Drummond Energy Level Called Out by SVG/Jennings

[Blkbrd671]

Piston's Board faith called out by Drummond

[fekz]

Goodness people. One bad week and he's immature, doesn't care about basketball, bi-polar, depressed, needs to be traded, etc. Let's just say he needs to play better and leave it at that.
I seriously hope you all don't apply the jumping to extremes method in your daily lives the way y'all do this forum.

This **** has been going on for years now. Whatever you wanna think about it, it just has. Some of us have been calling out Drummond on his effort consistently and only been met with "omg wtf" by half the forum. I'll watch this team lose and discuss what's going wrong/right calmly. I get pissed when people don't even try.

EDIT: See, now the **** above me is exactly what I'm talking about.

Andre + KCP + Martin + Datome
for
Cousins

Jennings - Augustin
Meeks - Singler
Singler - Butler
Monroe - Jerekbo
Cousins - Anthony

What about a trade with the Wolves maybe we can fleece Flip?

Drummond, Augustin, Martin, Datome for Dieng, Shabazz, LaVine

Jennings / Lavine
KCP / Meeks
Shabazz / Singler - Butler
Monroe / Jerebko - Tolliver
Dieng / Anthony

We turn Drummond into a starting SF/C (signed for 2 more years) and a young PG of the future in LaVine (signed for 3 more years).

^^^ i'm sorry but LOL

Drummond's "reaction" after Meeks hit the game winner against Toronto.

Unreal man, There's some serious immaturity issues going on with him. He needs too man up already.

I wouldn't trust these dudes with a pee wee league team

[MotownMadness]

See there fellas, He wasn't showing effort and look what a kick in the ass can do when getting called out for it. I know some of you didn't like to hear it from some of the the Posters, Coach and teammates but it was necessary.

[need4detroit]

See there fellas, He wasn't showing effort and look what a kick in the ass can do when getting called out for it. I know some of you didn't like to hear it from some of the the Posters, Coach and teammates but it was necessary.

Apparently its a personal issue.

[fekz]

See there fellas, He wasn't showing effort and look what a kick in the ass can do when getting called out for it. I know some of you didn't like to hear it from some of the the Posters, Coach and teammates but it was necessary.

Dre's 21. Wants to be the man on the team. Loves the success of the team, but frustrated that he isn't contributing as much as he feels he should. Jennings was imported here and has been leading the team successfully POST Josh Smith. Dre isn't jealous or upset at all. He's happy for the team and has always been, but he's his own worse critic and wears his emotions on his sleeve.

Pistons fans should be happy they have a top tier player who has the introspect to be frustrated with his own shortcomings, abeit sometimes misguided and immature. But nah let's play bf skinner, freud and doctor **** Phil from a screenshot w/ Caron Butler doing the exact same thing.

[MotownMadness]

See there fellas, He wasn't showing effort and look what a kick in the ass can do when getting called out for it. I know some of you didn't like to hear it from some of the the Posters, Coach and teammates but it was necessary.

Apparently its a personal issue.

Huh?

[MotownMadness]

See there fellas, He wasn't showing effort and look what a kick in the ass can do when getting called out for it. I know some of you didn't like to hear it from some of the the Posters, Coach and teammates but it was necessary.

Dre's 21. Wants to be the man on the team. Loves the success of the team, but frustrated that he isn't contributing as much as he feels he should. Jennings was imported here and has been leading the team successfully POST Josh Smith. Dre isn't jealous or upset at all. He's happy for the team and has always been, but he's his own worse critic and wears his emotions on his sleeve.

Pistons fans should be happy they had a top tier player who has the introspect to be frustrated with his own shortcomings, abeit sometimes misguided and immature. But nah let's play bf skinner, freud and doctor **** Phil from a screenshot w/ Caron Butler doing the exact same thing.

I'm seriously probably one of the biggest Drummonds fans you will ever meet. But a lack of effort is something that doesn't just get overlooked but instead gets addressed. Bad games and slumps will happen but effort is one that just can't be pushed under the rug.

The kids a phenomenal talent and that's why everyone is hard on him because he seriously has Hall of Fame talent from just hustle and effort alone. So yes it's perfectly fine for his coach and posters too call him out on it because we do want to see him be great. I know what you want to turn this into and that's me and a few others being Drummond haters but that's not what this is about. And him being 21 is even more reason to push him harder.

[Liqourish]

See there fellas, He wasn't showing effort and look what a kick in the ass can do when getting called out for it. I know some of you didn't like to hear it from some of the the Posters, Coach and teammates but it was necessary.

Apparently its a personal issue.

Huh?

According to a Pistons source, Andre has been dealing with a personal issue this week, on top of being sick. But let's discuss his college stats for 4 years ago.

