Detroit v. Milwaukee- Friday at 6:30

[Ghost]

Oh okay yeah I see the light, let's fire him now and bring in someone else, and if they can't fix it in 15 games, we'll fire them too!

Augustin is a nice BACKUP pg. Butter has been alright. Meeks can't be evaluated like you said. So you really want to bitch about his FA moves? After all isn't that how we're in this problem to begin with. Throwing big money around in FA. Meeks is looking like a bargain deal before he even plays! I'll give him credit for that.

Plus, it's his first time with Smith and first time being GM... maybe he felt like it'd go different and that Smith should command some sort of value. OR MAYBE the rumors were incomplete or inaccurate about moving him. So hes giving him a chance now, and it's too small of a sample size in his mind. Teams generally don't make moves so fast, it's always in December before anything really happens. Maybe Smith will get traded by the deadline afterall. I think we all hope so *shrug* but just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean anything to me.

Have some faith in the best coach we have has since we last won a title. Even though he has no GM experience, we have seen this work out before.. like Doc Rivers. This place is a **** dumpsterfire though, there should be very limited starting expectations. If you want to blame him for maybe giving Drummond to many shots and it isnt helping our offense since hes so raw, I get it. But Im not blaming him like its a bad thing.
If they underachieve their projected like 30 win mark, I think we'll find a way to deal with it. Considering if we ended up with the 8th pick again, everyone would want to bitch about just constantly being a treadmill medicare team. Saying you're already starting to doubt him is a joke and I think at least 80% of the board would agree. The 20% who overreact over everything would agree. I'll blindly follow him until he literally proves he can't do the job, because that's the stability we need.

[princeofpalace]

Oh the strawman argument my favorite- nobody said anything about firing Stan, what I did say is that I have doubts and based on his offseason moves and coaching strategy thus far those doubts are warranted.

Augustin has been a disaster so far, he's horrible- 37% from the field, 24% from deep, 12 PER. In his 7 year career he's had 1 or 2 seasons where he hasn't been terrible. Last year is looking like a fluke year but if he turns it around maybe he can be a good backup PG- right now he is no such thing. Meeks cannot be called a bargain unless he recreates his success that he had with LAL, mostly everyone agreed that he was a bad contract.Right now all Meeks is is a question mark.

[whitehops]

a bunch of people are acting like the sky is falling because of this losing streak, but what did you expect when a team that is already weak on the perimeter loses essentially their starting backcourt?

none of our guards can create any offense, which leaves guys like smith to do that. smith is a decent passer but not someone you can rely on to run your offense.


I really hope Jennings returns tomorrow vs. GS

[dVs33]

Unlike other people, I don't just blindly follow people. Stan isn't just our coach, he's our GM. So far he- didn' trade Smith when he could've because he wanted value, lowballed Greg Monroe, didn't address our biggest positional weakness in FA, aside from Butler (Meeks can't be evaluated), his FA acquisitions have been poor- Martin is a non factor, Augustin is horrible and we signed Gray only to cut him a few weeks later. Yes our roster sucks, but who is in charge of the roster? SVG. To top it all off, SVG continues to start Smith/Monroe/Drummond. We have the 2nd worst record in the league- you have to be an idiot to think SVG doesnt share some of the blame- a blind fool to be honest.

This is correct, but you have to have some patience when building a roster.
Smith should have been traded, but his value was at an all time low this past offseason. Monroe didn't want to sign here longterm because of the **** that he's faced since coming into the league. Augustin started off pretty good as a back up, but he now has been forced to start because of injuries. Martin has been injured. Meeks has been injured. Gray had a freak heart problem and SVG ate that salary to get another player in.
There was always going to be this assessment time where SVG can see what he has and what he needs in his system.
I'm not blindly following him, but i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Lucidity]

Weve dropped 7 straight and SVG hasn't changed anything. I'm starting to doubt him- he has no answers out there and his offense seems to be based around having guys who cant hit a shot regularly take a bunch of them, This game was a a joke, we had Monroe the whole game guarded by much smaller players barely touch the ball, instead our perimeter players just chucked up jump shots all night long. This is embarrassing. We looked better under Cheeks. SVG has got to get this turned around ASAP.

Anyone who thinks we are a Jodie Meeks away from being good is kidding themselves.

What the **** are you talking about? Are you really are going to start doubting one of the best coaches in the league right now, just because he was handed a **** awful roster and hasn't completely turned it around in like 15 games? Do you understand how insane this actually sounds?
He can't just snap his fingers and KCP and Josh Smith become 40% 3pt shooters while Drummond develops a full array of post moves. Someone else had a great post in one of the threads here a few days ago when he said to forget the last five years or however long it has been, and look at this as the start of a 3-5 year rebounding phase. SVG does not have to get this team turned around ASAP, in fact, it may be better if he let's it continue it's course. The team lacks a shot creating wing player, and if Monroe walks, it will also be needing a PF. If they lose a bunch of games and get a higher than the normal 8th overall pick, maybe one of these issues could be resolved. There has definitely been improvement in multiple players and the team has looked more like a team on both ends of the floor compared to how they did last year IMO. Plus, you can't say that Jodie Meeks' 40% 3pt shot won't help. It won't solve all the problems and turn us into a contender, but it will make the team better.

