Preseason Game #3: Pistons @ Wizards

[sc8581]

Its early, Smith is still taking way too many ill advised jumpers. The only difference is that they are long 2's instead of 3's but he has't been completely useless. He is however, always going to be prone to chuckin up bad shots.

Through 3 games
Monroe: 17 points/9 boards on 60% FG in 30mpg
Drummond: 16 points/9 boards on 60% FG in 27mpg
Smith: 10 points/6 boards on 45% FG in 23 mpg

I am very curious to see how SVG starts the 3 bigs from this point on now that they have all started 2 games a piece. Statistically Monroe and Drummond have been our best bigs and if the trend is the same in practice- I expect these two to start with Smith off the bench. I just cannot see SVG, unlike some realgmers, making the decision to start Smith based off what he accomplished years ago in Atlanta and not what he is currently producing.

As for Jennings, he's looked horrid as a scorer offensively (29% FG, 22% from 3 for 8ppg on 10FGA) but I am impressed with his passing abilities so far. He's averaging 7assists/1 TO and taking less shots. I can live with a Jennings who instead of leading our team in FGA is only taking 10 or so a game while running the offense well.

I continue to wonder about our SF spot, I wonder if there is anyway we could package our expirings (Bynum and Jerebko) for a decent SF. And, if not, I actually think Cartier Martin looked solid this last game if Butler/Singler continue to struggle he should be given an opportunity to contribute.

You say Drummond and Monroe have been the best combo statistically, well, that depends on what stats you're talking about. Clearly you are bias and not open to any opinion not backed by ppg and RPG so I'm not going to bother, just hope others don't fall into the ignorant trap.

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Record as a starter

Drummond 1-1
Monroe 1-1
Smith 2-0

[Phenomenonsense]

You say Drummond and Monroe have been the best combo statistically, well, that depends on what stats you're talking about. Clearly you are bias and not open to any opinion not backed by ppg and RPG so I'm not going to bother, just hope others don't fall into the ignorant trap.

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Record as a starter

Drummond 1-1
Monroe 1-1
Smith 2-0

Are you legit mentally handicapped or were you kidding?

[sc8581]

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Record as a starter

Drummond 1-1
Monroe 1-1
Smith 2-0

Are you legit mentally handicapped or were you kidding?

More legitimate statistic than the prior argument but obviously they are both meaningless

[Lucidity]

Good lord, how good are Monroe & Drummond together? WOW

This front line duo has been mismanaged for some time but hopefully SVG finally gets it.

Start em & let em cook!!

[DetroitSho]

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Record as a starter

Drummond 1-1
Monroe 1-1
Smith 2-0

Are you legit mentally handicapped or were you kidding?

Lolololololol tears in my eyes.

[ChipButty]

Just my personal opinion but I think Drummond and Monroe have looked alot better out there than any other combo, which I think could have been easily predicted seeing as Josh Smith still sucks.

Its early, Smith is still taking way too many ill advised jumpers. The only difference is that they are long 2's instead of 3's but he has't been completely useless. He is however, always going to be prone to chuckin up bad shots.

Through 3 games
Monroe: 17 points/9 boards on 60% FG in 30mpg
Drummond: 16 points/9 boards on 60% FG in 27mpg
Smith: 10 points/6 boards on 45% FG in 23 mpg

I am very curious to see how SVG starts the 3 bigs from this point on now that they have all started 2 games a piece. Statistically Monroe and Drummond have been our best bigs and if the trend is the same in practice- I expect these two to start with Smith off the bench. I just cannot see SVG, unlike some realgmers, making the decision to start Smith based off what he accomplished years ago in Atlanta and not what he is currently producing.

Here is what SVG said:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports ... /16309303/

"Starting isn't important to me or other coaches. But it's really important to players. As a coach you're looking at, you have to have a balance of your best offensive players, you have to know what you're doing in your second unit. Maybe you need a go-to guy in your second unit. I don't think on most teams the five best guys are starting."

What makes you think he's going to start the "best" 5 guys? I have no problem with Smith starting, but he needs to be more of a glue guy deferring on offense to Dre and perimeter players that can shoot. He's done a decent job of this so far in pre-season with 11 assists and only 2 3PA. I certainly don't want to see Smith as the go-to guy off the bench.

[princeofpalace]

Here's a quote from Drummond about his chemistry with Monroe- but yeah Smith/Drummond is totally a better pairing and Monroe/Drummond don't work together

Drummond said his chemistry with Monroe is peaking.

"“That’s a duo that can'’t be broken,”" he said. "“We know each other from top to bottom, where we like the ball. We know where we need to go to get open. This tandem that we have is an awesome feeling.”"

Sadly, SVG is going to roll out Smith/Monroe/Drummond next game . I'm not excited about the lineup but hopefully its used very sparingly. I trust SVG more than Cheeks/Loyer- that said- if SVG can get the trio to look good do we stop blaming Joe D?

