when can we trade 1st of 2015?

[Notanoob]

How would people feel about using the 2015 draft pick to move back into this draft?

[Q00]

The only way you can offer Monroe for anything is if Monroe wants to play for that team.


You cant sign and trade him to a team you want to trade with. You can only S&T Monroe to a team he wants to play for. Monroe has all the leverage and the other team doesnt have to offer you anything but cap filler.

You are not getting any talent or value in a S&T for Monroe. The best you can hope for a TE and a future heavily protected 1st or some 2nds.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that Monroe has to agree to all S&Ts, so I don't know why people feel the need to keep repeating it. If someone suggests trading Monroe somewhere, its obviously under the assumption that he would agree to sign there. That goes for all Monroe trade scenarios. There's no need to mention it every time a trade involving Monroe is suggested, because its just accepted as part of the deal.

However, trading him to the team he wants to play for and the team we want to deal with don't have to be mutually exclusive either like you are implying. It IS possible that we could target a player to trade him for, and he could also want to play for that team ya know... Considering you don't know where he would or wouldn't want to play, I don't understand how you can act like that's such a far-fetched idea.

Plus, Monroe doesn't have all the leverage here, we do. First of all, it doesn't matter where he wants to play, if we want we can force him to stay here just by matching the deal. Secondly, if he wants to get the most money possible, he needs us to agree to a S&T in order to facilitate him getting a 5 yr deal.

For example, if we want to do a deal with Minnesota and he wants to play for Washington, we have the power to tell him 'we can deal you to Minnesota in a S&T and you'll get 5 yrs/75 mil, or we can match the deal that Washington offers and you'll be forced to stay in Detroit for 4 yrs/60 mil...its your choice Greg'.

So we have the leverage here, not Monroe, and most young players seeking their first big contract choose money over location.

[Irate]

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that Monroe has to agree to all S&Ts, so I don't know why people feel the need to keep repeating it. If someone suggests trading Monroe somewhere, its obviously under the assumption that he would agree to sign there. That goes for all Monroe trade scenarios. There's no need to mention it every time a trade involving Monroe is suggested, because its just accepted as part of the deal.

However, trading him to the team he wants to play for and the team we want to deal with don't have to be mutually exclusive either like you are implying. It IS possible that we could target a player to trade him for, and he could also want to play for that team ya know... Considering you don't know where he would or wouldn't want to play, I don't understand how you can act like that's such a far-fetched idea.

Plus, Monroe doesn't have all the leverage here, we do. First of all, it doesn't matter where he wants to play, if we want we can force him to stay here just by matching the deal. Secondly, if he wants to get the most money possible, he needs us to agree to a S&T in order to facilitate him getting a 5 yr deal.

For example, if we want to do a deal with Minnesota and he wants to play for Washington, we have the power to tell him 'we can deal you to Minnesota in a S&T and you'll get 5 yrs/75 mil, or we can match the deal that Washington offers and you'll be forced to stay in Detroit for 4 yrs/60 mil...its your choice Greg'.

So we have the leverage here, not Monroe, and most young players seeking their first big contract choose money over location.

You can not do a sign-and-trade for 5 years. Min length is 3 years and the max length is 4 years.

[DetroitSho]

The only way you can offer Monroe for anything is if Monroe wants to play for that team.


You cant sign and trade him to a team you want to trade with. You can only S&T Monroe to a team he wants to play for. Monroe has all the leverage and the other team doesnt have to offer you anything but cap filler.

You are not getting any talent or value in a S&T for Monroe. The best you can hope for a TE and a future heavily protected 1st or some 2nds.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that Monroe has to agree to all S&Ts, so I don't know why people feel the need to keep repeating it. If someone suggests trading Monroe somewhere, its obviously under the assumption that he would agree to sign there. That goes for all Monroe trade scenarios. There's no need to mention it every time a trade involving Monroe is suggested, because its just accepted as part of the deal.

However, trading him to the team he wants to play for and the team we want to deal with don't have to be mutually exclusive either like you are implying. It IS possible that we could target a player to trade him for, and he could also want to play for that team ya know... Considering you don't know where he would or wouldn't want to play, I don't understand how you can act like that's such a far-fetched idea.

Plus, Monroe doesn't have all the leverage here, we do. First of all, it doesn't matter where he wants to play, if we want we can force him to stay here just by matching the deal. Secondly, if he wants to get the most money possible, he needs us to agree to a S&T in order to facilitate him getting a 5 yr deal.

For example, if we want to do a deal with Minnesota and he wants to play for Washington, we have the power to tell him 'we can deal you to Minnesota in a S&T and you'll get 5 yrs/75 mil, or we can match the deal that Washington offers and you'll be forced to stay in Detroit for 4 yrs/60 mil...its your choice Greg'.