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[haulerch]

Uh, SVG deserves the benefit of the doubt. It's his first season with a team he inherited. He needs a season to assess the team and who fits in his system. Sure, we had some more wins under Cheeks but we also were stuck picking 8th in the lottery. Hopefully, the pain of losing this year will lead to a top 3 pick.

The team is going to have some financial room in the offseason to pick up a player or two and pair them with a high draft pick. I'm excited about the future. Mudiay has John Wall/D. Rose ability plus he is said to be further along in his development at this point than either of those two were.

The one thing I can say, this team doesn't seem to be split as in years past. Guys like Jennings and Smith still believe in SVG's message and that's really saying something. Sure, the wins aren't coming yet but we have suffered through incompetency since 2008, give it some time.

It's safe to assume Monroe is gone. He doesn't fit with Drummond and that's obvious to see with the rotations used.

[haulerch]

Oh and while Smith still makes boneheaded moves, he isn't nearly as bad as he was last year. While he will never shoot a high percentage, he is much better in the post which he is playing away from. SVG plays him because he can trust him to defend, block shots, rebound, take charges, get some steals, and he is the second best playmaker on the team right now.

He didn't play well defensively yesterday, but he is a thousand times the defender Greg Monroe is. Smith wouldn't be bad on this team as a fourth option, but we have him as a second option right now.

[Lucidity]

Monroe has to be frustrated, he's gotten position all night & has been ignored.

I am really looking forward to him going to a good team next Summer so he can get back to winning & being treated properly. Criminally underrated player.


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Monroe has been the only positive light for this team, other than maybe drummond lately, if we lose him as well we really are screwed for a looong time.

The thing is, the Bucks brought the double insanely quick every time Greg established post presence. There was one time where he was so frustrated by the double that he used his size and good first step to jam it home. We need to tighten the offense to help with the pass with Monroe being doubled.

Yup, I saw the doubles. That would be my game plan if I played the Pistons. Monroe's the only player I would focus on. On our side the wings have to find ways to get him the ball. He saw doubles but created plenty of opportunities. The situation is similar to when Drummond is ignored. Bigs need wings to get them the ball in positions where they can succeed. No surprise when moose/drum do they put up monster numbers. It's surprising that a back court lacking as much talent as ours does hasn't been able to become consistent with this.


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[Lucidity]

Oh and while Smith still makes boneheaded moves, he isn't nearly as bad as he was last year. While he will never shoot a high percentage, he is much better in the post which he is playing away from. SVG plays him because he can trust him to defend, block shots, rebound, take charges, get some steals, and he is the second best playmaker on the team right now.

He didn't play well defensively yesterday, but he is a thousand times the defender Greg Monroe is. Smith wouldn't be bad on this team as a fourth option, but we have him as a second option right now.

Stan has stopped the idiotic 3's, still far too many long 2's. Stan has tried to put him in positions to succeed but offensively he's actually having a worse season than last year (as u can see by his shooting numbers) hes obviously shooting well below where he was last year inside 5 feet. He's just awful on offense.


Defensively he's been lost as usual. You, as many others have, mistake good shot blocker for good defender. Smith is a hideous defender on the perimeter (our worst next to singler) & isn't much better in the post. Monroe has been one of our better man to man post defenders & Stan has actually credited Moose many times on his quick understanding of our new defensive scheme.








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[Lucidity]

Uh, SVG deserves the benefit of the doubt. It's his first season with a team he inherited. He needs a season to assess the team and who fits in his system. Sure, we had some more wins under Cheeks but we also were stuck picking 8th in the lottery. Hopefully, the pain of losing this year will lead to a top 3 pick.

The team is going to have some financial room in the offseason to pick up a player or two and pair them with a high draft pick. I'm excited about the future. Mudiay has John Wall/D. Rose ability plus he is said to be further along in his development at this point than either of those two were.

I would slow down a bit, grabbing the #1 pick alone is pure luck & Mudiay has some great potential athletically & his size for a PG is outstanding but he can't throw it in the ocean.








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[haulerch]

Uh, SVG deserves the benefit of the doubt. It's his first season with a team he inherited. He needs a season to assess the team and who fits in his system. Sure, we had some more wins under Cheeks but we also were stuck picking 8th in the lottery. Hopefully, the pain of losing this year will lead to a top 3 pick.