[The_Irony]

Drummond's "reaction" after Meeks hit the game winner against Toronto.

lmaoooo who are you on the coli.com bro, i took this pic. Didnt want this to be an issue on his attitude but he's young and gonna have to grow up some.

[MotownMadness]

Apparently its a personal issue.

Huh?

According to a Pistons source, Andre has been dealing with a personal issue this week, on top of being sick. But let's discuss his college stats for 4 years ago.

Seriously I'm done with this non sense, I can guarantee I'm a bigger Drummond fan than just about everyone in here, so this is just comical. He's literally the main reason I watch the games.

[fekz]

See there fellas, He wasn't showing effort and look what a kick in the ass can do when getting called out for it. I know some of you didn't like to hear it from some of the the Posters, Coach and teammates but it was necessary.

Dre's 21. Wants to be the man on the team. Loves the success of the team, but frustrated that he isn't contributing as much as he feels he should. Jennings was imported here and has been leading the team successfully POST Josh Smith. Dre isn't jealous or upset at all. He's happy for the team and has always been, but he's his own worse critic and wears his emotions on his sleeve.

Pistons fans should be happy they had a top tier player who has the introspect to be frustrated with his own shortcomings, abeit sometimes misguided and immature. But nah let's play bf skinner, freud and doctor **** Phil from a screenshot w/ Caron Butler doing the exact same thing.

I'm seriously probably one of the biggest Drummonds fans you will ever meet. But a lack of effort is something that doesn't just get overlooked but instead gets addressed. Bad games and slumps will happen but effort is one that just can't be pushed under the rug.

The kids a phenomenal talent and that's why everyone is hard on him because he seriously has Hall of Fame talent from just hustle and effort alone. So yes it's perfectly fine for his coach and posters too call him out on it because we do want to see him be great. I know what you want to turn this into and that's me and a few others being Drummond haters but that's not what this is about. And him being 21 is even more reason to push him harder.

I don't think anyone on this board is a Drummond hater. We're all Piston fans who want our team to do their best. I do think the irrational condemnation that took place is what has drawn others ire and caused you and others to be ridiculed about your reactions in this thread. We all thought Dre could put more effort in, but some of us took it took far.

Some of 'us' propopsed ridiculous trades, cited behavior patterns that haven't existed, made psychological assessments of his well being, ect. Fans acting entitled like we having been watching ping pong balls jump up and down the last 5 years. That's the **** that got me.

[Blkbrd671]

The biggest question NBA teams will be asking will revolve around how much he can improve on his technique, offensive skill-set and mental approach as he gets older. His feel for the game in general is still a work in progress, as he's the type of player who can make incredibly good and bad plays, sometimes on consecutive possessions. He doesn't appear to be going 100% at times, and there have been some concerns raised about exactly how passionate he is about the game of basketball due to his laid-back demeanor.

Sliding a few spots in the draft may actually not be the end of the world for Drummond, as it would lower the expectations he'll have to deal with early on and allow him to ease his way into the NBA, which will likely take some time. As someone who is extremely affected by the ebbs and flows of games and obviously still in a very early stage of maturation, going to a strong organization with positive figures around him on and off the court would clearly be very beneficial.

Maturity issues, level of commitment and the need for vast offensive development could be a cause for concern from GMs not looking to take a chance in the top 3-5 ...

“felt like he didn't have the right mental makeup[b/]

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A ARTICLE REGARDING DRUMMOND ON US NATIONAL TEAM LAST YEAR I BELIEVE

When the frustration of not playing began to wear on Drummond, he sought out Williams for counsel."I was able to talk to him about being a professional, learning how to deal with it," Williams said. "When he did get his chance to play, [b]he opened up a lot of eyes. He was a guy we felt like we had to have on the squad. Worried about the bigs we may face."Even though the situation never materialized to make Drummond a big contributor, he still took advantage of Williams' advice on how to prepare himself for the next season.

So Williams, who played for nine years (1994-2003), would work with Drummond before and after every practice, helping him develop his jump hook that appears to be the best move in Drummond's offensive arsenal thus far — then going through the grueling act of sprints.Drummond's spirit and his speed impressed Williams."In that situation you learn a ton. With Dre he went through some adversity but he didn't stop working," Williams said. "He got down a little bit but he'd bounce right back. He was never a problem. We spent a lot of time together, just talking about how to handle certain situations."I just thought he was a really cool person to be around. You spend a lot of time running sprints, I didn't realize he was that fast. It's amazing a guy that big can move like that."

Just Saying

[Blkbrd671]

Loyalty is so fickle on this board

[Pharaoh]

Loyalty is so fickle on this board

There's no loyalty to players - its to the organization.

That said some people here spend an awful lot of time jumping to conclusions when it's probably best to wait and see.