So we have the leverage here, not Monroe, and most young players seeking their first big contract choose money over location.

Plenty of fail in this post. Several paragraphs of it.

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[Q00]

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that Monroe has to agree to all S&Ts, so I don't know why people feel the need to keep repeating it. If someone suggests trading Monroe somewhere, its obviously under the assumption that he would agree to sign there. That goes for all Monroe trade scenarios. There's no need to mention it every time a trade involving Monroe is suggested, because its just accepted as part of the deal.

However, trading him to the team he wants to play for and the team we want to deal with don't have to be mutually exclusive either like you are implying. It IS possible that we could target a player to trade him for, and he could also want to play for that team ya know... Considering you don't know where he would or wouldn't want to play, I don't understand how you can act like that's such a far-fetched idea.

Plus, Monroe doesn't have all the leverage here, we do. First of all, it doesn't matter where he wants to play, if we want we can force him to stay here just by matching the deal. Secondly, if he wants to get the most money possible, he needs us to agree to a S&T in order to facilitate him getting a 5 yr deal.

For example, if we want to do a deal with Minnesota and he wants to play for Washington, we have the power to tell him 'we can deal you to Minnesota in a S&T and you'll get 5 yrs/75 mil, or we can match the deal that Washington offers and you'll be forced to stay in Detroit for 4 yrs/60 mil...its your choice Greg'.

So we have the leverage here, not Monroe, and most young players seeking their first big contract choose money over location.

You can not do a sign-and-trade for 5 years. Min length is 3 years and the max length is 4 years.

It used to be 5 years. If its different in the new CBA then that's not good for us. However we still have the leverage in any deal because we own his rights, and if he decides he doesn't want to play here, we can still force him to a team of our choosing just by telling him 'if you don't go there, then you'll have to stay here instead'. It will depend how bad he wants out of here. Either way he's not going to be able to choose where he plays. The Pistons will either let him go somewhere else, or make him stay here. It will be their choice, not his.

[Warspite]

The only way you can offer Monroe for anything is if Monroe wants to play for that team.


You cant sign and trade him to a team you want to trade with. You can only S&T Monroe to a team he wants to play for. Monroe has all the leverage and the other team doesnt have to offer you anything but cap filler.

You are not getting any talent or value in a S&T for Monroe. The best you can hope for a TE and a future heavily protected 1st or some 2nds.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that Monroe has to agree to all S&Ts, so I don't know why people feel the need to keep repeating it. If someone suggests trading Monroe somewhere, its obviously under the assumption that he would agree to sign there. That goes for all Monroe trade scenarios. There's no need to mention it every time a trade involving Monroe is suggested, because its just accepted as part of the deal.

However, trading him to the team he wants to play for and the team we want to deal with don't have to be mutually exclusive either like you are implying. It IS possible that we could target a player to trade him for, and he could also want to play for that team ya know... Considering you don't know where he would or wouldn't want to play, I don't understand how you can act like that's such a far-fetched idea.

Plus, Monroe doesn't have all the leverage here, we do. First of all, it doesn't matter where he wants to play, if we want we can force him to stay here just by matching the deal. Secondly, if he wants to get the most money possible, he needs us to agree to a S&T in order to facilitate him getting a 5 yr deal.

For example, if we want to do a deal with Minnesota and he wants to play for Washington, we have the power to tell him 'we can deal you to Minnesota in a S&T and you'll get 5 yrs/75 mil, or we can match the deal that Washington offers and you'll be forced to stay in Detroit for 4 yrs/60 mil...its your choice Greg'.

So we have the leverage here, not Monroe, and most young players seeking their first big contract choose money over location.

Most posters still think you can trade Monroe with #8 on draft night. Even though its not possible and the Pistons lost the lottery pick.

Yes they are mutually exclusive. He will want to be traded to a team that has talent and he will want that talent to stay with him. For example if he wants to go to Washington to play with Wall and Beal then you are not getting Beal in a trade. Players today want to be traded to a team with talent not traded for talent. If lets say Monroe wants to be the next HoF Laker C take a guess what your getting back in a trade?
Answer: Nothing.... Lakers dont have picks or players to give you. 2 2nds and a TPE for Monroe.

You dont get anymore money in a S&T (others have pointed out the contract yrs). If you dont want to pay Monroe to play on the Pistons then you are going to need lube during the S&T because its going to hurt. If you have np paying Monroe then why would you want to trade him?


If you want to keep Monroe you have all the leverage. If you dont want to keep Monroe you have none.

If you threaten Monroe like that then no player with Monroes agent will ever sign with you. You might as well change your last name to Sterling. More importantly why would the twolves want to do business with you or any other NBA team? You just cant do business like that. My guess is that he doesnt sign an offer sheet and and waits untill you have his trade to Washington finished.