[sc8581]

Just my personal opinion but I think Drummond and Monroe have looked alot better out there than any other combo, which I think could have been easily predicted seeing as Josh Smith still sucks.

Its early, Smith is still taking way too many ill advised jumpers. The only difference is that they are long 2's instead of 3's but he has't been completely useless. He is however, always going to be prone to chuckin up bad shots.

Through 3 games
Monroe: 17 points/9 boards on 60% FG in 30mpg
Drummond: 16 points/9 boards on 60% FG in 27mpg
Smith: 10 points/6 boards on 45% FG in 23 mpg

I am very curious to see how SVG starts the 3 bigs from this point on now that they have all started 2 games a piece. Statistically Monroe and Drummond have been our best bigs and if the trend is the same in practice- I expect these two to start with Smith off the bench. I just cannot see SVG, unlike some realgmers, making the decision to start Smith based off what he accomplished years ago in Atlanta and not what he is currently producing.

Here is what SVG said:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports ... /16309303/

"Starting isn't important to me or other coaches. But it's really important to players. As a coach you're looking at, you have to have a balance of your best offensive players, you have to know what you're doing in your second unit. Maybe you need a go-to guy in your second unit. I don't think on most teams the five best guys are starting."

What makes you think he's going to start the "best" 5 guys? I have no problem with Smith starting, but he needs to be more of a glue guy deferring on offense to Dre and perimeter players that can shoot. He's done a decent job of this so far in pre-season with 11 assists and only 2 3PA. I certainly don't want to see Smith as the go-to guy off the bench.

It just makes way too much sense to have Monroe come off the bench for so many reasons.

[epheisey]

It just makes way too much sense to have Monroe come off the bench for so many reasons.

I agree. At this point he just fits off the bench. It's one thing if Smith wasn't here, but he is.

Four quick reasons I can rattle off that make Monroe better off the bench in my mind:
Monroe provides offense for the second unit.
He's on a one year deal.
Smith should be far better defensively.
I wouldn't want Smith as the go to guy on any unit.

Our 5 guys off the bench might be only slightly less capable than our starters. And while that doesn't exactly speak volumes for the first 5 guys, it does allow us to do a lot of mixing and matching without seeing much in the way of a drop off.


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[detroitKG]

Some of the **** I'm reading on this Monroe vs Smith starting debate is hilarious..the only viable thing that I've read and agree with is Monroe's scoring off the bench...Everything from Monroe's contract to Smith magically being better on defense has me in stitches. Fact is none of our bigs have been impressive defensively. Last year or so far this year.

I've said it before, to me it should only really matter to said players, not to us. The big three are going to get their minutes regardless and I trust in SVG to mix and match who he thinks gives us the best chance to win.

You guys say Smith should start...I say who cares, just win games.
Others say start Monroe...again I don't care just win games.

End of Rant. **** is getting old.

[Neptune]

Smith/Drummond is more a competitive combo compared to Moose/Drummond, and this is coming from a huge fan of Monroe. I'm all about winning, so I'll take Smith starting at the 4 over Moose.

[That_Guy_Fresh]

Some of the **** I'm reading on this Monroe vs Smith starting debate is hilarious..the only viable thing that I've read and agree with is Monroe's scoring off the bench...Everything from Monroe's contract to Smith magically being better on defense has me in stitches. Fact is none of our bigs have been impressive defensively. Last year or so far this year.

I've said it before, to me it should only really matter to said players, not to us. The big three are going to get their minutes regardless and I trust in SVG to mix and match who he thinks gives us the best chance to win.

You guys say Smith should start...I say who cares, just win games.
Others say start Monroe...again I don't care just win games.

End of Rant. **** is getting old.

This. Both moose and Smoove are gonna average at least 30mpg. Both are gonna average 16-18ppg etc etc. Not gonna make a damn bit of difference who starts. I mean damn.

[engelbert321]

Some of the **** I'm reading on this Monroe vs Smith starting debate is hilarious..the only viable thing that I've read and agree with is Monroe's scoring off the bench...Everything from Monroe's contract to Smith magically being better on defense has me in stitches. Fact is none of our bigs have been impressive defensively. Last year or so far this year.

I've said it before, to me it should only really matter to said players, not to us. The big three are going to get their minutes regardless and I trust in SVG to mix and match who he thinks gives us the best chance to win.

You guys say Smith should start...I say who cares, just win games.
Others say start Monroe...again I don't care just win games.

End of Rant. **** is getting old.

This. Both moose and Smoove are gonna average at least 30mpg. Both are gonna average 16-18ppg etc etc. Not gonna make a damn bit of difference who starts. I mean damn.

Actually. Players who are starting set the tone, and I'd like us to start with an increased defensive intensity. But that's just me.

[E-Z]

Hey guys, I like Andre Drummond. He's pretty good.

[hoophabit]

Hey guys, I like Andre Drummond. He's pretty good.

Well, let's not jump to conclusions. He still misses a lot of free throws, and he probably smiles too much.

[zeebneeb]

Yep, there's so many more longterm options better than him that he's playing over.

