Simple -- realistic -- Plan for a quick turnaround.

blueadams · Post #1 » by **blueadams** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:26 pm

Hopefully this latest win streak is an aberration, and we end up getting a top-2 or 3 pick. If we do, Emmanuel Mudiay is really a no-brainer. Not a great outside shooter, and needs A LOT of coaching. But super skill set. Great athlete. Great instincts. Like a Rondo who can finish at the rim. The perfect P&R handler for this franchise. Perfect, perfect partner for Drummond.

#2: Realllly hoping we can turn Greg Monroe into a lotto pick. New Orleans? Because Caris LeVert is one hell of a player. And he's currently very underrated, as far as I can tell. Will shoot close to .400 from deep in the NBA. Great handle. Great passing instincts. Can take it to the rim, when he's not his team's focal point. Perfect intangibles-wise. Great athlete. Will get stronger, eventually. Great effort on D and everywhere else, too. Will end up being a fine defender. Would be a perfect backcourt partner to Mudiay.

#3: Danny Green. One of the best 3 or 4 outside shooters in the game. Has become a decent defender and all-around player in SA. They won't be able to resign him. Big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to handle the 3 spot. Would be a PERFECT signing for us.

#4: Will need to sign a decent backup big to replace Monroe. Haven't gotten too into that search yet. But there will obviously be someone available.

#5: I'd look to shed Jennings for whatever you can get. Or just release, deactivate him. He'll be an expiring contract next season. Should be some options.

C: Drummond, ???, Gray
PF: Smith, Mitchell
SF: Da. Green, KCP, Martin
SG: LeVert, Meeks
PG: Mudiay, Augustine, Dinwiddie

That's a young team. And it'll take some time. But I really love it. Perfect P&R handler for Drummond. Great outside shooters on the wings. One of which (LeVert) can really do some other things. Smith in there doing what he does. Good backup guards. Front-court depth obviously a little weak -- would be nice to sign a real player who can spot the 5 and 4, if possible.

From there on, moving forward. Just gotta try to acquire that shooting 4 somehow. To replace Smith the next season, when his contract expires.

Ghost · Post #2 » by **Ghost** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:34 pm

4. The Pelicans will send their pick to the Rockets if it falls somewhere between 4-19;

Just to play the game, I don't know if Danny Green can constantly play SF... maybe. At least with Green/KCP/LeVert/Mudiay/Dinwiddie/Meeks there would be a lot of defensive potential for matchups and switches. Still, this is going to take time. We could do all of this and there would still be growing pains since it's such a young team. Probably would result in another top 5-10ish pick the following year which could result in drafting that big you're looking for.

MrBigShot · Post #3 » by **MrBigShot** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:31 pm

Danny Green is a great role player but I think there are other FAs we should at least try to go after. Namely,

Dragic, Tobias Harris, Draymond Green, Milsap, Jeff Green, Horford to name a few. Tobias Harris/Milsap/Draymond Green especially are all guys that I would love to have on this team.

blueadams · Post #4 » by **blueadams** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:16 pm

Think you underestimate Da. Green. Dragic makes sense, unless we have a top 2-3 pick and take Mudiay. Those other guys you listed were depth bigs--that we don't need at those salaries. Or wings who don't shoot nearly as well from outside as Da. Green. THAT is what we need. Shooting wings.

epheisey · Post #5 » by **epheisey** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:54 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Danny Green is a great role player but I think there are other FAs we should at least try to go after. Namely,

Dragic, Tobias Harris, Draymond Green, Milsap, Jeff Green, Horford to name a few. Tobias Harris/Milsap/Draymond Green especially are all guys that I would love to have on this team.

So Danny Green is a role player, and then you're pitching Draymond Green as a target?

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MrBigShot · Post #6 » by **MrBigShot** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:17 pm

epheisey wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Danny Green is a great role player but I think there are other FAs we should at least try to go after. Namely,

Dragic, Tobias Harris, Draymond Green, Milsap, Jeff Green, Horford to name a few. Tobias Harris/Milsap/Draymond Green especially are all guys that I would love to have on this team.

So Danny Green is a role player, and then you're pitching Draymond Green as a target?

