Another reason we need to win

[DetroitSho]

Of course the Pistons need to win as much as possible. The idea of a "Detroit Tax" to acquire FAs is a myth. This is simply a "losing team tax." Do the Red Wings or the Tigers really have to pay extra? Detroit has endured some tough times, but pro athletes don't live in that world. Another myth is this "must get a top 3 or 5 pick" to be successful. Kawhi Leonard was a number 15 pick and everyone would gladly take him. The Pistons need to win, properly manage their roster, and scout well. Good teams have a mix of youth and experience, and they almost always don't depend on players on their rookie contracts for their success. There are nice players in this draft, but no one stands out as a transcendent talent. To further foster the cliché, winning cures all ills.

This post was beyond great. Very well said my man.

[princeofpalace]

This is why we need to win



Look at how happy these guys are, a weight has been lifted. We need this in the lockeroom to help build for the future. And, if we want to retain Monroe, look at him- thats not a guy who wants out at all costs. Also, we are closer to relevance than we thought.

[Pharaoh]

We need to win enough games to show Monroe and free agents that we're a team on the rise...and because winning is what great organizations do!

People trash Jerry Krause for saying organisations win championships but it's true!

Since 1984 the following organizations have won the title:

Boston
Lakers
Detroit
Chicago
Houston
Spurs
Miami
Dallas

30 years and only 9 different franchises...

IF you discount Dallas as a one (DIRK) hit wonder and Houston as a one (HAKEEM) hit wonder you're down to 7 organisations over a 30 year period that have caught lighting in a bottle on more than 1 occasion.

People troll in here cause their team is finally playing winning basketball! We're winners! History shows it and SVG spoke at length about legacy, about what it means to wear the Pistons jersey, what it means to play Detroit Basketball!

He'll turn us around...and it won't take 5 years!

[DetroitSho]

We need to win enough games to show Monroe and free agents that we're a team on the rise...and because winning is what great organizations do!

People trash Jerry Krause for saying organisations win championships but it's true!

Since 1984 the following organizations have won the title:

Boston
Lakers
Detroit
Chicago
Houston
Spurs
Miami
Dallas

30 years and only 9 different franchises...

IF you discount Dallas as a one (DIRK) hit wonder and Houston as a one (HAKEEM) hit wonder you're down to 7 organisations over a 30 year period that have caught lighting in a bottle on more than 1 occasion.

People troll in here cause their team is finally playing winning basketball! We're winners! History shows it and SVG spoke at length about legacy, about what it means to wear the Pistons jersey, what it means to play Detroit Basketball!

He'll turn us around...and it won't take 5 years!

Sorry to break it to you but Houston won it twice.

[Pharaoh]

We need to win enough games to show Monroe and free agents that we're a team on the rise...and because winning is what great organizations do!

People trash Jerry Krause for saying organisations win championships but it's true!

Since 1984 the following organizations have won the title:

Boston
Lakers
Detroit
Chicago
Houston
Spurs
Miami
Dallas

30 years and only 9 different franchises...

IF you discount Dallas as a one (DIRK) hit wonder and Houston as a one (HAKEEM) hit wonder you're down to 7 organisations over a 30 year period that have caught lighting in a bottle on more than 1 occasion.

People troll in here cause their team is finally playing winning basketball! We're winners! History shows it and SVG spoke at length about legacy, about what it means to wear the Pistons jersey, what it means to play Detroit Basketball!

He'll turn us around...and it won't take 5 years!

Sorry to break it to you but Houston won it twice.

One hit wonder though cause they haven't sniffed a title since Hakeem

[Pharaoh]

My drinking impacted tjat poat actually. It should have read TWO hit wonder for Houston

My bad

[Cowology]

While I agree... Our history as a franchise essentially became null and void with the passing of Mr. D. Everything from Karen on has been a giant cluster ****.

It's now up to SVG to put us back on the right track.

[Manocad]

I don't agree that the Pistons "need" to win. If teaching this team a new and better system/culture that they're not used to leads to mistakes on the court that cause losses in the early phases of a new culture/structure/system development--which could be a whole season--I'd support that wholeheartedly. You have to build the strong foundation first. If the building of a new culture/structure/system results immediately in more wins, then I have no problem with that either--BUILDING THE TEAM THE RIGHT WAY IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT. I would never support true tanking, i.e. intentionally not putting your best team on the floor or making no effort to make them better in order pile up losses and get a higher draft pick. Let's say for example that SVG does all the right things and the team ends up winning 45 games this year. Hey, guess what--then they don't need a #1 draft pick. Plus tanking is no fair to the fans who are the reason pro athletes and coaches can make millions of dollars a year. If a team has great chemistry and culture (good on/off court relationships) but is simply lacking the talent to get them over the top, star free agents will recognize that it's a great team to be on and they could be that piece that gets the team over the top. There's a big difference between a 30 win team relying solely on talent that barely wins when they win and gets blown out in their losses vs. a 30 win team that plays the right way and wins impressively when they win and barely loses when they lose, i.e. they're consistently competitive due to playing the right way and are just lacking talent/a piece or two.

