Would you trade a future 1st for Markieff?

[coordinator0]

They may be keeping it quiet now but they still have a disgruntled starter who doesn't want play there. He stopped saying it himself, but let his brother be his voice before the PHX game, when Marcus said he isn't happy and they are holding him hostage.

Trading for Meeks would save them $19m. He has 13m left on his deal and Markieff has 32m left. That isn't the selling point (the 1st rd pick is) but when you combine the two, that is damn nice package for a player who doesn't want to play for you anymore (and the whole league knows it).

Or Marcus just went ahead and said it himself. It wouldn't be out of character for him. I don't doubt Markieff is unhappy but it's far from a volatile situation.

It doesn't save Phoenix $19 million. This year they would save $1,730,000 and next year they would save $860,000. Then Meeks' contract ends while Markieff's goes for two more years. But when Jodie comes off the books for them it's not like they're going to sit on the cap space and do nothing with it. That money will be spent. Add in the salaries from that 1st round draft pick and Phoenix isn't saving any actual money at all. Sarver might be a cheap owner, but this isn't the type of move that would get him out of anything. It's more about contract value and Markieff is on a decent one.

[Todd3]

I'm all for improving the team but this seems like a waste of time.

We'd either send out Illy and a first or Meeks and a first in which case we're really not better positioned than we are now.

The idea that we're lacking at the 4 is BS anyway IMO - we've got Illy, Marcus, Tolliver & Baynes to play there if needed

How would having Markieff right now not put us in a better position than having Meeks (who cant play until feb and isn't better than Markieff when he can)?

I having nothing against our PFs and agree they are serviceable for now, but realistically we are going to need an upgrade there long term. Marcus is more of a SF, Ersan/Tolliver are good for an occasional 3 & charge but not much else, and Baynes is no longterm answer next to Dre. 4s who can score in the post & midrange and aren't liabilities on defense on 8m/yr deals (and want to play for the Pistons) like Markieff don't come along often. Don't be so quick to dismiss him as an option because we might not get a better one, and even if we do he would still be a great big off the bench.

As good as we are playing now, this is not a championship roster. They need to continue adding talent, and the better you become the better talent you need to get to the next level. Bargain bin shopping for role players is good when trying to get from lotto to playoffs, but to go from playoffs to contender takes adding bigger impact players than that. Markieff wont get us there himself, but he is the type of talent we need to be pursuing at this point and would definitely be an upgrade and add some much needed depth,

[Todd3]

They may be keeping it quiet now but they still have a disgruntled starter who doesn't want play there. He stopped saying it himself, but let his brother be his voice before the PHX game, when Marcus said he isn't happy and they are holding him hostage.

Trading for Meeks would save them $19m. He has 13m left on his deal and Markieff has 32m left. That isn't the selling point (the 1st rd pick is) but when you combine the two, that is damn nice package for a player who doesn't want to play for you anymore (and the whole league knows it).

Or Marcus just went ahead and said it himself. It wouldn't be out of character for him. I don't doubt Markieff is unhappy but it's far from a volatile situation.

It doesn't save Phoenix $19 million. This year they would save $1,730,000 and next year they would save $860,000. Then Meeks' contract ends while Markieff's goes for two more years. But when Jodie comes off the books for them it's not like they're going to sit on the cap space and do nothing with it. That money will be spent. Add in the salaries from that 1st round draft pick and Phoenix isn't saving any actual money at all. Sarver might be a cheap owner, but this isn't the type of move that would get him out of anything. It's more about contract value and Markieff is on a decent one.

Lets agree to disagree here because i don't agree with anything you're saying and we are just going in circles

[sportscrazy]

Would you trade Anthony Tolliver and Steve Blake for P.J. Tucker as a Detroit-Phoenix trade?

[DBC10]

They may be keeping it quiet now but they still have a disgruntled starter who doesn't want play there. He stopped saying it himself, but let his brother be his voice before the PHX game, when Marcus said he isn't happy and they are holding him hostage.

