Best Direction for this Team.
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I was just watching a special touring Toronto the other night. That city is ls really beautiful. Ive never been but watching that show it looks so clean and nice.
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Pharaoh wrote:We lacked coaching!
At the end of the day we have talent...we need a good coach.
Before we try and trade half the squad maybe we should be looking at UFAs that could compliment the guys we have?
Steve Blake is high in my list
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Pharaoh wrote:If we're being honest Joe bent us over and didn't use lube!
Jennings & Smith had a huge negative impact on the squad.
Last off-season we were debating if Millsap would come here for $12 mil and come off the bench, if giving Korver $6+ mil was waaaay too much, if hoing after Redick for $6+ mil was insane, if keeping Calderon was insane...
ALL those were better options than what Joe did!
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I'm confused. Do we have talent in Jennings and Smith, or are they just big negatives?
Also, if we're considering Steve Blake....I think I'll start watching the WNBA.
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Reading is FUNdamental
Jennings & Smith have talent. They also had a negative impact on the squad.
Coaching matters. Putting players in a system that maximizes their strengths while hiding their weaknesses is what it's all about
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Jennings & Smith have talent. They also had a negative impact on the squad.
Coaching matters. Putting players in a system that maximizes their strengths while hiding their weaknesses is what it's all about
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Jennings and Smith are really talented low bball IQ players. The difference between the two is Jennings is willing to listen and learn. When he has the right coach, one who either mentors him or creates a system that simplifies the game for him, he excels. Cheeks was a good player developmental coach for two players on our team (Jennings and Stuckey).
Cheeks was effective with Smith for a couple of games running things through him and convincing him for those limited number of games to play from the inside out and go to his jump hooks and dunks. Smith's problem is he doesn't understand the game nearly as much as he thinks he does and he's too stubborn to listen. Added to that he deflects critiques by playing the victim card and shifting blame to other people. That's cancerous to a team environment.
Jennings I can live with as a short term solution, Smith I need off the team. ASAP.
That being said, the right coach could turn things around. Cheeks couldn't manage personalities. I get the impression his experience with the Jailblazers has broken him as a head coach. As coaches go I think Lionel Hollins, Thibs, and Mark Jackson could reach these guys. I also think George Karl and Stan Van Gundy could create systems strong enough to simplify the game for these two, though I do not believe they could deal with them without creating a toxic environment (especially for JSmoove).
Cheeks was effective with Smith for a couple of games running things through him and convincing him for those limited number of games to play from the inside out and go to his jump hooks and dunks. Smith's problem is he doesn't understand the game nearly as much as he thinks he does and he's too stubborn to listen. Added to that he deflects critiques by playing the victim card and shifting blame to other people. That's cancerous to a team environment.
Jennings I can live with as a short term solution, Smith I need off the team. ASAP.
That being said, the right coach could turn things around. Cheeks couldn't manage personalities. I get the impression his experience with the Jailblazers has broken him as a head coach. As coaches go I think Lionel Hollins, Thibs, and Mark Jackson could reach these guys. I also think George Karl and Stan Van Gundy could create systems strong enough to simplify the game for these two, though I do not believe they could deal with them without creating a toxic environment (especially for JSmoove).
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wallace72 wrote:Global Game wrote:Sign European players that can:
Shoot/Score
Defend
Pass
Make plays
Rebound
Be mature
Difficult to find !!!
That's a lot asking
What European leagues have you been watching?
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wallace72 wrote:Global Game wrote:Overseas League Players That Qualify:
Joe Ragland PG
Pietro Aradori SG
Jeff Brooks SF
David Moss SG/SF
Justin Doellman SF/PF
Marcus Cousin C
Non-overseas
Ty Walker C
Sure,for a D-league roster at best !!
Not the NBA
Which of their skills is not NBA level?
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Well since we got SVG now... Best direction: get shooters around Drummond 

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Global Game wrote:wallace72 wrote:Global Game wrote:Sign European players that can:
Shoot/Score
Defend
Pass
Make plays
Rebound
Be mature
Difficult to find !!!
That's a lot asking
What European leagues have you been watching?
Spanish & italian, belgian .....
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If the money is there to sign Trevor Ariza, that could be a big mistake.
If he wants $7-8m for example, we hypothetically could get Dunleavy in a trade and sign Hinrich and Morrow* for the same price.
*Morrow has a player option in NOLA next year, but it's a small deal, so he might as well get out of it and look for a multi-year deal.
If he wants $7-8m for example, we hypothetically could get Dunleavy in a trade and sign Hinrich and Morrow* for the same price.
*Morrow has a player option in NOLA next year, but it's a small deal, so he might as well get out of it and look for a multi-year deal.
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Come to think about it, Stan and Otis had much more player movement involving trades and Free Agents than the Pistons did under Joe D.
This could get interesting.
This could get interesting.

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After the initial let down of losing the pick I'm a little more optimistic this morning...
We can still get a lotto pick that is just as talented as the #8 pick this year... just from a different years draft.
There are several players that have not been placed in the right environment and may simply need a change to realize their potential... maybe all they needed was a year or two to develop or simply a new coach that can believe in their game.
I think using some of our cap to facilitate a deal for a good young player is the way to go... what I don't want to see is for SVG to follow the same path of Joe D and try overspending the competition and strap the franchise for several years. I'm concerned about SVG's knowledge of cap management... hopefully he's not like a kid in Toys R Use a week before Christmas.... use the cap for trades... there are a lot of teams that will be willing to part with a previous lotto pick for a chance to land a bigger fish.
We can still get a lotto pick that is just as talented as the #8 pick this year... just from a different years draft.
There are several players that have not been placed in the right environment and may simply need a change to realize their potential... maybe all they needed was a year or two to develop or simply a new coach that can believe in their game.
I think using some of our cap to facilitate a deal for a good young player is the way to go... what I don't want to see is for SVG to follow the same path of Joe D and try overspending the competition and strap the franchise for several years. I'm concerned about SVG's knowledge of cap management... hopefully he's not like a kid in Toys R Use a week before Christmas.... use the cap for trades... there are a lot of teams that will be willing to part with a previous lotto pick for a chance to land a bigger fish.
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Pharaoh wrote:Reading is FUNdamental
Jennings & Smith have talent. They also had a negative impact on the squad.
Coaching matters. Putting players in a system that maximizes their strengths while hiding their weaknesses is what it's all about
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I agree. I think giving Smith the Gordon treatment would just crush this franchise. It hurts to say but I think a sign and trade of Monroe is best for this team.