[DetroitSho]

The only way you can offer Monroe for anything is if Monroe wants to play for that team.


You cant sign and trade him to a team you want to trade with. You can only S&T Monroe to a team he wants to play for. Monroe has all the leverage and the other team doesnt have to offer you anything but cap filler.

You are not getting any talent or value in a S&T for Monroe. The best you can hope for a TE and a future heavily protected 1st or some 2nds.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that Monroe has to agree to all S&Ts, so I don't know why people feel the need to keep repeating it. If someone suggests trading Monroe somewhere, its obviously under the assumption that he would agree to sign there. That goes for all Monroe trade scenarios. There's no need to mention it every time a trade involving Monroe is suggested, because its just accepted as part of the deal.

However, trading him to the team he wants to play for and the team we want to deal with don't have to be mutually exclusive either like you are implying. It IS possible that we could target a player to trade him for, and he could also want to play for that team ya know... Considering you don't know where he would or wouldn't want to play, I don't understand how you can act like that's such a far-fetched idea.

Plus, Monroe doesn't have all the leverage here, we do. First of all, it doesn't matter where he wants to play, if we want we can force him to stay here just by matching the deal. Secondly, if he wants to get the most money possible, he needs us to agree to a S&T in order to facilitate him getting a 5 yr deal.

For example, if we want to do a deal with Minnesota and he wants to play for Washington, we have the power to tell him 'we can deal you to Minnesota in a S&T and you'll get 5 yrs/75 mil, or we can match the deal that Washington offers and you'll be forced to stay in Detroit for 4 yrs/60 mil...its your choice Greg'.

So we have the leverage here, not Monroe, and most young players seeking their first big contract choose money over location.

Most posters still think you can trade Monroe with #8 on draft night. Even though its not possible and the Pistons lost the lottery pick.

Yes they are mutually exclusive. He will want to be traded to a team that has talent and he will want that talent to stay with him. For example if he wants to go to Washington to play with Wall and Beal then you are not getting Beal in a trade. Players today want to be traded to a team with talent not traded for talent. If lets say Monroe wants to be the next HoF Laker C take a guess what your getting back in a trade?
Answer: Nothing.... Lakers dont have picks or players to give you. 2 2nds and a TPE for Monroe.

You dont get anymore money in a S&T (others have pointed out the contract yrs). If you dont want to pay Monroe to play on the Pistons then you are going to need lube during the S&T because its going to hurt. If you have np paying Monroe then why would you want to trade him?


If you want to keep Monroe you have all the leverage. If you dont want to keep Monroe you have none.

If you threaten Monroe like that then no player with Monroes agent will ever sign with you. You might as well change your last name to Sterling. More importantly why would the twolves want to do business with you or any other NBA team? You just cant do business like that. My guess is that he doesnt sign an offer sheet and and waits untill you have his trade to Washington finished.

Great post

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[Q00]

Most posters still think you can trade Monroe with #8 on draft night. Even though its not possible and the Pistons lost the lottery pick.

Yes they are mutually exclusive. He will want to be traded to a team that has talent and he will want that talent to stay with him. For example if he wants to go to Washington to play with Wall and Beal then you are not getting Beal in a trade. Players today want to be traded to a team with talent not traded for talent. If lets say Monroe wants to be the next HoF Laker C take a guess what your getting back in a trade?
Answer: Nothing.... Lakers dont have picks or players to give you. 2 2nds and a TPE for Monroe.

You dont get anymore money in a S&T (others have pointed out the contract yrs). If you dont want to pay Monroe to play on the Pistons then you are going to need lube during the S&T because its going to hurt. If you have np paying Monroe then why would you want to trade him?


If you want to keep Monroe you have all the leverage. If you dont want to keep Monroe you have none.

If you threaten Monroe like that then no player with Monroes agent will ever sign with you. You might as well change your last name to Sterling. More importantly why would the twolves want to do business with you or any other NBA team? You just cant do business like that. My guess is that he doesnt sign an offer sheet and and waits untill you have his trade to Washington finished.

Threaten him? lol It called business. The Pistons have to look out for their best interests first. Laying out the options of what they are willing to do, and then giving Monroe the choice of which he prefers is not threatening him. smh

And I'm going to say this for the last time, you don't know what Monroe wants so stop implying you do. How do you know Monroe only wants to go to Washington to play with Wall and Beal? Regardless, he isn't LeBron. He's not going to be dictating other teams personnel decisions.

You are forgetting one major element to the the RFA S&T, and that is the other team can't just sign him outright, whether he wants to play there or not. It'll depend on how bad that team wants him that determines how much we get in return. It doesn't matter where Monroe wants to play, if that team and the Pistons can't come to terms on a deal, then he won't be playing there. So all sides have leverage and its going to take all sides to complete any deal, but the Pistons hold the most leverage in that they have final say.