What's wrong with the Pistons ?

[theBigLip]

moose out, meeks out, cartier martin out, kcp not shooting well after injury.

This sums up a lot. Also, it will take awhile before everyone gets used to SVG's coaching. These guys haven't had a coach they listened to the last 5 years.

[MrBigShot]

Is it really surprising that anyone is upset at the performance/effort? We suck. And haven't had a winning season in 6 years. We don't have elite talent on this team, but there is no reason any piston fan should be happy with the way we've played. Letting close games turn into blowouts, not boxing out, dumb fouls ect...

The Thunder beat the same Nuggets team we just lost to. Without Durant, and Westbrook, and Reggie Jackson, and Jeremy Lamb. Take all those guys away, and we're more talented than what OKC has left. But we lost anyway.

[Pharaoh]

Is it really surprising that anyone is upset at the performance/effort? We suck. And haven't had a winning season in 6 years. We don't have elite talent on this team, but there is no reason any piston fan should be happy with the way we've played. Letting close games turn into blowouts, not boxing out, dumb fouls ect...

The Thunder beat the same Nuggets team we just lost to. Without Durant, and Westbrook, and Reggie Jackson, and Jeremy Lamb. Take all those guys away, and we're more talented than what OKC has left. But we lost anyway.

We lost because we're used to losing and when the **** hits the fan we fold like an accordion! The Thunder players are used to winning, used to executing their parts do when things get tight they do it.

The only dudes on the Thunder who should/could fold would be Jones and Telfair since they've been thrust into expanded roles, though Jones had a camp and pre-season to get used to it.

THIS is why we signed Butler - because we've been losers for so long it's accepted as normal. It's not normal! It's been bred into them thanks to Joe and moronic Coaches.
SVG will change that, but it's gonna take time

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[Pharaoh]

As for what's wrong after 3 games lol:

No wing that can create his own shot off the bounce.

No one other than our PG on the floor who can run a PnR

No one on the floor with a polished low post game, except when Monroe is on the floor

No true shooters to space the floor

Lack of understanding how to respond to an opponents run (who to go to and where when we absolutely need a score)

Lack of understanding how to maintain momentum during a run

I could go on for hours

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[mus123]

Kyle singler is butcheeks can't shoot or defend. What does he do well? Smith is a bum and guess what we have no shooting again this season yaaaah! Jennings and GM played great.

[Pharaoh]

My biggest "pet peeve":

When we've wasted 3 possessions in a row via turnovers, ill advised shots or just useless execution some clown decides its time to jack up a jumper at random in order to "get mine"

That's some middle school BS

Be a professional and make your team mates play the right way!

So many possessions in the NBA are wasted cause clowns wanna get theirs - a real leader demands execution on every trip down the floor.

A casual fan doesn't realise that every single play that's run has more than one option - people who know the game do! Yet we've got clowns that are jacking it up because they feel it (heat checks are BS too) or because they haven't jacked one in a while!

Josh Smith - It's not all about you! Millions and millions of dollars paid but it's like he's trying to prove something!

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[Damon_3388]

Josh Smith - 20/53 from the field (.377), 8/25 from outside 10 feet (.320), and 0/6 from downtown so far through three games. He's 9/19 (.474) from the free throw line, too.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - 11/42 from the field (.262) and 2/16 from downtown (.125) so far through three games.

I know someone has to take the shots, but this is ridiculous.

[princeofpalace]

Its hard to overcome lousy games by Josh Smith, KCP and Jennings doesnt make smart decisions to close out games. We have no other options at SG so KCP must start until Meeks returns, wish we had someone to back KCP up. Jennings had a very good game last night but resorted to playing hero ball when the game was on the line. Smith is still Smith, wish Drummnond hadn't had so much foul trouble so he couldve been benched instead of playing 44 minutes.

We need more talent on the wing, Singler/Butler is not a viable option at SF. We also cannot afford to play a PF who is shooting 38% from the field while only grabbing 7 boards in 37 minutes. The thing is though, while Smith is not a smart player, he's not quite THIS bad. I expect him to get more efficient. Same with KCP, I expect him to get more efficient. And Andre is not always going to be in foul trouble.

Bottom line is that we are a new team with a new coach and need to play a few more games before sounding the tank alarm. We may not be a great team but we are better than what we've shown.

[No-Man]

The roster is terrible, worst wings in the league other than Philadelphia and Jennings as the backcourt leader, thats bounded for failure.

Drummond is a heck of a PROJECT, he delivers in some ends, but he is still really raw in terms of IQ and understanding of the game.

Plus Smith of course, you need a few more years to be competitive, that's all, patience.

[Pistons888]

I'm starting to wonder if KCP has the ability to knock down 3's consistently. I know that it has only been 3 games but they are just not falling. He seems more confident from a few feet in and that may be better suited for him. He is also much better this year at taking the ball to the hoop. I'm starting to see him as more of a Rip Hamilton SG which would be ok if we had a lights out 3 point shooter at SF but once again we don't.

[Snakebites]

Fischella has a point.

We have an absolutely woeful perimeter, there's simply no way around it. I have no idea why everyone wasn't predicting weakness from this team on that basis alone.

Yeah, Meeks is out, but frankly even with him I'd be very surprised if we have one of the 28 best perimeters in the league.

We're a team with a pair of deeply flawed point guards, a set of wings that barely belong in the league, and 3 ill-fitting bigs, one of whom is awful (Smith), one of whom is still very raw (Drummond), and one who doesn't fit with our main project and is gone at the end of the season anyway (Monroe).

