Monroe/JSmoove for Love?

[DBC10]

It ain't going to happen but it's a nice dream though.

All-stars to Superstars will consider LA, HOU, CHI, GSW, or NY before any other team. Teams like us offer the max but it only falls on deaf ears since we're still a rebuild team.

No thanks to offering Monroe, since it wouldn't be nearly enough for Love. Wolves fan want more and we can't package Monroe plus players and etc. And Josh is a sunk cost that has negative value unlike Monroe who averages a double double and is only 24 years old.

[MotownMadness]

Im hoping Phoenix trades for him with all those draft picks. Then they probably wont match a big offer for Bledsoe seeing as they will have to pay Love and Dragic.

[HotelVitale]

I think a great offer for Melo could be so much better for us. I think Melo is better at PF than SF, and he could be absolutely great playing next to Drummond.
Monroe+Smith+Jennings+Bynum+8th x Melo+Shumpert+Stoudamire could be an insane trade for us. Nearly impossible anyway.

People really still think that Melo is a better player than Love?

[HotelVitale]

Im hoping Phoenix trades for him with all those draft picks. Then they probably wont match a big offer for Bledsoe seeing as they will have to pay Love and Dragic.

Love nixes that team, especially since they'd probably have to throw in Markieff or Len. Dragic and Love and no other high-level talent--that's no better than his current situation. And I know y'all are mostly from the midwest, but PHX aint in Southern California, and it's not a particularly nice or interesting place (imagine if Oakland County was surrounded by desert.)

[tradez401]

we have 0 to give wolves for love. Even though it'd be awesome having a love/drummond frontcourt its not happening

[paQo the BAWSER]

I think a great offer for Melo could be so much better for us. I think Melo is better at PF than SF, and he could be absolutely great playing next to Drummond.
Monroe+Smith+Jennings+Bynum+8th x Melo+Shumpert+Stoudamire could be an insane trade for us. Nearly impossible anyway.

People really still think that Melo is a better player than Love?

Love can't create his own shot. He's inefficient as hell in the 4th quarter. He's not as good as people think rebounding the ball, he just leave his man shoot and goes for the rebound. And he hasn't got a good post game. He's great at the offensive rebound and shooting, but just it. Melo isn't good at defense but he's far from the black hole Love is. So yes, Melo is a way better player than Love. The real problem of Carmelo is he was so stupid and he thought he could win alone. If he had looked into stay in a better team and refuse some money, I think he could have won some ring.

[HotelVitale]

People really still think that Melo is a better player than Love?

Love can't create his own shot. He's inefficient as hell in the 4th quarter.

Okay, I should've said 'I can't believe people would rather have Melo than Love now.' First, you're 3 years out of date in your comments about Love not being able to create his own shot--he isn't quick but he bodies up and gets to his spots all game every game. It's like saying Dirk can't create his own shot because he mostly shoots jumpers. Pass Love the ball, and he'll get you an efficient shot.

Melo's shooting is also less efficient (ts% of 56% versus Lov'es 59%) and Melo averaged way fewer assists per game and minute than Love despite totally dominating the ball. Love gets to the FT line more, gets way more second opportunities for his team, and even if Love's rebounding stats are padded a bit, they're monster numbers that clearly blow away Melo's. Love's advanced stats are better (win shares, PER, WARP), he scores more on lower usage.

As for the BS about the 4th quarter (which btw doesn't matter more than the 1st or 2nd or 3rd quarter), Melo shot a bit worse than Love in 'clutch time' according to 82games.com, and in the final possessions of very close games, check out Zach Lowe:
'Love is not the problem here. He’s 12-of-27 in (the closing minutes of close games), with a pile of monster makes — of 31 players who have attempted at least 25 such shots, only LeBron James, Damian Lillard, and Tyreke Evans have hit a higher percentage, per NBA.com. He draws double- and even triple-teams all over the floor in crunch time. The rest of the team is 12-of-49. Rubio is 1-of-5, and two of those attempts came in Minnesota’s first game of the season.'

