GT: Pistons (11-2) @ Hawks (33-8) ~ Jan. 19th 2:30 PM EST

Blkbrd671 · Post #421 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:03 am

Cowology wrote:I'm not going to pretend I know what SVG is thinking, but he's here for the long haul and with a long-term plan. Just playing devils advocate here, but I believe the man has earned a little leeway. Perhaps he's more concerned with long term implications than the results of any particular game.

PURE SPECULATION

i think SVG sat his starters because players like DJ and JJ need to experience playing against that level of comp. I also think Hack a dre had something to do with it. somewhat. Its the same reason why pop sits his big 3 against rival teams. Yes some of it is resting the vets but it also allows other players to get invaluable experience against the best in the league. If they lose, hey they didn't have one of the big 3, if they win however, they won without one of their best players, its automatic confidence boost. Additionally teams will have little experience during the season to recall when they face the SAS in the post season. As personnel and talent are different. Again this is pure speculation, but POP seems to be that type of coach that likes to f* with his opponents heads.

atlantabbq99 · Post #422 » by **atlantabbq99** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:31 am

Good game. It was frustrating for both sides, but i think that is just because both the Pistons and Hawks are good defensive teams. I really thought that in this game the Hawks were going to blow out the Pistons, because they blew out the Pistons in the last game, but it was just that Kentavious brought the Pistons back into it and made the game close. But this game really showed that Detroit is just flat out tough.

I'm a huge fan of Drummond, he is just a beast for real. If Drummond could just hit 80% of this free throws, i would rank him ahead of Anthony Davis, that is how good i think he is.

I wanted the win, but i'm still rooting for you guys and Charlotte to make the playoffs..... GOOD LUCK MOTOR CITY!!! :thumbsup:

treefi · Post #423 » by **treefi** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:34 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:Good game. It was frustrating for both sides, but i think that is just because both the Pistons and Hawks are good defensive teams. I really thought that in this game the Hawks were going to blow out the Pistons, because they blew out the Pistons in the last game, but it was just that Kentavious brought the Pistons back into it and made the game close. But this game really showed that Detroit is just flat out tough.

I'm a huge fan of Drummond, he is just a beast for real. If Drummond could just hit 80% of this free throws, i would rank him ahead of Anthony Davis, that is how good i think he is.

I wanted the win, but i'm still rooting for you guys and Charlotte to make the playoffs..... GOOD LUCK MOTOR CITY!!!

80%!?! Yeah, that'd be nice. (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... on/centers) <-- I count 8 centers!

I'll take 60%. 8-)

atlantabbq99 · Post #424 » by **atlantabbq99** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:42 am

treefi wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Good game. It was frustrating for both sides, but i think that is just because both the Pistons and Hawks are good defensive teams. I really thought that in this game the Hawks were going to blow out the Pistons, because they blew out the Pistons in the last game, but it was just that Kentavious brought the Pistons back into it and made the game close. But this game really showed that Detroit is just flat out tough.

I'm a huge fan of Drummond, he is just a beast for real. If Drummond could just hit 80% of this free throws, i would rank him ahead of Anthony Davis, that is how good i think he is.

I wanted the win, but i'm still rooting for you guys and Charlotte to make the playoffs..... GOOD LUCK MOTOR CITY!!!

80%!?! Yeah, that'd be nice. (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... on/centers) <-- I count 8 centers!

I'll take 60%.

If Drum hits 80%, I would put him as part of my Top 5 Best Players in the NBA today, up there with Curry, Durant, Lebron, Drummond, Anthony Davis.

Right now Anthony Davis is hitting 83% of his free throws. If Drum is hitting 70% or 60% of his free throws, i couldn't put him ahead of Anthony Davis, i would put him at maybe in the range of 7th to 15th, but if he can equal or just come close to 83% like say 80%, i could put him one ahead of Anthony Davis

treefi · Post #425 » by **treefi** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:47 am

Neptune wrote:This guy SVG is an idiot man. Why on earth would this guy play Augustine/Jerebko over Jennings/Drummond mainly throughout the 4th in a close game. That 4-1 offense should only be used in spurts. Moose/Drummond were killing together and this guy didn't even notice it.

Learn from your freaking mistakes SVG!

Do you really think SVG is an idiot? He tied(broke?) the franchise record streak of road wins with a team that has sucked for several years and started 2014/2015 off 5-23(or some ****). Definitely wouldn't be calling him an idiot for losing on the road to the hottest team in the league when we've won 11 out of our last 14.

Who knows, maybe Andre said something troubling and SVG heard it. Maybe he is thinking long-term and Andre made a really stupid or lazy mistake you didn't notice. So much could be going on behind the scenes... there are developing story lines throughout the entire course of a game that we never hear about.

All I know, is that watching Pistons basketball makes me happy again. lol

treefi · Post #426 » by **treefi** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:53 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:
treefi wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Good game. It was frustrating for both sides, but i think that is just because both the Pistons and Hawks are good defensive teams. I really thought that in this game the Hawks were going to blow out the Pistons, because they blew out the Pistons in the last game, but it was just that Kentavious brought the Pistons back into it and made the game close. But this game really showed that Detroit is just flat out tough.

I'm a huge fan of Drummond, he is just a beast for real. If Drummond could just hit 80% of this free throws, i would rank him ahead of Anthony Davis, that is how good i think he is.

I wanted the win, but i'm still rooting for you guys and Charlotte to make the playoffs..... GOOD LUCK MOTOR CITY!!!

80%!?! Yeah, that'd be nice. (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... on/centers) <-- I count 8 centers!

I'll take 60%.

If Drum hits 80%, I would put him as part of my Top 5 Best Players in the NBA today, up there with Curry, Durant, Lebron, Drummond, Anthony Davis.

Right now Anthony Davis is hitting 83% of his free throws. If Drum is hitting 70% or 60% of his free throws, i couldn't put him ahead of Anthony Davis, i would put him at maybe in the range of 7th to 15th, but if he can equal or just come close to 83% like say 80%, i could put him one ahead of Anthony Davis

Yeah, if Andre hit 80% free throws his PPG would automatically jump to 17 or so plus another 5ppg or so from easy buckets.. which before the opposing player always tried to put him on the line and earn 10/10 times(like now). I'm just not so sure how realistic 80% is.. Has a player ever shot 40% -50% free throws for 3 years and eventually became an 80% FT shooter?

Still, even at 60%... We're talking an automatic boost of around 6ppg or so I'd say. Most Pistons fan are more hopeful that Andre will develop a post game under SVG, he should be able to learn a couple go-to moves in the post and in combination with improved FT shooting, even 55%-60%, it would make a WORLD of difference for him... It would put him into the conversation of 'franchise' player. We'll see.

He still has a LOT to learn defensively as well, but all the potential in the world is there for him on that end.

BrownLionsFan · Post #427 » by **BrownLionsFan** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:12 am

Ya'll shouldn't be too hopeful about Andre becoming a better FT shooter. I think that he is what he is on that end. Today he was abysmal though. At one point I believe he missed 6 in a row. Those are huge missed opportunities and are certain momentum killers. This actually reminds me of the '03 ECF, where the Pistons got swept in 4 games that [I believe] came down to the wire in each. I remember Big Ben missing a ton of free throws in each game and always wondered what could have been had he nailed just 1 or 2 of the many he missed.

treefi · Post #428 » by **treefi** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:13 am

BrownLionsFan wrote:Ya'll shouldn't be too hopeful about Andre becoming a better FT shooter. I think that he is what he is on that end. Today he was abysmal though. At one point I believe he missed 6 in a row. Those are huge missed opportunities and are certain momentum killers. This actually reminds me of the '03 ECF, where the Pistons got swept but it seems like every game came down to the wire. I remember Big Ben missing a ton of free throws in the game and always wondered what could have been had he nailed just 1 or 2 of the many he missed.

It's sorta like having a worthless kicker in the NFL.

Man, if only that kicker made his three 30 yard FG attempts.. 9 more points plus worse field position for the opponent! Changes everything.

I've accepted that best case scenario, Andre bumped it up to 55%-60%... Realistically, he will always be 45-55%. Definitely a huge flaw.