Its time people really wake up and smell our roster and understand that even the best coach in the world isn't going to be able to prevent very frustrating strings of games from happening.

We're simply not that good. We don't have the raw materials to be good. If we're lucky we can be a little closer to average this year than we were last year. The sooner people understand that the sooner all of this can become easier to cope with.

[vic]

If I was SVG Jerebko would be the starting 3 until Martin came back.

Singler and Butler would only play against backups and non-scoring wings.

KCP's shot will come back. You need him for defense regardless.

Smith needs to come off the bench. Monroe is the only dependable producer of offense on the team. Playing Monroe sets the tone to intelligence instead of stupidity.

Thats if you want to start winning games. If you want a happy locker room that keeps losing, then keep things as they are now.

[Snakebites]

If I was SVG Jerebko would be the starting 3 until Martin came back.

Singler and Butler would only play against backups and non-scoring wings.

KCP's shot will come back. You need him for defense regardless.

Smith needs to come off the bench. Monroe is the only dependable producer of offense on the team. Playing Monroe sets the tone to intelligence instead of stupidity.

Thats if you want to start winning games. If you want a happy locker room that keeps losing, then keep things as they are now.

KCP's shot will come back?

Doesn't that imply that it was once here? I know the guy had a great summer league, but he's always struggled with his shot in the regular season....

He's hurting us more than Josh Smith right now. I don't take that statement lightly, but its true.

[whitehops]

i think having three full days off will be helpful. more than the rest it'll give SVG good opportunity to try fix some of the problems we've been having, now that he has some meaningful tape on the team. he said himself after the game last night that he still doesn't have the best handle on the team, in terms of knowing the players and how to use all of them optimally. he said this was especially the case on offense.


silver lining: as bad as we've played (and we haven't played some pretty ball) we were competitive in every game and in it/winning with only a few minutes left. I still remain very confident that this team will pick it up. things almost literally couldn't get worse on offense, we've been bad rebounding the ball (relative to last year) but our defense has kept us in games and we've fought back every time.


I didn't expect to see a playoff team right out of the gate but I am sure things will turn around. I think it starts with Drummond staying out of foul trouble. so far through the first three games he has been the team's most impactful player (statistically) and we need him to be playing ~35 minutes without worrying about picking up fouls as opposed to the 27 mins/game he's played so far. hopefully SVG really works with him on his positioning, discipline, etc. so he can stay on the floor.

[Kilo]

Haven't learned how to win. Which players on this team were part of winning teams during their pro careers? James Anthony with the Heat, Caron Butler in some of his stops and maybe DJ Augustin's half year with the Bulls?

Monroe - Pistons
Dre - Pistons
KCP - Pistons
Singler - Pistons
Jennings - Bucks/Pistons
Jerebko - Pistons
Smith - mediocre Hawks/Pistons
Datome - Does Euroball winning translate? 14th man here regardless. Non-entity.
Mitchell - Pistons. Sulking college career.
Meeks - Bucks, Sixers, Kobe-less Lakers
Dinwiddie - rookie
Martin - Cups of coffee with non-playoff teams in Charlotte, GS, Washington, Atlanta

[whitehops]

Haven't learned how to win. Which players on this team were part of winning teams during their pro careers? James Anthony with the Heat, Caron Butler in some of his stops and maybe DJ Augustin's half year with the Bulls?

Monroe - Pistons
Dre - Pistons
KCP - Pistons
Singler - Pistons
Jennings - Bucks/Pistons
Jerebko - Pistons
Smith - mediocre Hawks/Pistons
Datome - Does Euroball winning translate? 14th man here regardless. Non-entity.
Mitchell - Pistons. Sulking college career.
Meeks - Bucks, Sixers, Kobe-less Lakers
Dinwiddie - rookie
Martin - Cups of coffee with non-playoff teams in Charlotte, GS, Washington, Atlanta

why do you unnecessarily take shots at the pistons all the time? I can't recall the last time I saw you say something positive about the pistons, you constantly take shots at Drummond, etc. you're even starting to make stuff up about the players, like martin playing for the 'non-playoff' hawks last year, joel Anthony's name (james Anthony?) and conveniently not mentioning that smith and Jennings have been to the playoffs multiple times.

also, pointing out that meeks played for the 'kobe-less lakers' is just asinine. not only did he play on the lakers in 2013 when kobe was fully healthy and they made the playoffs but you say 'kobe-less' as if that would make all the difference. check the lakers out this year, it's not like Jordan hill or carlos boozer are suddenly transformed because of kobe's presence.


if i'm the only that feels this way then i'll shut up but it's very tiring reading your posts most of the time.

[Kilo]

My bad, I didn't realize this was a "What's right with the Pistons" thread I was posting in...errr...wait it isn't.

Here's a tip chief - don't read my posts. Add me to your foe list and do us both that favor. Drummond is overrated by the Piston fanbase. And I like the kid - but he's not going to be a Dwight Howard or Shaquille O'Neal. He's a cog rather than a centerpiece. Martin played one year as a bit player for an Atlanta Hawks play-off team, I never said Smith and Jennings didn't make the play-offs, it's that their trips there were wholly unremarkable. Being on a playoff team doesn't necessarily equal playing for a winner. The larger point I was making still stands no matter your nitpicking - the Pistons players don't know how to win because they've never played big game contending basketball. Given how they completely folded the second game into the season because the game wasn't going their way - I really don't know how this can be argued.