KINGS FIRE COACH!!

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Side note- the worst thing that happen to the Kings was KJ keeping them in Sac. Chris Hansen would have been 30 mill times the owner their current guy is.


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Yeah, and it sucks that Ballmer wasn't interested in buying his hometown Pistons.

Agree 150%


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[ImHeisenberg]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-doomed ... 01188.html

Apparently, Smith is so terrible he will even get coaches fired on teams he doesn't play for.

That sets a new precedent for awful.

[ImHeisenberg]

Side note- the worst thing that happen to the Kings was KJ keeping them in Sac. Chris Hansen would have been 30 mill times the owner their current guy is.


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The fans will never agree to that statement. But, from a financial stand point, Seattle was a no-brainer.

[TurboTitan]

Sacramento doesn't deserve to have a basketball team in their city

[haulerch]

Wait, did someone really just say Josh was the Pistons best all around player? Lol

SVG may think that but... Nah, actually SVG can't think, his resume & past success says he can't think that.


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Not that I believe your answer won't be ridiculously bias, but humor me. What would make you believe SVG thinks otherwise? Is it really that inconceivable to believe Josh Smith is the best player on a 5 win team? Perhaps that's why the Pistons are a terrible team?

Sure Monroe is a better scorer but he isn't a better passer, defender, shot blocker than Smith.
It's not hard to see that Smith is probably, at the moment the best all around player. SVG plays Smith a lot of minutes for a reason and it's because he believes Smith gives him the best chance to win.

[epheisey]

Malone wasn't outstanding by any means, but you don't fire a coach this early into a season when he was in many ways, successful in his duties.

Replaceable, yes. Smart decision because of timing, no.

[DetroitSho]

Wait, did someone really just say Josh was the Pistons best all around player? Lol

SVG may think that but... Nah, actually SVG can't think, his resume & past success says he can't think that.


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Not that I believe your answer won't be ridiculously bias, but humor me. What would make you believe SVG thinks otherwise? Is it really that inconceivable to believe Josh Smith is the best player on a 5 win team? Perhaps that's why the Pistons are a terrible team?

Sure Monroe is a better scorer but he isn't a better passer, defender, shot blocker than Smith.
It's not hard to see that Smith is probably, at the moment the best all around player. SVG plays Smith a lot of minutes for a reason and it's because he believes Smith gives him the best chance to win.

Smith has a lot of basketball talent, but he's not a good basketball player. There's a difference. It's a word for what SVG believes, and its called SHOWCASING.

[DetroitSho]

To me, it's obvious that SVG believes Smith is the Pistons best player. I thinks it's fair to say that he is our ALL AROUND best player. I do believe SVG would move Smith if the price is right but I believe a lot of people on this board are mistaken if they think SVG would take the Kings trash. It's not going to happen.

I'll be surprised if Smith is moved. I just don't think SVG is willing to move him. At his best, he is a stat stuffer. But like SVG said, he is trying to do too much. His 7 turnovers speak more to this teams lack of talent than Smith's shortcomings. Smith is arguably our best playmaker, or second if you argue BJ7 is, and that's sad.

I'm ok with Smith on the team, I just want to see more talent so he can play 4th fiddle instead of top dog.

You can disagree with me, but it's apparent that SVG holds Smith in high regard.

Please elaborate on this. Because there's no way you'll ever convince me this bum dribbles off his foot out of bounds or throws alley oops at the top of the backboard because his teammates suck. I just can't....

[JD43320]

Smith probably is our best all around player. It's sad but true. It's also why we suck so bad. When I guy that bad is your most versatile player then yeah the only place you are headed is the lottery.

[theBigLip]

Good article, sounds like Malone was screwed and didn't have a much of a chance to survive.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/sacra ... one-fired/

As mentioned, Malone was against the Smith trade, so never know what could happen now

[haulerch]

To me, it's obvious that SVG believes Smith is the Pistons best player. I thinks it's fair to say that he is our ALL AROUND best player. I do believe SVG would move Smith if the price is right but I believe a lot of people on this board are mistaken if they think SVG would take the Kings trash. It's not going to happen.

I'll be surprised if Smith is moved. I just don't think SVG is willing to move him. At his best, he is a stat stuffer. But like SVG said, he is trying to do too much. His 7 turnovers speak more to this teams lack of talent than Smith's shortcomings. Smith is arguably our best playmaker, or second if you argue BJ7 is, and that's sad.

I'm ok with Smith on the team, I just want to see more talent so he can play 4th fiddle instead of top dog.

You can disagree with me, but it's apparent that SVG holds Smith in high regard.

