New York and Atlanta interested in Greg Monroe

[Blkbrd671]

Monroe will not be giving up his bird rights, unless the team he's going to will be signing him long term.

Without bird rights, he would only be able to sign with teams with cap room. Right now, that is a very small number. With bird rights he can sign with theoretically every other team in the league, obviously depending on their desire to pursue Monroe.

However, he's not going to limit himself to only a small number of teams right off the bat. That'd be an awful way to approach free agency.

Hey Monroe, do you want to suck all season or go to a contending team that's down to pay you what your asking...................................Is it really that much of a unlikely scenario?

Yes, because no contending team will have enough cap space to give him what he wants money-wise.

So, the real question would be: Hey Monroe, do you want to play on a terrible team all season, and actually put up decent numbers, lining yourself up for $10m+/yr or would you rather go play for a winner (maybe as a 3rd, 4th, or even lesser option on offense) and end up with either no bird rights, or a sub-$10m/yr contract.

We can no longer sign and trade? and i don't get why he'd end up with a sub 10 m contract!? Teams are going to go from offering him the max to maybe 10 mil? that makes no sense.

[Hotmayo]

I think you are correct that if we have zero interest in resigning him, or he has zero interest in staying in Detroit, then his bird rights are useless at this stage. I don't think either party has completely ruled this option out yet though.

A mid season trade is possible, but I think it would probably only gain us a marginal prospect at best, so I'm not sure it's the way to go. I'm guessing we'll be getting a few calls and if somebody offers a good deal, we can try and push it through.

I think we could get a better return during the offseason from a team like OKC, that doesn't have the cap space to sign him. Obviously by keeping him, we run the very real risk of losing him to a team with cap space (like portland or new york or atlanta) for nothing, so it's a judgement call and without knowing what Moose wants, it's virtually impossible to make that call from the outside looking in.

Honestly at this point we need to get what we can and cut our ties. We are the worst team in the league with these 3. Dre is our future, moose doesn't compliment him, or is about to not be worth his pay vs production. While i would love to maximize his return(S&T), i also rather develop Dre and surround him with pieces that do. I guess i'm more willing than most to take that next step .

Youre not the only one. The second we drafted drummond I wanted to trade monroe and knight for a star wing. But, joe held onto the pieces too long and made horrible trades. Now, we just have to let monroe walk and tank again next year. We need two str8 yrs of consecutive top 3 picks to rebuild. Look at washington wizards.

[Blkbrd671]

Youre not the only one. The second we drafted drummond I wanted to trade monroe and knight for a star wing. But, joe held onto the pieces too long and made horrible trades. Now, we just have to let monroe walk and tank again next year. We need two str8 yrs of consecutive top 3 picks to rebuild. Look at washington wizards.

My biggest concern is that SVG ignored trades for josh smith as he wanted the challenge of succeeding with the Big 3. However he has found that it maybe impossible and there's a reason NBA have not done this before. SVG is a amazing coach, however he's never GM'd and when he's evaluating his decisions, he maybe overestimating his abilities as a coach.

[epheisey]

Hey Monroe, do you want to suck all season or go to a contending team that's down to pay you what your asking...................................Is it really that much of a unlikely scenario?

Yes, because no contending team will have enough cap space to give him what he wants money-wise.

So, the real question would be: Hey Monroe, do you want to play on a terrible team all season, and actually put up decent numbers, lining yourself up for $10m+/yr or would you rather go play for a winner (maybe as a 3rd, 4th, or even lesser option on offense) and end up with either no bird rights, or a sub-$10m/yr contract.

We can no longer sign and trade? and i don't get why he'd end up with a sub 10 m contract!? Teams are going to go from offering him the max to maybe 10 mil? that makes no sense.

Because he took the QO, he cannot receive a contract extension until the QO expires. Therefore, we can't sign him to an extension now, and trade him to a contender mid-season. So if he leaves mid-season, the team that gets him can't exceed the cap to re-sign him come the offseason, because they will not have his bird rights. The number of teams that will have excess cap space, in the range of $10m+ is going to be somewhere close to single digits. Those teams are not contenders.

[Whisper]

I wonder if New York would possibly do an Amare salary trade now, if they could get the guy they want to target in FA always (Monroe)... I'd jump on a Jennings, Monroe, Smith trade for Amare.... would allow us to hit the reset button, have a ton of space next summer, get Dre, KCP, Singler, and Jonas a lot more touches and help develop the rest of the young guys we have for the future... also helps ensure a top 4 or 5 pick.

I think New York would do the deal. They are just as much a mess as we are. That being said I would not want Amare, but I would take him if it meant ridding ourselves of Smith and Jennings.

No way NY does this deal. Phil wants to bring in guys suited for the triangle. He probably doesn't want to pay the salaries of the 2 players he'd have to waive. No way that NY could clear enough cap space to resign Monroe. And why in hell would Moose want to go to another loser.

[Blkbrd671]

Because he took the QO, he cannot receive a contract extension until the QO expires. Therefore, we can't sign him to an extension now, and trade him to a contender mid-season. So if he leaves mid-season, the team that gets him can't exceed the cap to re-sign him come the offseason, because they will not have his bird rights. The number of teams that will have excess cap space, in the range of $10m+ is going to be somewhere close to single digits. Those teams are not contenders.

1.) If the team that gets him has expiring deals this year, they can resign him, or position themselves too .

2.) THANK YOU for clarifying, i've been asking these questions for almsot 4 days and no one has been able to actually answer the question. It has nothing to do with the amount of money he's going to make but rather the amount of options available to him to sign.