[Blkbrd671]

Look at how much more fun the team is having winning some games, and while I can't speak as to the crowds at the Palace, fan participation on this board has gone up. Our game threads have gone from 3-4 pages to 25+ pages.

There is no savior in this draft, lets get some wins

preach it Pop

[Pharaoh]

I don't agree that the Pistons "need" to win. If teaching this team a new and better system/culture that they're not used to leads to mistakes on the court that cause losses in the early phases of a new culture/structure/system development--which could be a whole season--I'd support that wholeheartedly. You have to build the strong foundation first. If the building of a new culture/structure/system results immediately in more wins, then I have no problem with that either--BUILDING THE TEAM THE RIGHT WAY IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT. I would never support true tanking, i.e. intentionally not putting your best team on the floor or making no effort to make them better in order pile up losses and get a higher draft pick. Let's say for example that SVG does all the right things and the team ends up winning 45 games this year. Hey, guess what--then they don't need a #1 draft pick. Plus tanking is no fair to the fans who are the reason pro athletes and coaches can make millions of dollars a year. If a team has great chemistry and culture (good on/off court relationships) but is simply lacking the talent to get them over the top, star free agents will recognize that it's a great team to be on and they could be that piece that gets the team over the top. There's a big difference between a 30 win team relying solely on talent that barely wins when they win and gets blown out in their losses vs. a 30 win team that plays the right way and wins impressively when they win and barely loses when they lose, i.e. they're consistently competitive due to playing the right way and are just lacking talent/a piece or two.

I agree with this 100%

[Manocad]

Thanks. The "just get wins" mentality is how we wound up with Villanueva, Gordon, Jennings and Smith. See how that turned out?

[MotownMadness]

Thanks. The "just get wins" mentality is how we wound up with Villanueva, Gordon, Jennings and Smith. See how that turned out?

That's Joe Dumars version of "Just get wins" I would like to think Stan is a bit smarter than that. He's already done a good job so far signing Meeks to a great deal, trading for Tolliver and cutting Smith. I recall most of this forum getting mad that he wasn't signing big name FAs in the offseason. Stan is smarter than that and knows the kind of complimentary pieces and right formulas to succeed in today's game. He has Drummond and he's using that to his advantage now and lighting up the 3 point line. Stan is a great basketball mind and will be a lot wiser than Joe with that kind of money.

[Manocad]

Thanks. The "just get wins" mentality is how we wound up with Villanueva, Gordon, Jennings and Smith. See how that turned out?

That's Joe Dumars version of "Just get wins" I would like to think Stan is a bit smarter than that. He's already done a good job so far signing Meeks to a great deal, trading for Tolliver and cutting Smith. I recall most of this forum getting mad that he wasn't signing big name FAs in the offseason. Stan is smarter than that and knows the kind of complimentary pieces and right formulas to succeed in today's game. He has Drummond and he's using that to his advantage now and lighting up the 3 point line. Stan is a great basketball mind and will be a lot wiser than Joe with that kind of money.

I don't get where you've arguing something different than what I'm saying. My argument is to forego wins in order to build a solid foundation vs. getting talent that can get wins with a lousy foundation. I don't think Stan is playing the "Just get wins" strategy. The argument in this thread is that wins are necessary, and I'm saying they're not.

[MotownMadness]

Thanks. The "just get wins" mentality is how we wound up with Villanueva, Gordon, Jennings and Smith. See how that turned out?

That's Joe Dumars version of "Just get wins" I would like to think Stan is a bit smarter than that. He's already done a good job so far signing Meeks to a great deal, trading for Tolliver and cutting Smith. I recall most of this forum getting mad that he wasn't signing big name FAs in the offseason. Stan is smarter than that and knows the kind of complimentary pieces and right formulas to succeed in today's game. He has Drummond and he's using that to his advantage now and lighting up the 3 point line. Stan is a great basketball mind and will be a lot wiser than Joe with that kind of money.

I don't get where you've arguing something different than what I'm saying. My argument is to forego wins in order to build a solid foundation vs. getting talent that can get wins with a lousy foundation. I don't think Stan is playing the "Just get wins" strategy. The argument in this thread is that wins are necessary, and I'm saying they're not.

Yeah you kinda lost me there man, I'll just stay out of this one

[Manocad]

Cool beans, because you lost me first