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Re: Det (5-3) @ Clips (5-4) 3:30pm SAT-GM (9) 

Post#481 » by Blkbrd671 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:36 pm

My assessment of last nights game is this


The first half is what our team could be
The 2nd half is what our team currently is


I saw some "scapegoat" comments, and those are actually valid depending on the argument being made, however RJ is the point of attack, and the fact that he had i believe 0 assist in the 2nd half from the position that is to distribute can not be ignored. In a win, yes, not when we are losing. The very last play where he dribbled the ball for 10 seconds w Jordan on him is a clear example of him trying to "be the guy" instead of "being the team". ITs no soley on him, but if you want to be paid like the star, your going to get the expectations.
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Post#482 » by Todd3 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:09 am

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jackson does not know to play PnR. he only use drummond to geti to the rim. İf he use gim right , we could have more good catch & shoot opportunities. morris is good shooter, kcp is ok, but they need space. and that is pg's job.


Jackson has been one of the best pick & roll PGs in the league over the last few years. There are numbers to support this.

Who is he supposed to use to get to the rim in a 1-5 PnR other than the 5 man? That is what a 1-5 PnR is - PG uses a pick from the C to get to the rim. He is using him right. Its on the shooters around them to create space for them in the paint. Its on Dre and Reggie to dominate the paint to create open looks for the shooters from the perimeter. They are doing their job. The shooters are not. This is not debatable. Drummond and Reggie are combined 55% FG from the rim to 10ft. The shooters around them are ~30% from 3 (other than Ilyasova).


it is debatable.how many assits does jackson in p&r situations. drummond scores only in post ups and putbacks. is it good for a great p&r pg.

do catch & shoot guys missed open shoot or they are contested. open shoots could be created only with a good p&r. but jackson has a tunnel vision, he only wants to score himself.



I already told you assists are irrelevant if no one is making shots. And when no one is making shots from the perimeter, and your PG & C are dominating in the paint, why would our shooters be contested? Defenders are sagging off our shooters into Reggie's driving and passing lanes because no one is making them pay from the perimeter. That is the problem. If we were shooting better, spacing would be better, Reggie would have more room to drive and create, and we would have better ball movement as a team.
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Re: Det (5-3) @ Clips (5-4) 3:30pm SAT-GM (9) 

Post#483 » by Todd3 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:40 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:My assessment of last nights game is this


The first half is what our team could be
The 2nd half is what our team currently is


I saw some "scapegoat" comments, and those are actually valid depending on the argument being made, however RJ is the point of attack, and the fact that he had i believe 0 assist in the 2nd half from the position that is to distribute can not be ignored. In a win, yes, not when we are losing. The very last play where he dribbled the ball for 10 seconds w Jordan on him is a clear example of him trying to "be the guy" instead of "being the team". ITs no soley on him, but if you want to be paid like the star, your going to get the expectations.


You can't judge a PG by assists though if none of his teammates are making shots . KCP/Morris/AT/SJ were combined 2-17 3FG and 11-31 FG overall. When no one is making anything around you (and you as PG are 47% FG in the game and one of the best paint scorers in the league) do you keep passing to your teammates for more jumpshots, or try take it to the rim yourself? Usually when jumphots aren't going, the best thing to do is get it to your best paint scorers and have them get something going towards the rim. In our case that is Jackson and Drummond.

He could have gotten it to Drummond more off the pick & roll, but with how they were fouling Dre, that was no better option than passing to the 2-17 3pt shooters. So if you as a PG have it going, and see your shooters and C not making anything from 3 or FTs, taking it yourself is probably the smartest decision in that situation, I thought. We really didn't give him many other options.
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Post#484 » by pistontr » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:32 am

jackson rarely pass the ball when he plays p&r with drummond. he want only to go rim. it is not hard to understand.
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Re: Det (5-3) @ Clips (5-4) 3:30pm SAT-GM (9) 

Post#485 » by Blkbrd671 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:10 am

Todd3 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:My assessment of last nights game is this


The first half is what our team could be
The 2nd half is what our team currently is


I saw some "scapegoat" comments, and those are actually valid depending on the argument being made, however RJ is the point of attack, and the fact that he had i believe 0 assist in the 2nd half from the position that is to distribute can not be ignored. In a win, yes, not when we are losing. The very last play where he dribbled the ball for 10 seconds w Jordan on him is a clear example of him trying to "be the guy" instead of "being the team". ITs no soley on him, but if you want to be paid like the star, your going to get the expectations.


You can't judge a PG by assists though if none of his teammates are making shots . KCP/Morris/AT/SJ were combined 2-17 3FG and 11-31 FG overall. When no one is making anything around you (and you as PG are 47% FG in the game and one of the best paint scorers in the league) do you keep passing to your teammates for more jumpshots, or try take it to the rim yourself? Usually when jumphots aren't going, the best thing to do is get it to your best paint scorers and have them get something going towards the rim. In our case that is Jackson and Drummond.

He could have gotten it to Drummond more off the pick & roll, but with how they were fouling Dre, that was no better option than passing to the 2-17 3pt shooters. So if you as a PG have it going, and see your shooters and C not making anything from 3 or FTs, taking it yourself is probably the smartest decision in that situation, I thought. We really didn't give him many other options.


The problem is that if you look at our shooters and other players, there shooting poorly or don't get the ball in positions where they have the advantage. That's one RJ.

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