3.) i can now see how trading moose is highly unlikely.

[mus123]

I wanna trade Monroe as mush as I wanna trade Josh Smith lol.

[ChipButty]

Monroe will not be giving up his bird rights, unless the team he's going to will be signing him long term.

Without bird rights, he would only be able to sign with teams with cap room. Right now, that is a very small number. With bird rights he can sign with theoretically every other team in the league, obviously depending on their desire to pursue Monroe.

However, he's not going to limit himself to only a small number of teams right off the bat. That'd be an awful way to approach free agency.

I think that as long as the team he goes to has the cap space to offer him a max deal, then he would still have the potential to work a sign and trade to a different team, even one over the cap.

I don't see how he'd lose all flexibility if we traded him to a team like Atlanta or Portland this month. I don't see them giving much up to get him though.

Without knowing what he wants, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of a trade.

[mattao313]

Spurs (if Tim or manu retire), Celtics, OKC, Lakers, Hawks, Knicks, Pelicans, and maybe the Heat. Out of those teams 6 can sign him without bird rights. Out of the others theirs nothing I want from them maybe Ryan Anderson and that's it and I'm sure they want to keep him. Why would the Pistons do a sign and trade for players they don't want/bad contracts to help Monroe to get a big pay day?

Their aren't many contenders or playoff teams that want Monroe anyway. Like I posted earlier OKC can trade Perkins and PJ3 and a pick for Monroe Perkins is a expiring anyway and OKC is trying to win it all picks have very little value on a contender and PJ3 doesn't even get much playing time. It doesn't change the situation at all. I'm 90% sure Monroe is not getting a max contract esspeically not from a good team.

[Pharaoh]

Spurs (if Tim or manu retire), Celtics, OKC, Lakers, Hawks, Knicks, Pelicans, and maybe the Heat. Out of those teams 6 can sign him without bird rights. Out of the others theirs nothing I want from them maybe Ryan Anderson and that's it and I'm sure they want to keep him. Why would the Pistons do a sign and trade for players they don't want/bad contracts to help Monroe to get a big pay day?

Their aren't many contenders or playoff teams that want Monroe anyway. Like I posted earlier OKC can trade Perkins and PJ3 and a pick for Monroe Perkins is a expiring anyway and OKC is trying to win it all picks have very little value on a contender and PJ3 doesn't even get much playing time. It doesn't change the situation at all. I'm 90% sure Monroe is not getting a max contract esspeically not from a good team.

IF OKC traded for Monroe then it's they'll be going all in on ONE championship, since I doubt theyll be able to retain Monroe.

Is that more attractive to them than staying their current course?

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[mattao313]

IF OKC traded for Monroe then it's they'll be going all in on ONE championship, since I doubt theyll be able to retain Monroe.

Is that more attractive to them than staying their current course?

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They lose very little Perkins is getting like 9m and they have 2 other expiring contracts (I think) I think they could offer a good contract but I'm not sure.

[Pharaoh]

I honestly think it's the "close but not quite" teams we need to look at as trading partners for Monroe.

The teams that won't have the space to sign him won't want to give up an asset for 3/4 of the season rental

AND

The teams with the space to sign him outright wouldn't be willing to part with a legit asset now when they can just wait until the off-season

BUT

With our expirings we could get a team that is almost there as far as space goes over that hump and that would allow them to retain Monroe...assuming he'd agree to the trade.

So...which teams figure to have $8 mil in cap space next off-season?

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[Dirtgrain]

Without bird rights, he would only be able to sign with teams with cap room. Right now, that is a very small number. With bird rights he can sign with theoretically every other team in the league, obviously depending on their desire to pursue Monroe. . . .

Because he took the QO, he cannot receive a contract extension until the QO expires. Therefore, we can't sign him to an extension now, and trade him to a contender mid-season. So if he leaves mid-season, the team that gets him can't exceed the cap to re-sign him come the offseason, because they will not have his bird rights. The number of teams that will have excess cap space, in the range of $10m+ is going to be somewhere close to single digits. Those teams are not contenders.

What do you mean "theoretically"?

[ChipButty]

IF OKC traded for Monroe then it's they'll be going all in on ONE championship, since I doubt theyll be able to retain Monroe.

Is that more attractive to them than staying their current course?

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They lose very little Perkins is getting like 9m and they have 2 other expiring contracts (I think) I think they could offer a good contract but I'm not sure.

OKC already has $63M in guaranteed salary on the books for next year. I don't see any reasonable way for them to clear the salary they would need to clear to offer Monroe a long term deal. If OKC is the team he wants to go to then I think an off-season deal is more likely. I like the idea of a Reggie Jackson for Monroe sign and trade. If Monroe is dead set on leaving, I think that would be about as good a return as we could get.

[epheisey]

Without bird rights, he would only be able to sign with teams with cap room. Right now, that is a very small number. With bird rights he can sign with theoretically every other team in the league, obviously depending on their desire to pursue Monroe. . . .

Because he took the QO, he cannot receive a contract extension until the QO expires. Therefore, we can't sign him to an extension now, and trade him to a contender mid-season. So if he leaves mid-season, the team that gets him can't exceed the cap to re-sign him come the offseason, because they will not have his bird rights. The number of teams that will have excess cap space, in the range of $10m+ is going to be somewhere close to single digits. Those teams are not contenders.

What do you mean "theoretically"?

As in, if they actually wanted him, they could make it work, via a S&T. However, there's a number of teams that likely will have zero interest simply because he doesn't fill a need. So logistically, there's a number of teams that won't be interested regardless, but in theory, every team COULD pursue him in some fashion.