins, then Melo will come this summer and Rondo will come next summer.


Drummond
Smith
Melo
Wiggins
Rondo


*assuming we can dump Jennings as an expiring we actually have the flexibility to pull this off.

This is a fun hypothetical. How far do you think that team would go? I'd say we'd get bounced by the Heat in the ECF.

The paint would be so clogged with Smith/Drummond and the other 3 constantly driving to the basket. The names sound cool, but I doubt that would work.

[Q00]

That wasn't right how you guys treated Paqo. It's clear he's not fluent in English. Hopefully we'll see you again soon Paqo.

A stretch 4 is really any PF who can pick and pop and stretch the defense. It doesn't have to necessarily be a 3 pt shooter. Guys, like Duncan, McDyess, LMA, etc the great midrange shooters are such a threat from that area that the defense has to honor them. In effect, stretching the defense out of the paint.

Monroe has been working on that midrange shot for 4 years though, and hasn't improved much at all. If he develops a consistant pick and pop game, it will be a bonus, but I wouldn't re-sign him expecting him to become that type of player.

People long for the novelty of a stretch 4 so much that they forgot what a prototypical PF is. If you looked up prototypical PF up in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Duncan, McDyess and LA. A PF is SUPPOSED to hit midrangers at a good rate, is that not why you guys got on Moose? According to this forum, you're playing PF and can't pick and pop, then you're not a PF. But if you CAN pick and pop, you're a Stretch 4. Then WTF is a Power Forward then? Has people seriously forgotten what a PF is? And I mean your basic everyday PF.

Let me say this, a Stretch 4 is a cute way of saying tweener, period point blank. People thought Orlando was crazy giving Rashard all that money to play the 4, but now all of a sudden everyone wants version 2.0 of him. Just wow.

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I gotta side with DetroitSho on this one. Stretch 4's can really stretch the floor, and when I say that I mean they stretch the defense to the 3pt line. They're basically 4/3's.

Everyone has their own definition, but Stretch 4 just means a PF who can shoot to me, and no the prototypical PF was not always a shooting position. Its called a "power" forward for a reason. Most were power post players back in the day not jumpshooters.

Monroe isn't a PF not just because he can't shoot, its because he can't defend the position. His inability to shoot is just an additional liability on offense, but ultimately you win with defense. So I wouldn't care about his lack of shooting if he was a good defender. I would just use him in the post and get other players around him to do the shooting/stretching the defense. If he's a liablity o defense though it doesn't really matter how you use him on offense because you won't win much anyways.

If Stan can coach Monroe into a good defender, then he's an even better coach than I thought and I would have no problem resigning him and just using him as a post player on offense. Not wanting to resign Monroe for me has nothing to do with offense. Its about wanting to build a great defense and not being sold on being able to do that with him. If Stan is confident he can do it and gets it done, great, but I think its a big risk to take at the price he's going to command. II think it would be wiser to just spend less on a proven defender.

[theBigLip]

That wasn't right how you guys treated Paqo. It's clear he's not fluent in English. Hopefully we'll see you again soon Paqo.

It was right. It wasn't his use of English but his rude personal attack. Anyway, it is just a 12 hour ban so hopefully we can all move forward.

[Joe Berry]

That wasn't right how you guys treated Paqo. It's clear he's not fluent in English. Hopefully we'll see you again soon Paqo.

People long for the novelty of a stretch 4 so much that they forgot what a prototypical PF is. If you looked up prototypical PF up in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Duncan, McDyess and LA. A PF is SUPPOSED to hit midrangers at a good rate, is that not why you guys got on Moose? According to this forum, you're playing PF and can't pick and pop, then you're not a PF. But if you CAN pick and pop, you're a Stretch 4. Then WTF is a Power Forward then? Has people seriously forgotten what a PF is? And I mean your basic everyday PF.

Let me say this, a Stretch 4 is a cute way of saying tweener, period point blank. People thought Orlando was crazy giving Rashard all that money to play the 4, but now all of a sudden everyone wants version 2.0 of him. Just wow.

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I gotta side with DetroitSho on this one. Stretch 4's can really stretch the floor, and when I say that I mean they stretch the defense to the 3pt line. They're basically 4/3's.

Everyone has their own definition, but Stretch 4 just means a PF who can shoot to me, and no the prototypical PF was not always a shooting position. Its called a "power" forward for a reason. Most were power post players back in the day not jumpshooters.

Monroe isn't a PF not just because he can't shoot, its because he can't defend the position. His inability to shoot is just an additional liability on offense, but ultimately you win with defense. So I wouldn't care about his lack of shooting if he was a good defender. I would just use him in the post and get other players around him to do the shooting/stretching the defense. If he's a liablity o defense though it doesn't really matter how you use him on offense because you won't win much anyways.

If Stan can coach Monroe into a good defender, then he's an even better coach than I thought and I would have no problem resigning Monroe and just using him as a post player on offense. Not wanting to resign Monroe for me has nothing to do with offense. Its about wanting to build a great defense and not being sold on being able to do that with Monroe. If Stan is confident he can do it and gets it done, great, but I think its a big risk to take at the price he's going to command. II think it would be wiser to just spend less on a proven defender.

Those Orlando teams were always top notch defensively and its not like Rashard Lewis or Ryan Anderson were defensiv juggernauts. We all know Greg is not the greatest defender but i trust SvG defensiv system. If Monroe can work well in that system i think he still could do just fine defensively even if he won't ever become an above average defender anytime soon.

[princeofpalace]

Those Orlando teams were always top notch defensively and its not like Rashard Lewis or Ryan Anderson were defensiv juggernauts. We all know Greg is not the greatest defender but i trust SvG defensiv system. If Monroe can work well in that system i think he still could do just fine defensively even if he won't ever become an above average defender anytime soon.

