The "Big Three" is Obviously Not Working, So What is Next?

msattam · Post #1 » by **msattam** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 5:29 pm

Here's my final for my English course. It's pretty obvious that the big three need to be broken up, but what should happen? Who should get the boot? What should we do?

Give it a read if you have 5-10 minutes. I would greatly appreciate it. Let me know what you guys think should happen, too.

https://docs.google.com/a/umich.edu/doc ... wD7iX8/pub

MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 6:16 pm

Its working just fine, right now we are looking at drafting either Okafor or Mudiay and I want to keep it that way. Even if we dont want to keep Okafor, Do you know what kind of trade value that pick would hold?

msattam · Post #3 » by **msattam** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:35 pm

Do you really think the Drummond, Monroe and Smith combination is fine?

MotownMadness · Post #4 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:55 pm

msattam wrote:Do you really think the Drummond, Monroe and Smith combination is fine?

I do t think anything is fine about this team. Smith is a god awful player and we dont have a efficient wing or backcourt player anywhere. Its not just the big 3, Its efficiency and not having a go to guy. The team needs a high pick badly too add more talent or assets. If we could get Mudiay then maybe he would become that go to guy or say we draft a SF like Johnson who looks like hes going to be a elite defender with crazy athleticism.

ImHeisenberg · Post #5 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:31 pm

What's next? The lottery.

Or, SVG pulls off some massive trades.

Defor · Post #6 » by **Defor** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:56 pm

The more we lose the the more I think we need to **** can Monroe and Smith. Monroe isn,t going to resign and Smith is a loss cause , if your not gonna be a part of our future you should be gone. Oviosly were not gonna get much for Monroe, but something is better then nothing. There's a contender out there willing to give up something ,that he would be willing to go to. Smith just needs to go I don't care what we get as long as the contract isn't longer. I'm sick of trying make a collection of players that are one dimensional, noncaring, or just plain boneheaded , play good basketball .Its time to clean house and hopefully get a num. 1 pick to roll with next season.

pistontr · Post #7 » by **pistontr** » Sun Dec 7, 2014 3:35 am

all of this is dumars fault. he signed ben gordon while we had hamilton. he signed josh smith while we had drummond/monroe.

Lucidity · Post #8 » by **Lucidity** » Sun Dec 7, 2014 5:26 pm

Lol at doing your English final on the God awful Pistons.

I would give you an F the moment I read the title.. For having the audacity to think I would read 1500 words about Josh Smith.

Lol

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triplet1984 · Post #9 » by **triplet1984** » Sun Dec 7, 2014 7:27 pm

We dump 2 out of the 3. Smith obviously. And Monroe if he won't sign, or maybe Drummond if he does.

jakebernat · Post #10 » by **jakebernat** » Sun Dec 7, 2014 9:30 pm

Move Jennings and singler for a 2nd rounder and let dinwiddie get some burn. That's about the only change I'd make. Tank the rest of the season with the big 3, draft mudiay, let moose walk, try to dump smith in the offseason, and go hard after Tobias Harris and Jimmy butler in the offseason. That's probably our best bet, unless we draft a SF, then we can try and lure knight back to Detroit.

Ghost · Post #11 » by **Ghost** » Sun Dec 7, 2014 9:41 pm

Lucidity wrote:Lol at doing your English final on the God awful Pistons.

I would give you an F the moment I read the title.. For having the audacity to think I would read 1500 words about Josh Smith.

Lol

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LMAOOOOOO. This is great.

ven412 · Post #12 » by **ven412** » Mon Dec 8, 2014 6:15 am

Lucidity wrote:Lol at doing your English final on the God awful Pistons.

I would give you an F the moment I read the title.. For having the audacity to think I would read 1500 words about Josh Smith.

Lol

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IIRC, English 125 is the intro to writing class that all U of M Freshman have to take (mine was 15 years ago, so I might be a bit rusty). Anyways, we all did our final persuasive papers on random ass topics from political, social, to the inane.

I did mine on the insanity of overclocking computer processors.

B_BallReasons · Post #13 » by **B_BallReasons** » Mon Dec 8, 2014 7:13 am

I don't understand the coaching staff. The Pistons have enough talent to be successful. I can't believe Van Gundy has gotten this sorry since Orlando.

First things first. Josh Smith needs to GTFO. He needs to move to the bench. This is the most obvious move to make from the get go. I'm not sure who can start at SF but I'm assuming it's Singler? I've seen him play and he is adequate for the job.

Secondly, Monroe needs to continue coming off the bench. There is nothing wrong with having him come off the bench. He can be a sixth man player just as Jamal Crawford is. Plus Drummond gets into foul trouble a lot. It wouldn't be surprising to see Monroe get more minutes on a daily basis. Plus you can't really have both in there. Van Gundy loves to have his players jack up 3 pointers. Having both guys don't space the floor for the type of offense he likes to run.

I honestly don't think KCP is the guy for them. They desperately need Meeks back. He is a much better defender and 3 pt shooter. He is a much better scoring threat from the 3pt line than Pope.

Van Gundy needs to teach Jennings how to play Bball. If Van Gundy wants to prove he is a legit coach he is going to mold Jennings into a top 10 pg, and he can. He basically needs to get in his mind that he needs to drive the ball more/take shots from the paint. Limit the 3 point shooting. Why? Easy shots gives more confidence in a players jumper, and makes them play better D when they score. That's it. Jennings will become a new player overnight.

Easier said than done but these are the adjustments they need to make in order to take a turn for the better. I believe this team has enough talent to be a playoff team.

Also, this BS I hear about them not shooting in practice. Yeah...this needs to change. The stats don't lie.

dan2314 · Post #14 » by **dan2314** » Mon Dec 8, 2014 8:32 am

Monroe is the ONLY ONE on this team who can manufacture a shot for himself. This is why he must stay.

Im very confident that Moose will stay if Josh Smith is gone and we pay him enough money. I have no problems giving him the max if that's what it takes. Him and Drummond together has the potential to be terrific.
Now I cant be bothered, but i'm sure if you compared the lineup combinations of smith/dre, moose/dre, and smith/moose, it would be very clear which is the most effective. Smith/dre might be a bit better in blocks, but def rating, off rating, +/- etc would all signal the smith/dre is awful, especially offensively, and it takes a huge turn when monroe is on the floor, because that's definitely what the eyes tell me.

It all starts with removing josh smith. He has plenty of raw talent, but he just does attribute to successful basketball teams, mainly because defenses invite him to take over games, and he obliges, which is simply not his game. He makes so many mistakes, offensively and especially defensively(something not talked about enough because of his blocks/steal numbers), that you can see the body language of the rest of the team become so negative and makes it so hard for them to feel confident about winning when coaches continue to put him back in the game.
Josh needs to be a 3rd option offensively on a team where he can play off better offensive options, taking less shots, and attacking when the defenses are shifted towards a star. It's as much the fault that detroit have no offensive options, as it is him not able to play intelligently.

I feel like losing Smith, even for no return (maybe atleast a rotation big though so jonas isnt playing 30mpg) could be one of those moves that is an addition by subtraction that you see year after year in the NBA.
Either way though, it's finally time for panic and i really hope something happens very soon, because there are very little signs of hope on the current roster.