Please elaborate on this. Because there's no way you'll ever convince me this bum dribbles off his foot out of bounds or throws alley oops at the top of the backboard because his teammates suck. I just can't....

I'm pretty much saying this team lacks playmakers. While Smith is a good and willing passer, he shouldn't be counted on as the top playmaker for this team. Just speaks to the lack of PG playmaking this season, we shouldn't be counting on Smith to fill that role. One of the reasons this team sucks and I want to see us have a chance at Mudiay. Not so much defending Smith, more just pointing out over depending on him to make plays when he is not that good.

[DBC10]

To me, it's obvious that SVG believes Smith is the Pistons best player. I thinks it's fair to say that he is our ALL AROUND best player. I do believe SVG would move Smith if the price is right but I believe a lot of people on this board are mistaken if they think SVG would take the Kings trash. It's not going to happen.

I'll be surprised if Smith is moved. I just don't think SVG is willing to move him. At his best, he is a stat stuffer. But like SVG said, he is trying to do too much. His 7 turnovers speak more to this teams lack of talent than Smith's shortcomings. Smith is arguably our best playmaker, or second if you argue BJ7 is, and that's sad.

I'm ok with Smith on the team, I just want to see more talent so he can play 4th fiddle instead of top dog.

You can disagree with me, but it's apparent that SVG holds Smith in high regard.

In what world is a player that is 39%/26%/48% a good all around player? There's literally no one in history with these kind of percentages that weren't ran out of the league.

That just show he's one dimensional especially on the offensive side. Sure he passes and his defense looks improved so far, but that hasn't translated to wins up until the last 2 games. And even then, those 2 games we won were from a struggling Suns finding their magic again and a star-less Kings. He's very much an empty stats kind of guy that you literally can't rely on. Talent is there, the brains, not so much.

[haulerch]

To me, it's obvious that SVG believes Smith is the Pistons best player. I thinks it's fair to say that he is our ALL AROUND best player. I do believe SVG would move Smith if the price is right but I believe a lot of people on this board are mistaken if they think SVG would take the Kings trash. It's not going to happen.

I'll be surprised if Smith is moved. I just don't think SVG is willing to move him. At his best, he is a stat stuffer. But like SVG said, he is trying to do too much. His 7 turnovers speak more to this teams lack of talent than Smith's shortcomings. Smith is arguably our best playmaker, or second if you argue BJ7 is, and that's sad.

I'm ok with Smith on the team, I just want to see more talent so he can play 4th fiddle instead of top dog.

You can disagree with me, but it's apparent that SVG holds Smith in high regard.

In what world is a player that is 39%/26%/48% a good all around player?

That just show he's one dimensional especially on the offensive side. Sure he passes and his defense looks improved so far, but that hasn't translated to wins up until the last 2 games. He's very much an empty stats kind of guy that you literally can't rely on. Talent is there, the brains, not so much.

I didn't say he is an all around good player but rather the Pistons best all around player. Obviously that's not much of a complement as the team has 5 wins. Being the teams best all around player has more to do than shooting percentages. I hate to really argue this because we're talking about a 5 win team at the moment.

[Lucidity]

Wait, did someone really just say Josh was the Pistons best all around player? Lol

SVG may think that but... Nah, actually SVG can't think, his resume & past success says he can't think that.


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Not that I believe your answer won't be ridiculously bias, but humor me. What would make you believe SVG thinks otherwise? Is it really that inconceivable to believe Josh Smith is the best player on a 5 win team? Perhaps that's why the Pistons are a terrible team?

Sure Monroe is a better scorer but he isn't a better passer, defender, shot blocker than Smith.
It's not hard to see that Smith is probably, at the moment the best all around player. SVG plays Smith a lot of minutes for a reason and it's because he believes Smith gives him the best chance to win.

Before we begin, you need to understand the difference between bias & truth. My history as a poster here is clear. I speak the truth, even when it's not popular. I don't so emotional responses, I bring clarity to a discussion. In no way does that mean I'm always right, but you won't catch me fabricating or fox news'ing stuff.

Monroe is better at everything but shot blocking than Smith. The only thing Josh would be among the 1 or 2 best at aside from shot blocking (which he is criminally underrated at, id actually say Josh is among the 4 or 5 best shot blockers in the entire league) is pure athleticism & even that is a stretch w/ his athleticism diminished these days.

Neither of us can say one way or another what Stan thinks, that would be speculation but the entire world knows what Josh is & Stan's history says he does too.

But 5 wins is 5 wins like you said, so does any of this actually matter? The team sucks.. Badly




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Side note- the worst thing that happen to the Kings was KJ keeping them in Sac. Chris Hansen would have been 30 mill times the owner their current guy is.


