WOJ- Monroe signing Max Contract with Bucks

[gusman]

I am glad to see Greg go and I look forward to the Pistons smashing the mother buckers.

[RandyBreuer]

Props to princeofpalace and some of the others in this thread, have read your board over the years and appreciate the hardcore Detroit fan.
Hotmayo you get the magic8ball award for being behind it.

[Liqourish]

Bucks have a hell of team

1. MCW (Don't really like unless he get's a shot)
2. Middleton (possible all-star potential)
3. Jabari or Giannis (both have superstar potential)
4. Jabari or Giannis
5. Moose (solid 18 and 10 player)

1. MCW- awful and people want him replaced.
2. Middleton- best player they have (?)
3. Giannis- good but big question marks
4. Jabari- poor defender coming off ACL injury/more of a SF?
5. Monroe- Decent C, mediocre defender

Poor spacing, horrible PG, not enough shooters... they are young, but I'm not impressed overall.

And yet they won 41 games last season and pushed the Bulls to six games in the playoffs. Without Jabari. Now add Jabari back into the mix, add Monroe and whoever else we sign. Not impressed? Alrighty then.

Yep, sorry, not impressed. Like I said, good for them to sign a C and make the playoffs with a .500 record last season. But overall, I don't like the make-up of their team.

[313 Professor]

1. MCW- awful and people want him replaced.
2. Middleton- best player they have (?)
3. Giannis- good but big question marks
4. Jabari- poor defender coming off ACL injury/more of a SF?
5. Monroe- Decent C, mediocre defender

Poor spacing, horrible PG, not enough shooters... they are young, but I'm not impressed overall.

And yet they won 41 games last season and pushed the Bulls to six games in the playoffs. Without Jabari. Now add Jabari back into the mix, add Monroe and whoever else we sign. Not impressed? Alrighty then.

Yep, sorry, not impressed. Like I said, good for them to sign a C and make the playoffs with a .500 record last season. But overall, I don't like the make-up of their team.

Yea. The Bulls with chucking Rose, and No-Show Noah last playoffs weren't all that impressive either. Rose couldn't pass the torch to Butler when he was clearly playing better. There might still be 7 west teams better than the 2nd best team in the east. Crazy. The Bucks need more ball-handling and MCW at the 1 messes it up for all of them. I see a lot of bricked mid-range FG attempts in their future, and them struggling to find an offensive identity/rhythm.

[Snakebites]

I think the Bucks success or failure next year hinges hugely on the health of Jabari Parker.

And when I say failure, I still don't think they have much trouble being a .500 team in a relatively weak east even with Jabari not healthy.

If he's healthy and effective they could do even better.

[Cowology]

The East is weird. Every year it seems like a handful of good teams should improve due to internal growth and acquisitions, but somehow over all the conference still manages to suck outside of 2-3 teams.

[Han Solo]

The East is weird. Every year it seems like a handful of good teams should improve due to internal growth and acquisitions, but somehow over all the conference still manages to suck outside of 2-3 teams.

I'm not lying to myself about this.. WE could be building something nice here. IF we make the playoffs, we will be one of teams no one wants to play.

[bkseven]

... If it weren't for drummond, this roster would look like complete garbage compared to the bucks

[OneBadMutha]

I don't have to annoy this forum with my trade Monroe posts anymore. Monroe can be a good center with the right fit of players around him. He's not a good power forward in today's NBA. There was one meaningful winning streak in his entire career and it happened when his teammates were hitting 3s and he was finishing games at center while Drummond was on the bench. Monroe and Drummond stunted each other's growth. The only time they won together, it was in spite of the bad fit they were together and SVG broke them up a lot during that streak.

Good for Monroe. This may be a really good fit for him. He should be a plus player going back to his natural center position. If Parker can get reasonably healthy, Monroe and Parker's above average passing for their positions will create matchup issues. It just wasn't going to work in Detroit.