Of course, if we all took the wait and see approach there wouldn't be much to discuss

[irishfury6]

Drummond's "reaction" after Meeks hit the game winner against Toronto.

lmaoooo who are you on the coli.com bro, i took this pic. Didnt want this to be an issue on his attitude but he's young and gonna have to grow up some.

Coli brehthren.

[MotownMadness]

INDIANAPOLIS -- The conversation was just what Detroit Pistons center Andre Drummond needed.

Things weren't going well for Drummond lately. He was coming off four flat games, lowlighted by a two-point, two-rebound flop in Wednesday's loss to New Orleans when he sat most of the second half.

That was before Drummond and Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy sat down Thursday and worked through the problems.

Drummond responded with a performance much more like he is accustomed to giving in Friday's 98-96 win over the Indiana Pacers, including the game-winning tip-in with three-tenths of a second left.

"That was really the first time any head coach and I ever sat down and just had a heart to heart like that," Drummond said. "We both know what the problem was and for us to sit down and talk about it really shows that he cares. He wants everybody to be great but he knows that it starts with me. Tonight was a good night."

Van Gundy was thrilled with Drummond's attentiveness, right down to three key plays in the final 23.9 seconds, when the center drew a charge on Indiana's Roy Hibbert in the post, tipped in Brandon Jennings' miss for the decisive points, then broke up an inbounds pass on Indiana's final possession.

"To me, he made three straight plays at the end of the game -- he takes the charge, he gets the tip-in, he deflects the pass. There's the game right there," Van Gundy said. "Gets the stop, gets the game-winner, and then deflects the last possible scoring play after sitting most of the second half. Really proud of him, really proud of him."

Van Gundy wasn't about to take credit for Drummond's 16-point, 16-rebound night.

"He told me he was ready," Van Gundy said. "I don't think my talk had anything to do with it. Whatever was going on, we talked, we showed some things. Nah, I had nothing to do with it. He said, early on in that meeting yesterday, he was fine and he was ready to go."

Drummond said other members of the Pistons feed off his energy, and when that characteristic is deficient in his game, the team suffers.

"It's a team effort, so when I get myself going, running around, flying around, grabbing rebounds and dunking the ball, I know it's going to spark my team," he said. "I know it's going to get Brandon going. Once Brandon gets going, Greg (Monroe) is going to get going. It's a domino effect. We all feed off each other."

[Pharaoh]

INDIANAPOLIS -- The conversation was just what Detroit Pistons center Andre Drummond needed.

Things weren't going well for Drummond lately. He was coming off four flat games, lowlighted by a two-point, two-rebound flop in Wednesday's loss to New Orleans when he sat most of the second half.

That was before Drummond and Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy sat down Thursday and worked through the problems.

Drummond responded with a performance much more like he is accustomed to giving in Friday's 98-96 win over the Indiana Pacers, including the game-winning tip-in with three-tenths of a second left.

"That was really the first time any head coach and I ever sat down and just had a heart to heart like that," Drummond said. "We both know what the problem was and for us to sit down and talk about it really shows that he cares. He wants everybody to be great but he knows that it starts with me. Tonight was a good night."

Van Gundy was thrilled with Drummond's attentiveness, right down to three key plays in the final 23.9 seconds, when the center drew a charge on Indiana's Roy Hibbert in the post, tipped in Brandon Jennings' miss for the decisive points, then broke up an inbounds pass on Indiana's final possession.

"To me, he made three straight plays at the end of the game -- he takes the charge, he gets the tip-in, he deflects the pass. There's the game right there," Van Gundy said. "Gets the stop, gets the game-winner, and then deflects the last possible scoring play after sitting most of the second half. Really proud of him, really proud of him."

Van Gundy wasn't about to take credit for Drummond's 16-point, 16-rebound night.

"He told me he was ready," Van Gundy said. "I don't think my talk had anything to do with it. Whatever was going on, we talked, we showed some things. Nah, I had nothing to do with it. He said, early on in that meeting yesterday, he was fine and he was ready to go."

Drummond said other members of the Pistons feed off his energy, and when that characteristic is deficient in his game, the team suffers.

"It's a team effort, so when I get myself going, running around, flying around, grabbing rebounds and dunking the ball, I know it's going to spark my team," he said. "I know it's going to get Brandon going. Once Brandon gets going, Greg (Monroe) is going to get going. It's a domino effect. We all feed off each other."

1 - love the fact that SVG sat down 1 on 1 with Dre

2 - love it even more that SVG deflects any credit for turning Dre around and instead gives all the credit to Dre

Thank you Tom Gores! Took you one season too many but still, thank you!

[ComboGuardCity]

Yeah sounds more like a personal issue even in that article.


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[The_Irony]

It actually pains me when I see him get very hard on himself when he misses a bunny.


Better than the Josh Smith oblivious alternative. Drumlord will be fine.