Tuning up the Pistons

[Pharaoh]

1 - POR won't give up Lopez for junk. He's their starter and his addition to that team has absolutely helped them big time.

2 - trading most of the team in a single season is completely unrealistic and if it was that easy we'd have already made moves.

Truth is no one wants to give us anything of value for Smith - so SVG is trying to increase his value.

Nothing of value comes easy...it's a process...it takes time...hard work...etc


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[Snakebites]

I have wondered if starting Smith every single game wasn't a way to increase his trade value.

If it is its not working, though. He's actually been worse.

[Manocad]

I am ready to begin the process of tuning this team.

[Ghost]

I am ready to begin the process of tuning this team.

^SVG and Bowers.

(Pic is from the TV show "The Manhatten Project", first season was actually pretty good.)

[ImHeisenberg]

Charlotte are actively looking to make trades- specifically on the wing and power forward position. The only off limits players are Kemba Walker, MKG, and Big Al.

How about Josh Smith and Kyle Singler for Lance Stephenson and Marvin Williams?

Gives Charlotte a defensive PF to put next to Jefferson's offense. Singler will help space the floor and bring shooting in where MKG lacks.

Detroit shakes up their roster. Lance starts at the 2, Monroe at 4 and Williams can back-up the 3 and 4 with Butler starting. KCP can also play some minutes at the 3.

[whitehops]

for what it's worth, the pistons 'pythagorean record' is 5-12, which isn't quite as bad as 3-14 for a rebuilding team.

[ImHeisenberg]

for what it's worth, the pistons 'pythagorean record' is 5-12, which isn't quite as bad as 3-14 for a rebuilding team.

It's not worth anything to me. Their record is what it is. You can doll it up with some statistical equations all you like.

[tmorgan]

for what it's worth, the pistons 'pythagorean record' is 5-12, which isn't quite as bad as 3-14 for a rebuilding team.

A team whose only "finishers" are a post-up threat that might be disinterested (and is coming off the bench) and the very definition of a "hot-and-cold shooter" isn't going to perform up to their stats. We suck in the 4th quarter and that shouldn't be real surprise.

[Uncle Mxy]

for what it's worth, the pistons 'pythagorean record' is 5-12, which isn't quite as bad as 3-14 for a rebuilding team.

The Pythagorean record only works when running a triangle offense.

[Blkbrd671]

Thats what i'm saying, it would take a lot more to get Lopez

Really!? he's pretty much a backup hustle center at this point. i don't think Portland see's him as their future center

he's averaging 15/10/2blks per 36, he's got a great drtg and fg% allowed at the rim and he's one of the most efficient offensive players in the game (59%TS)

If you use WS/48 he'd be the best player on our team by a mile

So your saying robin lopez is better than dre?


I am trying to take you seriously but it seems your living on a stat sheet, in reality, Lopez is a good backup center

[Blkbrd671]

1 - POR won't give up Lopez for junk. He's their starter and his addition to that team has absolutely helped them big time.

Hence why i had leonard or kaman there. I think they are happy with Kaman, Leonard would be a nice addition

2 - trading most of the team in a single season is completely unrealistic and if it was that easy we'd have already made moves.

Not true, deadline is approaching and no one said it was easy.

Truth is no one wants to give us anything of value for Smith - so SVG is trying to increase his value.

Thompson and Williams is not tremendous value for a team that has shown interest




.

[princeofpalace]

Drummond is having a bad season so far- aside from rebounding he does nothing well. Nodbody would take Lopez over Drummond long term but so far this season, if you are being objective, Lopez is having a more positive impact to the Trailblazers than Drummond is having to the Pistons both offensively and defensively.

[Blkbrd671]

I have wondered if starting Smith every single game wasn't a way to increase his trade value.

If it is its not working, though. He's actually been worse.

That has to be the reason, cuz honestly i don't understand it. I've listen to SVG talk and i know he's a pretty smart guy and great coach. Watching our first 5 games, he should have seen outright how much Smith hurt us. I believe he has the most minutes per on our team, hopefully teams see's this as "josh needs a change of scenery" and not, "keep that a*hole off our team"

[Blkbrd671]

Charlotte are actively looking to make trades- specifically on the wing and power forward position. The only off limits players are Kemba Walker, MKG, and Big Al.

How about Josh Smith and Kyle Singler for Lance Stephenson and Marvin Williams?

LS is the last thing this team needs, he's not a good shooter and he's a head case. SVG would bench him half the time. Zeller on the other hand is intriguing.

Detroit shakes up their roster. Lance starts at the 2, Monroe at 4 and Williams can back-up the 3 and 4 with Butler starting. KCP can also play some minutes at the 3.

Zeller make more sense, i believe he has a decent midrange game, and compliments both Dre and moose

[Blkbrd671]

Drummond is having a bad season so far- aside from rebounding he does nothing well. Nodbody would take Lopez over Drummond long term but so far this season, if you are being objective, Lopez is having a more positive impact to the Trailblazers than Drummond is having to the Pistons both offensively and defensively.

So if we are talking about just this season, you'd trade lopez for Drummond?

[Pharaoh]

1 - POR won't give up Lopez for junk. He's their starter and his addition to that team has absolutely helped them big time.

Hence why i had leonard or kaman there. I think they are happy with Kaman, Leonard would be a nice addition

2 - trading most of the team in a single season is completely unrealistic and if it was that easy we'd have already made moves.

Not true, deadline is approaching and no one said it was easy.

Truth is no one wants to give us anything of value for Smith - so SVG is trying to increase his value.

Thompson and Williams is not tremendous value for a team that has shown interest
.

POR signed Kaman for a reason and I doubt they trade him. Leonard is nothing but a warm body...Joel Anthony fits that bill

I doubt any team could trade so many players in a single season, even with the deadline so far away. If you believe otherwise that's cool but I'll stick with my opinion that its "unrealistic" since the last few deadlines have been boring as can be.

Thompson and Williams was viewed as poor value by TPTB. Last time I checked they were the only people that count!

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[princeofpalace]

Drummond is having a bad season so far- aside from rebounding he does nothing well. Nodbody would take Lopez over Drummond long term but so far this season, if you are being objective, Lopez is having a more positive impact to the Trailblazers than Drummond is having to the Pistons both offensively and defensively.

So if we are talking about just this season, you'd trade lopez for Drummond?

This season, we'd have looked much better on both sides swapping Drummond for Lopez. Drummond has been a below average C thus far. There are probably 15-20 guys we could sub in at PF or C for Drummond this year and be improved as a team.

Obviously I would not trade Drummond for Lopez since Lopez is what he is and Drummond atleast has the potential to improve but that doesn't change the fact that Andre is having a very rough season so far since he's having very little success offensively and he's still lost defensively and often chooses to argue with refs instead of hustling back on defense.

[Blkbrd671]

Obviously I would not trade Drummond for Lopez since Lopez is what he is and Drummond at least has the potential to improve .

Exactly, idk where this notion that Lopez is some untradable player and franchise cornerstone. He's playing 18mpg, and putting up good stats. HPortland has 3 centers, and i believe back up PG is a need. We need a back up center. seems like a good fit. I have all 3 of their centers in the same tier with Kaman with a slight edge.