Pitiful logic.

It's easy to say "pitiful logic", and laugh to yourself, but getting used to having him here, and then losing him, is really poor judgment in my eyes. As much as I dislike Moose, its not going to be easy to fill his shoes, offensively, in an easy fashion. I would much rather play the guys, that you know are going to be here, and see what you have, instead of playing Moose 30+mpg, when in my eyes, he is gone. I don't see any scenario in which he stays. How many players have done what he's done? I really think, unless we win 50+ games, make a second round appearance, Moose is a huge part of that, and we pay him a boatload, he is GONE.

Why even waste a season, lose Moose, and because we won 10 more games with him, have a piss poor pick?

It is not "pitiful logic" It's a different viewpoint. neither is right, or wrong.

Please enlighten me on who should be getting the minutes that are both better than Monroe and will be here longterm. Let me help you. They are:









.....

That's what makes that logic pitiful.

Pretty aggressive for having no point. Monroe is not going to be a Piston next year. Its just wasted playing time. Maybe not for him, but it certainly is for the team. I would play anyone else a his position, as a backup.

I just don't see the point, unless people here, honestly believe that Monroe is going to resign...

[princeofpalace]

It's easy to say "pitiful logic", and laugh to yourself, but getting used to having him here, and then losing him, is really poor judgment in my eyes. As much as I dislike Moose, its not going to be easy to fill his shoes, offensively, in an easy fashion. I would much rather play the guys, that you know are going to be here, and see what you have, instead of playing Moose 30+mpg, when in my eyes, he is gone. I don't see any scenario in which he stays. How many players have done what he's done? I really think, unless we win 50+ games, make a second round appearance, Moose is a huge part of that, and we pay him a boatload, he is GONE.

Why even waste a season, lose Moose, and because we won 10 more games with him, have a piss poor pick?

It is not "pitiful logic" It's a different viewpoint. neither is right, or wrong.

Please enlighten me on who should be getting the minutes that are both better than Monroe and will be here longterm. Let me help you. They are:









.....

That's what makes that logic pitiful.

Pretty aggressive for having no point. Monroe is not going to be a Piston next year. Its just wasted playing time. Maybe not for him, but it certainly is for the team. I would play anyone else a his position, as a backup.

I just don't see the point, unless people here, honestly believe that Monroe is going to resign...

I guess we should only play Drummond as he is the only Pistons guarenteed to be on roster next season. Bynum, Singler, Jerebko, Datome, Mitchell, Butler, Monroe expire at season's end and everyone else is trade bait. Why waste our time with anyone?

[zeebneeb]

Please enlighten me on who should be getting the minutes that are both better than Monroe and will be here longterm. Let me help you. They are:









.....

That's what makes that logic pitiful.

Pretty aggressive for having no point. Monroe is not going to be a Piston next year. Its just wasted playing time. Maybe not for him, but it certainly is for the team. I would play anyone else a his position, as a backup.

I just don't see the point, unless people here, honestly believe that Monroe is going to resign...

I guess we should only play Drummond as he is the only Pistons guarenteed to be on roster next season. Bynum, Singler, Jerebko, Datome, Mitchell, Butler, Monroe expire at season's end and everyone else is trade bait. Why waste our time with anyone?

That's a complete strawman, and you know it. Monroe is not going to be a Piston next year, period. Wasted floor time.

[DetroitPistons]

Thats not true Zeeb. You are just assuming Monroe is gone next year. Sure, it is less likely that he will resign with us compared to this offseason but he can very well sign with us if he wants to. We will easily be able to offer him the money he wants next offseason and if he likes SVG and we are a successful team (playoffs) I see no reason why he wouldn't resign. I think you're being overly pessimistic and just asserting that you're right, which isn't true or fair.

And most importantly, We are trying to win this year so benching our most consistent and offensively skilled big man just because it's not a lock that he will be with us beyond next year is silly. If we don't have Monroe then making the playoffs would be extremely difficult. Not to mention the player's union would be all over it and it would strongly deter other players from signing here. It would make us look like cold-hearted butthurt whiners. Who wants to play for a franchise like that? Players were ready to boycott the Clippers because they didn't like the owner. You think they wouldn't do the same for a coach they don't like, the guy whom they are taking direct orders from and has to interact with on a daily basis?

[DetroitSho]

Pretty aggressive for having no point. Monroe is not going to be a Piston next year. Its just wasted playing time. Maybe not for him, but it certainly is for the team. I would play anyone else a his position, as a backup.

I just don't see the point, unless people here, honestly believe that Monroe is going to resign...

I guess we should only play Drummond as he is the only Pistons guarenteed to be on roster next season. Bynum, Singler, Jerebko, Datome, Mitchell, Butler, Monroe expire at season's end and everyone else is trade bait. Why waste our time with anyone?

That's a complete strawman, and you know it. Monroe is not going to be a Piston next year, period. Wasted floor time.

You've still yet to name an actual person you'd actually play over Monroe. Its clear even you don't believe the nonsense you're spewing.

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