The Biggest Contract the Pistons Can Offer a Free Agent

[HotelVitale]

If they've been in the league for at least 3 seasons, it's $15.8 million first year, with 4.5% increases. Unless I'm wrong. Which is possible (I got this with my math and Larry Coon's CBA FAQ, so trust at your own peril).

Is that true for guys coming off rook deals? Wall's and DMC's max extensions start next year at $13.7m. Eric Gordon was the last RFA I can remember who had a max matched, and he started with $13.5m.
My not-every-informed guess is that a max rookie RFA is something like: 13.5/14.2/15/15.7. (Sorry don't have the time to double check right now!)

With a 7% increase in the salary cap you get a 7% increase in Max deals as well.

A 7% increase of $13.7m would still only be $14.6m, not the $15.7m that others have pointed out would be 25% of the cap. I think Irate has the right explanation for the numbers.

[Pharaoh]

Given the guys available this season, I think we're best served splitting our cap space and trying to acquire the right role players.

The big ticket free agents in this class are either not accessable to us (Lebron, Melo, etc.) or would cost to much (Lowry, Stephenson, etc.).

I'll echo this.

IF we could get 2 guys (let's say Vasquez & Wes Johnson for the sake of argument) I'd be happy, especially with SVG in charge

Jennings 30, Vasquez 18
KCP 28, Vasquez 10, Singler 10
Smith 6, Singler 16 Johnson 26
Monroe 20, Smith 28
Drummond 34, Monroe 14

8 man rotation so obviously these figures are out since we'd give some time to Bynum, Siva, Datome, Mitchell, Jerebko & Jorts

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[Joe Berry]

Given the guys available this season, I think we're best served splitting our cap space and trying to acquire the right role players.

The big ticket free agents in this class are either not accessable to us (Lebron, Melo, etc.) or would cost to much (Lowry, Stephenson, etc.).

I'll echo this.

IF we could get 2 guys (let's say Vasquez & Wes Johnson for the sake of argument) I'd be happy, especially with SVG in charge

Jennings 30, Vasquez 18
KCP 28, Vasquez 10, Singler 10
Smith 6, Singler 16 Johnson 26
Monroe 20, Smith 28
Drummond 34, Monroe 14

8 man rotation so obviously these figures are out since we'd give some time to Bynum, Siva, Datome, Mitchell, Jerebko & Jorts

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Vasquez and Wes Johnson won't do it for me, the Pistons need a new starting PG asap & better 3 point shooters. I would want at least 3 new perimeter players to go along with KCP, Singler and if we can't get rid of him Jennings.

[Pharaoh]

You might want 3 new perimeter players but with $13 mil to spend you want have yo settle for 2.

I think Vasquez is a plausible target...and would really put pressure on Jennings.

As for the other signing...Johnson wouldn't be great, also wouldn't be terrible. I just used him as an example

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[mercury]

LOL, some folks like to go all MAX happy... MAX for Monroe... Smith has near MAX... Drummond will get the MAX.... while we're at it let's throw the MAX at Hayward... there you have it, a complete 4 ,man roster :^)
Maybe we can have our D-League team play at the Palace to fill out the roster.
MAX's all around!

[Kilo]

Definitely split it on two players - should be enough money to be able to lure players away from taking the MLE with a capped out contender if we split it right and get us two solid rotation players.

[MotownMadness]

Vasquez was pretty good in that final year in New Orleans by looking at the stats. Ive only seen him play a couple times but he must be a poor defender seeing as hes not found a permanent home yet. He posted 14ppg, 9apg, 4.3rpg on pretty decent efficiency the last time he started a season. He could be worth a shot if he comes cheap.

[Pharaoh]

New salary structure is likely:

2 MAX players ($30 mil)

2 guys making around $8 mil (16 mil, $46 mil so far)

2 guys making around $6 mil ($12 mil, $58 mil so far)

2 or 3 guys all making anything from rookie scale to $5 mil ($15 mil at most, $73 mil)

That's only 9 guys...and also right around the tax threshold give or take a mil!