It's true that Melo is better at taking over games, but he's also way way better at shooting you out of them. If you need a guy to shoot a lot at pretty good efficiency, then Melo is great. But the overall impact is clearly in Love's favor. Also, if there's any doubt left, Melo turns 30 in two days and Love is 25.

[DetroitDon15]

This thread is silly and will go nowhere. We do not need another big man.

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[dan2314]

Only chance is for us to get a top 3 pick and then trade that a long with maybe smith, but most likely moose, and then trade the one we dont give to minny for a SF. However i think in the case of getting the top 3 pick id probably just want to see what we can do with wiggins/parker for ourselves anyway.

[paQo the BAWSER]

People really still think that Melo is a better player than Love?

Love can't create his own shot. He's inefficient as hell in the 4th quarter.

Okay, I should've said 'I can't believe people would rather have Melo than Love now.' First, you're 3 years out of date in your comments about Love not being able to create his own shot--he isn't quick but he bodies up and gets to his spots all game every game. It's like saying Dirk can't create his own shot because he mostly shoots jumpers. Pass Love the ball, and he'll get you an efficient shot.

Melo's shooting is also less efficient (ts% of 56% versus Lov'es 59%) and Melo averaged way fewer assists per game and minute than Love despite totally dominating the ball. Love gets to the FT line more, gets way more second opportunities for his team, and even if Love's rebounding stats are padded a bit, they're monster numbers that clearly blow away Melo's. Love's advanced stats are better (win shares, PER, WARP), he scores more on lower usage.

As for the BS about the 4th quarter (which btw doesn't matter more than the 1st or 2nd or 3rd quarter), Melo shot a bit worse than Love in 'clutch time' according to 82games.com, and in the final possessions of very close games, check out Zach Lowe:
'Love is not the problem here. He’s 12-of-27 in (the closing minutes of close games), with a pile of monster makes — of 31 players who have attempted at least 25 such shots, only LeBron James, Damian Lillard, and Tyreke Evans have hit a higher percentage, per NBA.com. He draws double- and even triple-teams all over the floor in crunch time. The rest of the team is 12-of-49. Rubio is 1-of-5, and two of those attempts came in Minnesota’s first game of the season.'

It's true that Melo is better at taking over games, but he's also way way better at shooting you out of them. If you need a guy to shoot a lot at pretty good efficiency, then Melo is great. But the overall impact is clearly in Love's favor. Also, if there's any doubt left, Melo turns 30 in two days and Love is 25.

It's your opinion, I respect it, but I still think Melo is so much better player than Love. The Love-Dirk comparison isn't good anyway.

[epheisey]

The bummer about this is that Minnesota would probably take a sign and trade Monroe for Kevin Love deal over any other option they're going to see unless the Lakers or Boston land a top 3 pick.

Even though it would only be a 1 year rental....I'd still consider it, if they plan to let Monroe go anyways. Seems like players come to Detroit, and fall in love with the area and the fans. If the Pistons managed to turn in a winning season with him on board, actually compete in a second round series, there'd be a long shot to bring him back.

As for bringing in Melo....No. Just no. He's a man with no balls. The woman runs that man like he's a greyhound at the track. He'll be doing exactly what she says, making her mad cash, until he falls over an dies.

[Q00]

I'd take Melo over Love any day.

The diss on Melo is that he can't get it done in the playoffs. Love can't even get it done in the regular season!

All his stats mean nothing if he doesn't win. Bottom line is Melo is the more talented player and is at least good enough to lead a team TO the playoffs. You can always put more talent around him and better coaching to get a guy deeper in the playoffs, but Love can't even get you there in the first place.

[Pharaoh]

Can't blame Love for the Wolves inability to put talent around him! Dude is a beast and while you can claim his stats include a lot of padding (meaningless boards and points in blow out losses) again that's not ALL his fault.

That said I don't think Melo or Love is a legit option for us.

Given our situation I think we're gonna have to find diamonds in the rough via free agency or in the Draft.

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