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The fans will never agree to that statement. But, from a financial stand point, Seattle was a no-brainer.

Agreed.

[DBC10]

To me, it's obvious that SVG believes Smith is the Pistons best player. I thinks it's fair to say that he is our ALL AROUND best player. I do believe SVG would move Smith if the price is right but I believe a lot of people on this board are mistaken if they think SVG would take the Kings trash. It's not going to happen.

I'll be surprised if Smith is moved. I just don't think SVG is willing to move him. At his best, he is a stat stuffer. But like SVG said, he is trying to do too much. His 7 turnovers speak more to this teams lack of talent than Smith's shortcomings. Smith is arguably our best playmaker, or second if you argue BJ7 is, and that's sad.

I'm ok with Smith on the team, I just want to see more talent so he can play 4th fiddle instead of top dog.

You can disagree with me, but it's apparent that SVG holds Smith in high regard.

In what world is a player that is 39%/26%/48% a good all around player?

That just show he's one dimensional especially on the offensive side. Sure he passes and his defense looks improved so far, but that hasn't translated to wins up until the last 2 games. He's very much an empty stats kind of guy that you literally can't rely on. Talent is there, the brains, not so much.

I didn't say he is an all around good player but rather the Pistons best all around player. Obviously that's not much of a complement as the team has 5 wins. Being the teams best all around player has more to do than shooting percentages. I hate to really argue this because we're talking about a 5 win team at the moment.

I think it's fair to say we shouldn't throw around words like "all around best player" when describing anyone on the Pistons. Especially Smith with his NBA historic lows. He has his good moments, but often times get overshadowed by bad.

[Lucidity]

Wait, did someone really just say Josh was the Pistons best all around player? Lol

SVG may think that but... Nah, actually SVG can't think, his resume & past success says he can't think that.


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Not that I believe your answer won't be ridiculously bias, but humor me. What would make you believe SVG thinks otherwise? Is it really that inconceivable to believe Josh Smith is the best player on a 5 win team? Perhaps that's why the Pistons are a terrible team?

Sure Monroe is a better scorer but he isn't a better passer, defender, shot blocker than Smith.
It's not hard to see that Smith is probably, at the moment the best all around player. SVG plays Smith a lot of minutes for a reason and it's because he believes Smith gives him the best chance to win.

Smith has a lot of basketball talent, but he's not a good basketball player. There's a difference. It's a word for what SVG believes, and its called SHOWCASING.

Most would lean heavily in the direction of this assumption. Even though there's likely no audience to showcase for.

It would be very difficult to believe a guy with Stan's history & pure bball intelligence really believes Josh as a top option will ever be a winning game plan.


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[DetroitSho]

To me, it's obvious that SVG believes Smith is the Pistons best player. I thinks it's fair to say that he is our ALL AROUND best player. I do believe SVG would move Smith if the price is right but I believe a lot of people on this board are mistaken if they think SVG would take the Kings trash. It's not going to happen.

I'll be surprised if Smith is moved. I just don't think SVG is willing to move him. At his best, he is a stat stuffer. But like SVG said, he is trying to do too much. His 7 turnovers speak more to this teams lack of talent than Smith's shortcomings. Smith is arguably our best playmaker, or second if you argue BJ7 is, and that's sad.

I'm ok with Smith on the team, I just want to see more talent so he can play 4th fiddle instead of top dog.

You can disagree with me, but it's apparent that SVG holds Smith in high regard.

Please elaborate on this. Because there's no way you'll ever convince me this bum dribbles off his foot out of bounds or throws alley oops at the top of the backboard because his teammates suck. I just can't....

I'm pretty much saying this team lacks playmakers. While Smith is a good and willing passer, he shouldn't be counted on as the top playmaker for this team. Just speaks to the lack of PG playmaking this season, we shouldn't be counting on Smith to fill that role. One of the reasons this team sucks and I want to see us have a chance at Mudiay. Not so much defending Smith, more just pointing out over depending on him to make plays when he is not that good.

Counted on as the top playmaker? Who says this was his specified role? This reminds me of the claim last year that he was counted on being the team's #1 option and go to guy. He HIMSELF thinks he's the team's top playmaker. How many times does he grab a rebound and go, waving off Jennings as if he's the PG.

Answer this question, did say the '01-02 Pistons have a ton more talent than this Pistons team? That team had a revolving door of Chucky Atkins, Dana Barros and Damon Jones at PG. And King Bum of em all Michael Curry was your starting SF playing good minutes. You're right in regards to lack of talent. But it's more so Smith not understanding his own lack of talent when trying to attempt certain feats.

[Laimbeer]

The Kings of Confusion strike again. If we had an opening I'd go after Malone in a heartbeat.