So I don't know how people expect to hand out big money to one player this off-season when we'll have Smith & Monroe basically on the max & Jennings in the next category.

The fact we're paying Jerebko so much is more of a problem than people realize.

A guy who gets paid more than $4 mil has to be a contributing role player - not a towel waver

The rest

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[Joe Berry]

New salary structure is likely:

2 MAX players ($30 mil)

2 guys making around $8 mil (16 mil, $46 mil so far)

2 guys making around $6 mil ($12 mil, $58 mil so far)

2 or 3 guys all making anything from rookie scale to $5 mil ($15 mil at most, $73 mil)

That's only 9 guys...and also right around the tax threshold give or take a mil!

So I don't know how people expect to hand out big money to one player this off-season when we'll have Smith & Monroe basically on the max & Jennings in the next category.

The fact we're paying Jerebko so much is more of a problem than people realize.

A guy who gets paid more than $4 mil has to be a contributing role player - not a towel waver

The rest

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Thats why you trade Smith as soon as possible for guys with lesser contracts. While Smiths trade value is low right now i think he still can be traded. Bynum and Jerebko are expiring. Dre is still on the rookie contract for 2 more seasons. Jennings only has 2 more seasons left.

But this is a perimeter orientated league, almost every good team can play some small ball, the Pistons can't invest almost 3 max players (when Dre is ready for an extension in 2 years) in 2 big man positions.
Upgrading the backcourt and wing position is crucial. Getting rid of one Monroe or Smith or even both for more perimeter help is just a matter of when not if.
That said i still think the Pistons can add a big salary this season without a problem for a quality player like Lowry or Lance if they are able to get them.

[Pharaoh]

I have a big problem with the idea we need to get a stud on the perimeter.

If everyone else goes small go BIG! Punish them in the paint. Make them play your style of ball.

Memphis has Conley & Allen - they do pretty well in the West.

The trick is getting a coach that knows what he's doing and guards that can play their roles.

IMO there is not a single perimeter free agent that we could get that would significantly move the needle except Stephenson.

Hayward is a nice player, so is Parsons. If you want them you'll have to pay $10 mil maybe more...for what? To space the floor? Neither is a #1 or #2 option. Ariza is a contract year player IMO and he's not a #1 or #2 option either.

Stephenson, with all his crazy antics might be an alpha dog...or he'll change his name to something stupid eventually.

So either go for Stephenson or get decent role players on the perimeter...either way I don't think trading Smith or Jennings MUST be done...although many of us would love to see both gone ASAP

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[paQo the BAWSER]

That's why you don't re-sign Monroe and put a max offer to Hayward.

[Joe Berry]

IMO there is not a single perimeter free agent that we could get that would significantly move the needle except Stephenson.

Lowry! Leadership, toughness, defense - 18 PG, 7 AST, 5 rebs, 38% from 3, 81% FT, PER 20.20 and he even can play some off guard. Yes he's 28 - but you put him on the Pistons and i am sure as hell he will move the needle a lot in the right direction the next 4 years.


Does anyone know if 2 restricted free agents can be sign and traded for each other? I mean i know its not happening but a sign and trade deal Monroe for Bledsoe would be pretty awesome.

[ComboGuardCity]

1. Sign Lance to about 9 mill a year
2. Sign Jordan Hamilton to a 3yr/10 mill
3. Sign 3yr/10mill
4. Re-sign Monroe
5. Trade josh for fodder





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[Pharaoh]

IMO there is not a single perimeter free agent that we could get that would significantly move the needle except Stephenson.

Lowry! Leadership, toughness, defense - 18 PG, 7 AST, 5 rebs, 38% from 3, 81% FT, PER 20.20 and he even can play some off guard. Yes he's 28 - but you put him on the Pistons and i am sure as hell he will move the needle a lot in the right direction the next 4 years.


Does anyone know if 2 restricted free agents can be sign and traded for each other? I mean i know its not happening but a sign and trade deal Monroe for Bledsoe would be pretty awesome.

I don't think Lowry will be leaving Toronto. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't think the Raptors let him walk...their fanbase would go nuts

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