[Pharaoh]

I think the Bucks future hinges on the Greek Freak.

There have been signs of offensive development but until he can bring it every day the Bucks are gonna be more nuisance value than anything else - much like ourselves!

Henson has made strides so it's not like they have to play Monroe 48 either.

I think they've got the majority of their long term front court locked and loaded, got their starting guards locked and loaded too

Their bench will be their mission from now on - and that's a good spot to be in

[MrPerfect1]

when you dont have an athletic center in todays nba to defend the p N r, then your squad wont be good. Their interior defense will be so bad when reggie jackson is laying it up on greg, all pistons will finally realize how bad gregs defense really is. Parker and greg interior defense is laughable.

MIL had like the #2 DEF in the League with Zaza as the starting C. I don't think anyone would call Zaza athletic

[Spider156]

The East is weird. Every year it seems like a handful of good teams should improve due to internal growth and acquisitions, but somehow over all the conference still manages to suck outside of 2-3 teams.

I'm not lying to myself about this.. WE could be building something nice here. IF we make the playoffs, we will be one of teams no one wants to play.

We were that team last year except we went on a losing streak because of the trade.

[Spider156]

1. MCW - I don't know what's going on with him. At times he plays really well, at times he turns the ball over. I think Kidd is a great coach for him and his decision making will get better. His shot will determine his growth.
2. Middleton - 3 and D worth a max? No. He's not as good as they think he is. I just watched a couple of highlight videos of him and it's literally jump shot after jump shot. He doesn't drive in at all. All KCP has to do is fight through screens and stick with him covering the perimeter which KCP has proven he can do consistently and Middleton is closed out.
3. Giannis - Has a lot of potential. He needs to prove himself this year and the only way to do it is through his shot. If hit shot falls, he'll be unstoppable. Not many can dribble and drive in like him. It's beautiful to see. Nothing Stanley can't defend though. Give Stanley a year and watch his perimeter defense be as strong as KCP's. Together, they can form a better defense...
4. Parker - I felt really bad when he got injured. That's an ACL tear. Nobody knows how he's going to return. People say nowadays there's better medicine and he's young. But a ligament is a ligament and that's a huge blow to the knee. I think you'll see him more at PF as he'll be slower and he'll rely on his shot more.
5. Monroe - The Bucks don't really have that many shooters on the floor. Middleton is their best shooter. Giannis and MCW both need to improve their shot. Parker is good. Monroe has no shot. That's 3 players on the flood without a consistent jump shot.

All in all, Bucks will be figured out pretty quickly IMO. Brandon Knight was the player who lead the team to the Playoffs last year. I had no idea why they traded him. True that he's not a true PG, he's a SG. But he was carrying the team very well. MCW won't ever have Knight's shot. He's a very good shooter. At the same time MCW might need to raise his assists to space the floor that way. I definitely think I am biased but I will compare our team to theirs.

1. Jackson - Proven PG. Needs to work on perimeter D and 3 pt. Knowing Stan, all the team is going to work on is defense. I can't wait to see him in the PnR with 3 shooters around him. It's going to be beautiful to watch. All 3 wing men can catch and shoot.
2. KCP - Middleton is a better shooter. KCP can drive in better tho. If KCP can become consistent with his shot, he'll turn the corner this season and his value will skyrocket.
3. Marcus/Stanley - Stanley has a lot of potential but not as much as Giannis. I think Stanley can become a very solid player like Leonard. Leonard is a great example of fundamentals and how far they can take you.
4. Ilyasova - Thank you Milwaukee. People are underestimating Ilyasova. He's one of those players like Scola that can be annoyingly unstoppable sometimes. You just don't know how they get the ball in the basket and play hard defense and rebound for you. Ilyasova is one of those players that if put in the right system can produce efficiently. If coached correctly, can be a very solid player. Best part is he's a veteran and you know exactly what you're getting from him.
5. Drummond - What can I say. He's the star of the team. Without him the team is nothing. The team will go as far as he does and he'll go as far as Stan pushes him. It's a beautiful thing. This is his big year and I hope he earns it. Jackson will make his life easier and everyone around him will open up so much more space for him. The only thing he needs to work on is to consistently get the hook shot in and overall defense. Him and Baynes could be a rebounding force down low. Two tanks. Players like Monroe will be eaten alive.

Overall I think our team still needs one more player to complete the lineup. I think people are sleeping on Jennings. We all saw what he can do last year. He's the same player we went on a 17-10 record after Smith. Somehow he just sparked and I think that's the exact role that he'll thrive in this year. I think if Jennings buys into the system, our team will have a very dynamic second string. The whole second string can shoot. However, I think SVG might trade him for a better piece (SF?) by the trade deadline depending on offers. I wouldn't be surprised if Marcus gets traded again with Jennings for a legitimate starting SF and Dinwiddie takes the back up role. Anything can happen under SVG.

Last but not least. No matter what happens, we have Stan. I've never believed in a coach as much as him. I think he's a silent genius and the league won't know what he did until the season starts. Bayne is such a silent signing. He's gonna look like a genius. Remember, that was Pop's prospect. They didn't let him walk. We just took him while they're going after LMA. The same happened with the Morris trade. Stan is exploiting the system and it's hilarious. We still have the rise of cap space next season to get a max player.

[Blkbrd671]

Props to princeofpalace and some of the others in this thread, have read your board over the years and appreciate the hardcore Detroit fan.
Hotmayo you get the magic8ball award for being behind it.

welcome to the board


Detroit vs Everybody

[Blkbrd671]

The East is weird. Every year it seems like a handful of good teams should improve due to internal growth and acquisitions, but somehow over all the conference still manages to suck outside of 2-3 teams.

I'm not lying to myself about this.. WE could be building something nice here. IF we make the playoffs, we will be one of teams no one wants to play.

agreed I think we look back at the players we were going to sign and realize it was overpay


Detroit vs Everybody

[Ghost]

I kind of feel like knight would go better with that lineup then MCw by helping create more space... but maybe the contracts would be too much for them (unsure, since MCW is rookie scale and Knight just got 5/70) but they could have signed Monroe first and went over anyway with Knights rights

[wichmae]

Not trying to troll youre board here. Just trying to clear up some facts. Knight rejected two proposals from the Bucks and implicitly told the FOhe would test the market. Now with his cap hold along with Kris' a FA could have been signed. Even Monroe could have been inked.

The issues were KM and BK wanted 5 year deals and the brass didnt want that much cash on the book for when Giannis and Jabari are due. Who at the end of the day are what the team is built around. Knight also was not what JKidd wanted at point. The Bucks are a unique team that completely runs its offense at start from the elbow or high post.
BK just didnt get that done. Now is MCW the answer? idk. Kidd loves him and Jason seems to be a coach who absolutely maximizes players he has. Which has been evidenced now for two years.

Time will tell is any of this works and tbh having a scoring threat on the floor will help Giannis and KMnot constantly be doubled. Parker too for that matter. The defense short comings from Monroe dont matter in the system. Kidd and Sean Sweeney (future HC) covered up Brook Lopez and gave him a career defensive year. Then did the same with Zaza. Neither can defend a soul. You just have to have hands up and take charges. The guards will pretty much do the rest. Post BK trade the Bucks had the highest drive stop % in the NBA, and with an average starting line-up wingspan of 6'11" they deflect (league leader post trade) and steal a ton.

The rivalry between our two team should be a good one and honestly I would say you, and you only have had a "A" offseason other than Milwaukee. The teams are finally built to compete and I look forward to game nights fellas. Congrats and good luck. Thank you.

[mercury]

Not gonna mention names but there were a few posters here that were degrading folks for mentioning the possibility that Monroe could walk for nothing... No matter how different other viewpoints should be respected.