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Yeah, I'm comfortable saying that I'd prefer to have Draymond on this team. Danny Green would be a good addition too, but I'd rather go after all of the guys I listed first. Not interested in having a debate over who is/isn't a role player.

That's my opinion and if you disagree you are more than welcome to give your opinion.

epheisey · Post #7 » by **epheisey** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:40 am

MrBigShot wrote:
epheisey wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Danny Green is a great role player but I think there are other FAs we should at least try to go after. Namely,

Dragic, Tobias Harris, Draymond Green, Milsap, Jeff Green, Horford to name a few. Tobias Harris/Milsap/Draymond Green especially are all guys that I would love to have on this team.

So Danny Green is a role player, and then you're pitching Draymond Green as a target?

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Yeah, I'm comfortable saying that I'd prefer to have Draymond on this team. Danny Green would be a good addition too, but I'd rather go after all of the guys I listed first. Not interested in having a debate over who is/isn't a role player.

That's my opinion and if you disagree you are more than welcome to give your opinion.

I want desperately to stay away from anyone with any state of michigan ties. The same way people were dying to see Trey Burke here, or Nick Stauskas, or Mitch McGary, or even going back to Mateen Cleaves. You can say whatever you want, but if Draymond Green had NOT gone to MSU, I bet no one would even bat an eye at a player of equivalent talent/value.

Demarre Carroll is a very similar player to Draymond. Thaddeus Young also fills a very similar role, probably even better defensively. But no one brings up names like those because they aren't familiar.

ImHeisenberg · Post #8 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:14 pm

#1- agree, but I don't have hope we'll fall that far. This team is destined for the 8th pick.

#2- Never going to happen. People just can't get it through their thick skulls that Monroe has a NO TRADE CLAUSE. If he does waive it, he also waives his bird rights. It doesn't make sense for him or a team trading for him unless they're going to have a ton of cap space this summer. (New Orleans will not)

#3- Green is a solid player. I don't think he can play small forward full time. Spot minutes? Yes.

#4- Thad Young will be a free agent. He seems like someone SVG would want, with his shooting range.

#5- Pretty much everyone wants Jennings gone. I don't think the market is going to be bullish for him either.

Here's the reality- there is no "quick fix" for this team. We all want it, but there's a delicate balance between building a contender and building a perennial 8th seed, or mid-lottery team. Dumars could never figure that out, and it's left us in basketball purgatory as a result.

ImHeisenberg · Post #9 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:19 pm

epheisey wrote: You can say whatever you want, but if Draymond Green had NOT gone to MSU, I bet no one would even bat an eye at a player of equivalent talent/value.

I tend to agree with this. A lot of posters over value home-town guys (just like the OP believing LeVert is something special). But, Green has been having a great season thus far.

But, with a caveat, he gets so many wide open looks thanks to playing next to Thompson and Curry. He likely wouldn't produce as well in Detroit. But, I don't think people's desire for him is strictly due to his college alma mater.

He's certainly a better target than Carroll, simply due to being significantly younger and more athletic. But, I don't know if he would be worth the contract necessary to pry him from Golden State.

Pharaoh · Post #10 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:30 pm

Assuming GSW does all it can to retain Draymond what becomes of Barnes?

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tmorgan · Post #11 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:05 pm

Given what's going on around the Bay right now, Barnes is a much more realistic and available target as a FA. I doubt the Warriors sign both to long-term deals, and Green is a bigger part of the team now.

Unlike Green, who has greatly exceeded expectations, Barnes is somewhat disappointing. He was given the keys to the second unit and didn't really do much with it. He looks like a real scorer from time to time, but also struggles quite frequently.

If he's cheap enough, I'd be interested. I wouldn't give him more than 3/20, though.

ImHeisenberg · Post #12 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:47 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Assuming GSW does all it can to retain Draymond what becomes of Barnes?

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A lot of people assume they can't keep both. I can only guess as to what their plan is. Green is definitely the better player, but if someone floors them with a max contract offer (or near it), you'd believe they'd lean towards retaining Barnes.

Who knows? They might salary dump David Lee and try to keep both.