Trading for Meeks would save them $19m. He has 13m left on his deal and Markieff has 32m left. That isn't the selling point (the 1st rd pick is) but when you combine the two, that is damn nice package for a player who doesn't want to play for you anymore (and the whole league knows it).

Or Marcus just went ahead and said it himself. It wouldn't be out of character for him. I don't doubt Markieff is unhappy but it's far from a volatile situation.

It doesn't save Phoenix $19 million. This year they would save $1,730,000 and next year they would save $860,000. Then Meeks' contract ends while Markieff's goes for two more years. But when Jodie comes off the books for them it's not like they're going to sit on the cap space and do nothing with it. That money will be spent. Add in the salaries from that 1st round draft pick and Phoenix isn't saving any actual money at all. Sarver might be a cheap owner, but this isn't the type of move that would get him out of anything. It's more about contract value and Markieff is on a decent one.

Yep. Sarver is a cheap owner, but he had his wallet open for a potential LMA blockbuster landing and it failed. You can bet they're going to try again and hold on to their talent in the meantime. McDonough is actually a smart guy considering the fact that his roster as of 2 years ago was built to tank for a high pick that somehow overperformed and flirted with playoffs in the West. He's been kind of stuck on that playoff mode ever since, which no one can blame.

I actually see Markieff heading to Toronto above anywhere else a higher likelihood since he'd be a great fit for them there. I don't even think they have a good starting PF on that roster. Toronto will likely fork up a 1st rounder for him if things go rocky for the Canadians. I see Stan valuing 1st rounders more considering we're just now sniffing around for playoffs.

[mattao313]

Would you trade Anthony Tolliver and Steve Blake for P.J. Tucker as a Detroit-Phoenix trade?

Whats the point? what does PJ do that they don't?

[coordinator0]

Would you trade Anthony Tolliver and Steve Blake for P.J. Tucker as a Detroit-Phoenix trade?

Eh, that wouldn't be bad for Detroit. Tolliver seems to be a fairly important part of the team thus far though. He's been much better than Ilyasova on defense and the starting unit plays well with him out there instead. Adding Tucker instead and sliding Morris to power forward isn't a terrible idea, but I don't know if there is any real motivation to make that move either.

[tmorgan]

Why would Phoenix do that? A decent starter for a decent backup and a crappy PG?

[Blkbrd671]

Would you trade Anthony Tolliver and Steve Blake for P.J. Tucker as a Detroit-Phoenix trade?

negative

PJ tucker is aging and isn't that great of a player or at least not consistent enough. Tolliver ain't exactly a spring chicken but he's famliar with the system and brings energy every night. I see this as a lateral move, not one that helps either team. And losing blake, while i'd think help, i think in reality it would hurt/

The move that makes the most sense is illy for Kieff.

[Cowology]

What we need right this minute is somebody like Tyreke Evans. Somebody to replace Meeks/Jennings production off the bench and give us a secondary ball-handler. But you don't invest in a move like that when you know those other 2 guys will be returning at some point.

PG: Reggie/Jennings
SG: KCP/Meeks/Reggie
SF: Stanley/KCP/Morris
PF: Morris/Ersan/Baynes
C: Drummond/Anthony

We just need to stay above .500 until we get healthy. Post All-Star break we'll actually be pretty loaded, especially if Stanley develops the way we all think he will. If we're making any trades we better have a damn good reason and we better be thinking long term and not making short-term panic moves.

[Blkbrd671]

What we need right this minute is somebody like Tyreke Evans. Somebody to replace Meeks/Jennings production off the bench and give us a secondary ball-handler. But you don't invest in a move like that when you know those other 2 guys will be returning at some point.

PG: Reggie/Jennings
SG: KCP/Meeks/Reggie
SF: Stanley/KCP/Morris
PF: Morris/Ersan/Baynes
C: Drummond/Anthony

We just need to stay above .500 until we get healthy. Post All-Star break we'll actually be pretty loaded, especially if Stanley develops the way we all think he will. If we're making any trades we better have a damn good reason and we better be thinking long term and not making short-term panic moves.

T Evans with Dre in the PnR :drool: