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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#121 » by joedumars1 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:20 am

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6pts 6rbs 10 shots in 30 minutes. Nuff said

Dude it was against the nba champs. What did he have last game they played like 22 and 13, 5 assist? He is the vocal point of most Defenses, I mean who is he going to dish to to hit the open shot? Singler? lol. KCP? Sometimes. Meeks? Sometimes. We will never see eye to eye on this either, but next year if they keep Moose you will come around. If we lose Moose, well let's be ready for another 3-4 years without playoffs (depending on who else they get, but I don't see them getting anyone that can replace him)


We'll technically the only team that hasn't been to the playoffs in the last 5 years is the one that's had Monroe on it :lol:. Seriously though I want him to stay for sure but I'm also a bit scared about maxing out two centers. But so far the results look good alternating out two good centers at all times. But will we have enough cash to add enough talent to the rest of the roster once both are maxed.

Monroe is a real good player but Stan is the main reason for this turn around and not Monroe. If he does leave it will be a hard pill to swallow but it's not as devastating as setting the franchise back 5 years or something. Stan would still have around 30 mil to really fill out the roster. So it's nothing to really worry about too much but I think he stays in the end. NY is a mess and same goes with LA. Hopefully if he does want out it will be to NOs and we can do a sign and trade for Anderson.

Do you think any of them team were playoff caliber? Moose has also had what 4 coaches in his 4-5 yr career? Now he can have a stable coach and system. If we didn't have Moose after we lost Josh, I think we only win 5 games or so. Moose is our most consistent player. It's all a wait and see tho.
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#122 » by MotownMadness » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:48 am

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joedumars1 wrote:Dude it was against the nba champs. What did he have last game they played like 22 and 13, 5 assist? He is the vocal point of most Defenses, I mean who is he going to dish to to hit the open shot? Singler? lol. KCP? Sometimes. Meeks? Sometimes. We will never see eye to eye on this either, but next year if they keep Moose you will come around. If we lose Moose, well let's be ready for another 3-4 years without playoffs (depending on who else they get, but I don't see them getting anyone that can replace him)


We'll technically the only team that hasn't been to the playoffs in the last 5 years is the one that's had Monroe on it :lol:. Seriously though I want him to stay for sure but I'm also a bit scared about maxing out two centers. But so far the results look good alternating out two good centers at all times. But will we have enough cash to add enough talent to the rest of the roster once both are maxed.

Monroe is a real good player but Stan is the main reason for this turn around and not Monroe. If he does leave it will be a hard pill to swallow but it's not as devastating as setting the franchise back 5 years or something. Stan would still have around 30 mil to really fill out the roster. So it's nothing to really worry about too much but I think he stays in the end. NY is a mess and same goes with LA. Hopefully if he does want out it will be to NOs and we can do a sign and trade for Anderson.

Do you think any of them team were playoff caliber? Moose has also had what 4 coaches in his 4-5 yr career? Now he can have a stable coach and system. If we didn't have Moose after we lost Josh, I think we only win 5 games or so. Moose is our most consistent player. It's all a wait and see tho.

He is a good player and I've always stated that. SVG can make just about any roster in the league look pretty good. He just has that kind of impact. Whether Moose stays or goes I have faith Stan will still have this team in the playoffs next season.
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#123 » by mattao313 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:14 am

It is really difficult to discuss Monroe its like its no middle some greatly overrate him and others underrate him. Greg is a good player no doubt he is done developing as a player he's who he is imo.
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#124 » by MotownMadness » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:25 am

mattao313 wrote:It is really difficult to discuss Monroe its like its no middle some greatly overrate him and others underrate him. Greg is a good player no doubt he is done developing as a player he's who he is imo.

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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#125 » by Lucidity » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:08 am

mattao313 wrote:It is really difficult to discuss Monroe its like its no middle some greatly overrate him and others underrate him. Greg is a good player no doubt he is done developing as a player he's who he is imo.


& yet hes improved in multiple categories just this year. The kids still 4 years from his prime. lol

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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#126 » by Brt19 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:32 am

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mattao313 wrote:It is really difficult to discuss Monroe its like its no middle some greatly overrate him and others underrate him. Greg is a good player no doubt he is done developing as a player he's who he is imo.


& yet hes improved in multiple categories just this year. The kids still 4 years from his prime. lol

Some of you are too much.


4 years from his prime is a stretch. The guy is out of rookie contract and is 24.

I like the way he improved his FT and rebounding but he's pretty much same. He's a good player, a better range and more attempts would be enough but I'm skeptical.
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Re: Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#127 » by Pharaoh » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:55 am

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mattao313 wrote:It is really difficult to discuss Monroe its like its no middle some greatly overrate him and others underrate him. Greg is a good player no doubt he is done developing as a player he's who he is imo.


& yet hes improved in multiple categories just this year. The kids still 4 years from his prime. lol

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4 years from his prime is a stretch. The guy is out of rookie contract and is 24.

I like the way he improved his FT and rebounding but he's pretty much same. He's a good player, a better range and more attempts would be enough but I'm skeptical.


Generally bigs hit their prime later so someone stating Monroe is 4 years from his prime isn't a stretch - I don't think someone with enough time to do the research would have any problems arguing 28 years old is "prime" for a big

I just don't have the time :-)
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#128 » by Snakebites » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:18 am

Its moot.

We'll be willing to pay what it would take to keep Monroe. The only variable here is whether or not he wants to stay.

As for Draymond Green, honestly I can't help but feel like we'd have to seriously overpay to get him to leave Golden State for us.
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#129 » by Manocad » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:59 am

^^^what he said
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Post#130 » by Pharaoh » Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:31 am

I don't think people realize how valuable Monroe really is.

A big that draws double teams AND you can run the offense through is a pretty rare commodity, especially ones that are 24 years old.

Even when you consider his one on one D isn't exactly stellar the fact you can kind of mitigate that via good team D means his #1 weakness isn't as pronounced as some believe.

24 years old
Pretty polished offensively
Draws double teams
Improving jump shot
Can initiate the offense
Good team defender
Only 1 off the court incident

Don't wanna jinx it but if he doesn't get the max it'll be damn close to it
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#131 » by sc8581 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:15 am

If we keep Moose I want to trade Drummond
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#132 » by tmorgan » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:34 am

This isn't the craziest thing I've ever read... but the return for Drummond would need to be massive.

I think they can play together long term, but I'm not sure that's what Monroe wants. He *should* like SVG, he should see the potential down the line, but it may come down to him wanting to avoid guarding jump shooters and play center full time. If that's the case, he's gone, max offer or not.
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#133 » by Lucidity » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:56 pm

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mattao313 wrote:It is really difficult to discuss Monroe its like its no middle some greatly overrate him and others underrate him. Greg is a good player no doubt he is done developing as a player he's who he is imo.


& yet hes improved in multiple categories just this year. The kids still 4 years from his prime. lol

Some of you are too much.


4 years from his prime is a stretch. The guy is out of rookie contract and is 24.

I like the way he improved his FT and rebounding but he's pretty much same. He's a good player, a better range and more attempts would be enough but I'm skeptical.


27/28-31/32 is 99% of players prime.
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Post#134 » by Lucidity » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:58 pm

Pharaoh wrote:I don't think people realize how valuable Monroe really is.

A big that draws double teams AND you can run the offense through is a pretty rare commodity, especially ones that are 24 years old.

Even when you consider his one on one D isn't exactly stellar the fact you can kind of mitigate that via good team D means his #1 weakness isn't as pronounced as some believe.

24 years old
Pretty polished offensively
Draws double teams
Improving jump shot
Can initiate the offense
Good team defender
Only 1 off the court incident

Don't wanna jinx it but if he doesn't get the max it'll be damn close to it


This x a million.

Monroe, like pretty much every big not named Aldridge or Cousins isnt a true #1 option.. Many of us have said this for years. This team desperately needs a 2 or 3 thats a true #1. Monroe is a hell of a #2 option & on a good team with a true #1 Monroe's ability to get you easy buckets in a slowed down, half court which is how the game is played in the playoffs can be a game changer.

& thats not adding in Drummond who is likely to become an absolute monster on that block too.
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#135 » by simon24 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:03 am

aad wrote:Who does detroit go after to replace him we already need a Sf but if monroe leaves who out there to replace him milsap?


Draft a stretch four.
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Re: If monroe leaves 

Post#136 » by Redeemed » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:57 pm

Snakebites wrote:Its moot.

We'll be willing to pay what it would take to keep Monroe. The only variable here is whether or not he wants to stay.

As for Draymond Green, honestly I can't help but feel like we'd have to seriously overpay to get him to leave Golden State for us.


I can't help but feel like Green is using the Pistons to set his market value. His interest in leaving a championship contending team with a superstar who could potentially become one of the faces of the league in favor of coming home to a rebuilding situation seems a little... :crazy:
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Post#137 » by Redeemed » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:03 pm

Pharaoh wrote:I don't think people realize how valuable Monroe really is.

A big that draws double teams AND you can run the offense through is a pretty rare commodity, especially ones that are 24 years old.

Even when you consider his one on one D isn't exactly stellar the fact you can kind of mitigate that via good team D means his #1 weakness isn't as pronounced as some believe.

24 years old
Pretty polished offensively
Draws double teams
Improving jump shot
Can initiate the offense
Good team defender
Only 1 off the court incident

Don't wanna jinx it but if he doesn't get the max it'll be damn close to it


An unselfish 24 y/o, who predictably shoots 74% of his shots within 4 feet from the basket yet still finds a way to score despite double teams, is pretty darn valuable.

The guy has adjusted his game down and up based on his usage rate. When we had the ball dominate ineffective Josh Smith, Monroe had less touches yet still produced solid numbers. With Smith gone and Jennings down for the season, Moose has upped his production with his ever-expanding arsenal of drop steps and spin moves. I still believe he's a consistent 15-18 footer away from being a Zach Randolph level producer.

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