BrownLionsFan · Post #429 » by **BrownLionsFan** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:17 am

Looking back I really think the result of this game could have been different had the Pistons had an even average first half offensively. They scored what, 11 points? It was so painful to watch honestly. They started like 0-9 from beyond the arch and were shooting ~25% from the field. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Luckily the Pistons' rebounding and off-shooting day by Atlanta kept the Pistons in the game. But Atlanta is too good of a team for its shooters to be cold the entire game, and they eventually turned the corner late in the game.

DocRI · Post #430 » by **DocRI** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:30 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:Good game. It was frustrating for both sides, but i think that is just because both the Pistons and Hawks are good defensive teams. I really thought that in this game the Hawks were going to blow out the Pistons, because they blew out the Pistons in the last game, but it was just that Kentavious brought the Pistons back into it and made the game close. But this game really showed that Detroit is just flat out tough.

I'm a huge fan of Drummond, he is just a beast for real. If Drummond could just hit 80% of this free throws, i would rank him ahead of Anthony Davis, that is how good i think he is.

I wanted the win, but i'm still rooting for you guys and Charlotte to make the playoffs..... GOOD LUCK MOTOR CITY!!!

I wanna go skipping around with glee like Rudolph did after the girl reindeer told him he was cute! It has been a LONG-ASS TIME since anyone called the Pistons "a good defensive team" and "flat out tough;" those have always been the calling cards of this franchise, and to hear that from a neutral fan of another team is literally music to my ears! Thank you!

By the way, your Hawks are damn good.

atlantabbq99 · Post #431 » by **atlantabbq99** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:48 am

treefi wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:
treefi wrote:
80%!?! Yeah, that'd be nice. (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... on/centers) <-- I count 8 centers!

I'll take 60%.

If Drum hits 80%, I would put him as part of my Top 5 Best Players in the NBA today, up there with Curry, Durant, Lebron, Drummond, Anthony Davis.

Right now Anthony Davis is hitting 83% of his free throws. If Drum is hitting 70% or 60% of his free throws, i couldn't put him ahead of Anthony Davis, i would put him at maybe in the range of 7th to 15th, but if he can equal or just come close to 83% like say 80%, i could put him one ahead of Anthony Davis

Yeah, if Andre hit 80% free throws his PPG would automatically jump to 17 or so plus another 5ppg or so from easy buckets.. which before the opposing player always tried to put him on the line and earn 10/10 times(like now). I'm just not so sure how realistic 80% is.. Has a player ever shot 40% -50% free throws for 3 years and eventually became an 80% FT shooter?

Still, even at 60%... We're talking an automatic boost of around 6ppg or so I'd say. Most Pistons fan are more hopeful that Andre will develop a post game under SVG, he should be able to learn a couple go-to moves in the post and in combination with improved FT shooting, even 55%-60%, it would make a WORLD of difference for him... It would put him into the conversation of 'franchise' player. We'll see.

He still has a LOT to learn defensively as well, but all the potential in the world is there for him on that end.

It is extremely extremely extremely rare for a big to go from a bad free throw shooter to become a decent to good free throw shooter. DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, and Josh Smith have been struggling with free throws for years and could never learn....

but, Karl Malone is a guy who did shoot .400, .500 at the start of his career and then ended up becoming an 80% free throw shooter later in his career. So their is a small ray of hope. and i do hope Drum can one day punish people at the line like he does on the boards and in the post night in and night out.

dan2314 · Post #432 » by **dan2314** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:11 am

Only just caught up to the game now. Think the team played Atlanta as well as you could possibly play them, and it still wasnt enough. The way for Pistons to win against the Hawks seems like it would be to dominate the glass, and interior, and then limit jeff teague. They were able to do that and it still always looked like Atlanta had enough control on the game to prevent any serious push.

I think the team played a great game, but Atlanta right now are just that much better than the Pistons at this point of the season and team development. And we, as fans, have to be happy with that. Atlanta are blowing out even the best of championship contenders, and we really can't be expecting to be a part of that group right now. The team is playing like a team that could settle into the bottom half of the playoffs, and that would be a terrific place to build from in future seasons. We can't be saying the team has problems or people suck etc. just because we lost to the second best team in the entire league right now, who are playing terrific basketball.

atlantabbq99 · Post #433 » by **atlantabbq99** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:22 am

DocRI wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Good game. It was frustrating for both sides, but i think that is just because both the Pistons and Hawks are good defensive teams. I really thought that in this game the Hawks were going to blow out the Pistons, because they blew out the Pistons in the last game, but it was just that Kentavious brought the Pistons back into it and made the game close. But this game really showed that Detroit is just flat out tough.