The team is going to have some financial room in the offseason to pick up a player or two and pair them with a high draft pick. I'm excited about the future. Mudiay has John Wall/D. Rose ability plus he is said to be further along in his development at this point than either of those two were.

I would slow down a bit, grabbing the #1 pick alone is pure luck & Mudiay has some great potential athletically & his size for a PG is outstanding but he can't throw it in the ocean.


His shooting percentage is up, he is a playmaker (something we totally lack other than Jennings and Smith), has potential to become a very good defender. We look like a top 3 lottery team and there is a chance Mudiay will be there at 3, but honestly there are five players I would be ecstatic to get.





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[haulerch]

Oh and while Smith still makes boneheaded moves, he isn't nearly as bad as he was last year. While he will never shoot a high percentage, he is much better in the post which he is playing away from. SVG plays him because he can trust him to defend, block shots, rebound, take charges, get some steals, and he is the second best playmaker on the team right now.

He didn't play well defensively yesterday, but he is a thousand times the defender Greg Monroe is. Smith wouldn't be bad on this team as a fourth option, but we have him as a second option right now.

Stan has stopped the idiotic 3's, still far too many long 2's. Stan has tried to put him in positions to succeed but offensively he's actually having a worse season than last year (as u can see by his shooting numbers) hes obviously shooting well below where he was last year inside 5 feet. He's just awful on offense.


Defensively he's been lost as usual. You, as many others have, mistake good shot blocker for good defender. Smith is a hideous defender on the perimeter (our worst next to singler) & isn't much better in the post. Monroe has been one of our better man to man post defenders & Stan has actually credited Moose many times on his quick understanding of our new defensive scheme.








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He will obviously never be an efficient scorer, but he has value on this team in the right role. My point about being better this year is the fact that he isn't playing selfishly and buying into Stan's message. Come on, Monroe is a below average defender at best as a center, he is terrible guarding 4's. But if you want to go by SVG praise, then we can talk about Stan saying Smith can be a defensive player of the year candidate. That's all coach talk. I think you overlook Smith's defense quite a bit. He has clearly been the best big defensively up to this point, hence the fact that he plays so much.

[ComboGuardCity]

Drummond was proclaimed a scrub after 10 games. So naturually SVG is next.

[Ghost]

Drummond was proclaimed a scrub after 10 games. So naturually SVG is next.

I guess.

[epheisey]

At least Andre went off I suppose


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[DTP]

lol at people already starting to turn on SVG....like seriously. I guess every GM is supposed to go out and make major moves after any player gets off to a bad start, any player hits a shooting slump, after any losing streak......this isn't 2k people, it doesn't all work like that folks.

[Lucidity]

Oh and while Smith still makes boneheaded moves, he isn't nearly as bad as he was last year. While he will never shoot a high percentage, he is much better in the post which he is playing away from. SVG plays him because he can trust him to defend, block shots, rebound, take charges, get some steals, and he is the second best playmaker on the team right now.

He didn't play well defensively yesterday, but he is a thousand times the defender Greg Monroe is. Smith wouldn't be bad on this team as a fourth option, but we have him as a second option right now.

Stan has stopped the idiotic 3's, still far too many long 2's. Stan has tried to put him in positions to succeed but offensively he's actually having a worse season than last year (as u can see by his shooting numbers) hes obviously shooting well below where he was last year inside 5 feet. He's just awful on offense.


Defensively he's been lost as usual. You, as many others have, mistake good shot blocker for good defender. Smith is a hideous defender on the perimeter (our worst next to singler) & isn't much better in the post. Monroe has been one of our better man to man post defenders & Stan has actually credited Moose many times on his quick understanding of our new defensive scheme.








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He will obviously never be an efficient scorer, but he has value on this team in the right role. My point about being better this year is the fact that he isn't playing selfishly and buying into Stan's message. Come on, Monroe is a below average defender at best as a center, he is terrible guarding 4's. But if you want to go by SVG praise, then we can talk about Stan saying Smith can be a defensive player of the year candidate. That's all coach talk. I think you overlook Smith's defense quite a bit. He has clearly been the best big defensively up to this point, hence the fact that he plays so much.

I get all the usual mb rhetoric but Monroe has been a much better defender than Smith this year. Offensively Monroe is 20x the player Smith is.





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[Lucidity]

His shooting percentage is up, he is a playmaker (something we totally lack other than Jennings and Smith), has potential to become a very good defender. We look like a top 3 lottery team and there is a chance Mudiay will be there at 3, but honestly there are five players I would be ecstatic to get.

Not knocking Mudiay, he's a great athlete with great size but he still can't shoot. However we need a playmaker as we have none now. (Calling Jennings a playmaker would be a bit of a stretch but he's obv been so much better so far. Calling Josh a playmaker would be laughable)



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