And just think about how Stan Van Gundy's disciple Steve Clifford makes Al Jefferson look on defense. I have little doubt that SVG will do the same for our team.

I cannot stress how happy I am right now, I can't wait to see how it all shakes out.

[DetroitSho]

That wasn't right how you guys treated Paqo. It's clear he's not fluent in English. Hopefully we'll see you again soon Paqo.

People long for the novelty of a stretch 4 so much that they forgot what a prototypical PF is. If you looked up prototypical PF up in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Duncan, McDyess and LA. A PF is SUPPOSED to hit midrangers at a good rate, is that not why you guys got on Moose? According to this forum, you're playing PF and can't pick and pop, then you're not a PF. But if you CAN pick and pop, you're a Stretch 4. Then WTF is a Power Forward then? Has people seriously forgotten what a PF is? And I mean your basic everyday PF.

Let me say this, a Stretch 4 is a cute way of saying tweener, period point blank. People thought Orlando was crazy giving Rashard all that money to play the 4, but now all of a sudden everyone wants version 2.0 of him. Just wow.

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I gotta side with DetroitSho on this one. Stretch 4's can really stretch the floor, and when I say that I mean they stretch the defense to the 3pt line. They're basically 4/3's.

Everyone has their own definition, but Stretch 4 just means a PF who can shoot to me, and no the prototypical PF was not always a shooting position. Its called a "power" forward for a reason. Most were power post players back in the day not jumpshooters.

Monroe isn't a PF not just because he can't shoot, its because he can't defend the position. His inability to shoot is just an additional liability on offense, but ultimately you win with defense. So I wouldn't care about his lack of shooting if he was a good defender. I would just use him in the post and get other players around him to do the shooting/stretching the defense. If he's a liablity o defense though it doesn't really matter how you use him on offense because you won't win much anyways.

If Stan can coach Monroe into a good defender, then he's an even better coach than I thought and I would have no problem resigning him and just using him as a post player on offense. Not wanting to resign Monroe for me has nothing to do with offense. Its about wanting to build a great defense and not being sold on being able to do that with him. If Stan is confident he can do it and gets it done, great, but I think its a big risk to take at the price he's going to command. II think it would be wiser to just spend less on a proven defender.

A PF is already supposed to shoot. So why would a PF that can shoot be given a special name outlining an inherent skill of the position. It's redundant to say a PF that can shoot. They're supposed to, right? What's next, a cop that carries a gun?

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[Q00]

Those Orlando teams were always top notch defensively and its not like Rashard Lewis or Ryan Anderson were defensiv juggernauts. We all know Greg is not the greatest defender but i trust SvG defensiv system. If Monroe can work well in that system i think he still could do just fine defensively even if he won't ever become an above average defender anytime soon.

Lewis/Turkoglu were at least athletically equipped to guard jumpshooters on the perimeter though, which is one of my main concerns of Monroe at PF defensively. Also that team never did win a championship, which is my whole gripe with Monroe, that I don't think you can win a championship with his defense. You can hide players enough to win regular season games and a few rounds in the playoffs, but they eventually get exposed. Part of the reason Orlando lost to the Lakers 4-1 in those Finals was because Lewis/Turkoglu couldn't guard Gasol who avg 19 and 9 on 60% FG that series. Its those things that concern me about Monroe because if he's giving up those kind of numbers at PF in a playoff series that can cost us a championship.

Of course that's thinking way ahead and probably shouldn't be concerned about that right now, but I kind of expect that we'll be back in the playoffs soon, and if we're resigning him to a 4 year contract his defense could be the thing that gets us sent home early every year for the next 4 years.

Seeing what Houston just went through with a liability like Harden should make people even more weary of resigning Monroe. That could just easily be us next year, with Monroe getting youtube vids making fun of his defense and us going home in the 1st round with HCA.

[Invictus88]

Those Orlando teams were always top notch defensively and its not like Rashard Lewis or Ryan Anderson were defensiv juggernauts. We all know Greg is not the greatest defender but i trust SvG defensiv system. If Monroe can work well in that system i think he still could do just fine defensively even if he won't ever become an above average defender anytime soon.

Lewis/Turkoglu were at least athletically equipped to guard jumpshooters on the perimeter though, which is one of my main concerns of Monroe at PF defensively. Also that team never did win a championship, which is my whole gripe with Monroe, that I don't think you can win a championship with his defense. You can hide players enough to win regular season games and a few rounds in the playoffs, but they eventually get exposed. Part of the reason Orlando lost to the Lakers 4-1 in those Finals was because Lewis/Turkoglu couldn't guard Gasol who avg 19 and 9 on 60% FG that series. Its those things that concern me about Monroe because if he's giving up those kind of numbers at PF in a playoff series that can cost us a championship.

Of course that's thinking way ahead and probably shouldn't be concerned about that right now, but I kind of expect that we'll be back in the playoffs soon, and if we're resigning him to a 4 year contract his defense could be the thing that gets us sent home early every year for the next 4 years.

Seeing what Houston just went through with a liability like Harden should make people even more weary of resigning Monroe. That could just easily be us next year, with Monroe getting youtube vids making fun of his defense and us going home in the 1st round with HCA.

I'm going to go out on a limb and make the claim that it's more feasible for:

A coach to come in and install a defensive mentality / system that improves players' defense or at the very minimum compensates for specific weaknesses

than:

Finding a big man who is proficient on offense, has solid low post and passing skills, has an improving short-midrange jumper, can rebound, is young, doesn't have an attitude problem, and is willing to sign with the Pistons.

I'm not trying to claim that installing a defense is easy by any means but I think we can all point to prior examples where this has been done before -- even ones involving SVG that we just hired.

I can't really come up with anyone who matches the description for the second part besides Monroe.