I'm a huge fan of Drummond, he is just a beast for real. If Drummond could just hit 80% of this free throws, i would rank him ahead of Anthony Davis, that is how good i think he is.

I wanted the win, but i'm still rooting for you guys and Charlotte to make the playoffs..... GOOD LUCK MOTOR CITY!!!

I wanna go skipping around with glee like Rudolph did after the girl reindeer told him he was cute! It has been a LONG-ASS TIME since anyone called the Pistons "a good defensive team" and "flat out tough;" those have always been the calling cards of this franchise, and to hear that from a neutral fan of another team is literally music to my ears! Thank you!

By the way, your Hawks are damn good.

No problem brother. I meant every word of it!

BadMofoPimp · Post #434 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:19 pm

Cowology wrote:Overall I expected a loss to a team playing as well as ATL so I can't be too mad. We are still a few pieces and a year or two away. The important questions are not did we play well, but did we play hard? As long as we continue to compete you can overlook the ups and downs that come with a young team learning to win.

The fact we need an upgrade on the wing is not news. Monroe being skilled but flawed is not shocking. Dre missing FT isn't headline material. Jennings, hot as he's been, is going to miss shots. You gotta roll with the ups and downs, not get too high or too low. We're 11-3 with 2 losses coming against the hottest team in the league. I'm OK with that.

Exactly. I didn't expect the Pistons to beat arguably the best team in the NBA on their home court. Those cats been playing together for years and have great team chemistry. Pistons showed they can compete with them and I am happy with our progress. The Hawks are where the Pistons aim to be in a couple years, so there is hope. By then, this team will have that missing SF and SG (new or developed) they need to get to the next level.

DirtybirdGA · Post #435 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:41 pm

I don't know if we have 3 or 4 games with you all this season, but hope the Hawks don't face them til next fall! Pistons are a tough out.

Manocad · Post #436 » by **Manocad** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:48 pm

Neptune wrote:This guy SVG is an idiot man. Why on earth would this guy play Augustine/Jerebko over Jennings/Drummond mainly throughout the 4th in a close game. That 4-1 offense should only be used in spurts. Moose/Drummond were killing together and this guy didn't even notice it.

Learn from your freaking mistakes SVG!

Yeah, it takes a real moron to move a deadweight player then take a 5-23 team on an 11-3 streak. He's so damn stupid.

DetroitSho · Post #437 » by **DetroitSho** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:06 pm

DirtybirdGA wrote:I don't know if we have 3 or 4 games with you all this season, but hope the Hawks don't face them til next fall! Pistons are a tough out.

Unbelievable. We've made it to "tough out" and "team nobody wants to face" status. That's great progress people. Lol

hoophabit · Post #438 » by **hoophabit** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:13 pm

A few things to consider. The Hawks are a more mature team that is playing in a system in place since last year. The Pistons are a younger team that's only really been playing according to Stan's system since we parted ways with the esteemed veteran for whom we have great respect regarding his accomplishments in the league. I had to watch the game delayed, and read the thread just prior to watching the game. Honestly, I expected to see a pretty putrid performance, but found it to be a pretty gritty game where the Pistons going really cold in the second half essentially decided it. They got some good shots, just didn't hit them.

It seems to me the best way to use Drummond in the 4th quarter would be to play him until in the penalty, take him out if he's having a bad game at the line, but always reinsert him as you pass the 2 minute mark. Perhaps there are good reasons why this wouldn't work, but they're not occurring to me.

Canadafan · Post #439 » by **Canadafan** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:17 am

Wow. Just finally got a chance to watch the game. What a terrible 4th quarter we had. Monroe has his moments where he helps, but my lord! He sure sucked lol. The coaches gotta tell him to quit with the whining to the refs. Nothing more demoralizing than him doing that and then the other team going down the other end and scoring on a 4 on 5. Like I said he has his moments because prior to that in the third he was unstoppable down low. I have faith he'll get better.
We really need a better wing scorer