What does Banes bring?

[BadMofoPimp]

Splitter could of been had for a 2nd rounder most likely . . .

[StunnaStan]

Far as im concerned, baynes has been fine off the bench. Im more concerned with the fact that both pf's on the team are undersized stretch 4s. Especially with Drummond not being a good post player, we dont really have a reliable dump down option

[bballnmike]

I've been pretty underwhelmed by Baynes so far, but it's still very early. With some better pg play (Jennings pleaseee) maybe things will start to open up for him more, and he'll be more comfortable in SVG's system.

[The Penguin]

Splitter could of been had for a 2nd rounder most likely . . .

I think the Spurs did a favor to Splitter, they sent him to a "contender" (I'm not sure anyone outside of Cleveland can win the East) with a coach and system he's familiar in. I don't think that was a "get the best value" move, I think it was a "we don't really want to have to do this, but LMA, so we'll do right by you".

[BadMofoPimp]

Far as im concerned, baynes has been fine off the bench. Im more concerned with the fact that both pf's on the team are undersized stretch 4s. Especially with Drummond not being a good post player, we dont really have a reliable dump down option

SVG took the Magic to the finals with an undersized PF in a 6'9" Shard Lewis.

[bballnmike]

Far as im concerned, baynes has been fine off the bench. Im more concerned with the fact that both pf's on the team are undersized stretch 4s. Especially with Drummond not being a good post player, we dont really have a reliable dump down option

SVG took the Magic to the finals with an undersized PF in a 6'9" Shard Lewis.

Not to mention Drummond is starting to look like a legit post player

[Billl]

Banes is pretty far down on the list of "problems". He's a backup center. He'll grab a few rebounds, set some screens, and converts at a decent rate down low.

We've got a great, young center in Dre. As long as he can handle the minutes without fouling to much, he should be a 36 mpg guy for years to come. Whoever is in that backup slot is going to get 12 mpg. I don't know what people were expecting, but top players almost never have backups that fill up stat sheets.

[Todd3]

Banes is pretty far down on the list of "problems". He's a backup center. He'll grab a few rebounds, set some screens, and converts at a decent rate down low.

We've got a great, young center in Dre. As long as he can handle the minutes without fouling to much, he should be a 36 mpg guy for years to come. Whoever is in that backup slot is going to get 12 mpg. I don't know what people were expecting, but top players almost never have backups that fill up stat sheets.

I think the problem is less Baynes himself, but our system is so Center-centric that its kind of exposing him and making him look worse than he really is. The 4-1 system works great when you have a dominant C, but not so much when he is just average. Baynes looks fine in a SA system when he is just a complimentary piece, but making him a focal point of a 1-5 pick & roll offense and asking him to man the paint by himself on defense might be a bigger role than he is equipped to handle (even if only 10 mpg those 10 min still count towards the final score).

I think the adjustment that may need to be made is starting Tolliver and using Ersan in tandem with Baynes off the bench instead. So Baynes doesn't have to carry the whole frontcourt scoring and defense himself. I think he and Ersan would compliment each other well too and form a nice hustle duo and could add an identity to that unit.

[Todd3]

You don't see it now but only because our backup PG sucks. Once Jennings comes back he's going to add a dynamic to the bench. ONE THING IS FOR SURE, he'll take care of the ball and the rhythm. The next thing is he will make plays for Bullock which will get another shooter into the rotation. The next thing is he'll give space for Johnson to work. Then comes Baynes who will excel from good ball movement provided by Jennings. These are what PGs do in SVG's system.

The worst thing that can happen is we keep him for the rest of the year, then there's only 2 years on his contract left (last being player option which is the only thing that bothered me). It's not a big deal. He's tradable. Every team needs a big man and it's not like he can't play. He's not bad

I think this board might be putting too much stock in the impact Jennings will have upon his return. I hope he does as much as the next guy but I don't know how realistic it is that Jennings will be this bench savior. Everybody was saying the same thing about Meeks last year and while he helped a bit, he wasn't as great as we made him out to be.

I can't remember a player in the last 20 years who came off an achilles rupture and came back half-way decent that weren't superstars. I will bet all of you, Jennings will not look good out there. He's out of shape and hasn't seen the court in a long time.

Also, Baynes is worthless. He truly is, I die a little inside whenever he posts up and throws up a wild shot. I wish we had somehow gotten Tiago instead as our de factor backup big, at least he offers an underrated defensive presence and plays hard. Pop absolutely loved him, that's enough of an endorsement.

Different sport but even more physically taxing - Adrian Peterson.

Regarding Tiago, that was clearly a buddy deal with Budenholzer. No sense blaming Stan for going with Baynes instead if Tiago wasn't available. The guy I wanted and was available was Kyle O'Quin. He is doing good for the Knicks too.

[tmorgan]

He's not getting any open ten-to-fifteen footers, which is what I thought we'd use him for. Lots of nice screens, though. There's value there, but not 7 million a year worth.

SVG needs to run a different offense when Dre sits. So far, he isn't really doing that. Hopefully, he will eventually.

[zeebneeb]

He's not getting any open ten-to-fifteen footers, which is what I thought we'd use him for. Lots of nice screens, though. There's value there, but not 7 million a year worth.

SVG needs to run a different offense when Dre sits. So far, he isn't really doing that. Hopefully, he will eventually.

Nail on the head. Now they can run that but with Erson off the bench instead and Jennings running the point. As it stand baynes is not a back-to-the-basket type of player more of a high screen and roll option type and high post passer both of which will work beautifully with a shooting or slashing pg. Our bench would look a hell of alot better with Lou Williams no matter how bad of a chucker he is becuase he forces teams to pick him up wherever he is.

As it stands when baynes comes in the offense has to change to a moving system instead of what we play with the starters.

[DBC10]

I think this board might be putting too much stock in the impact Jennings will have upon his return. I hope he does as much as the next guy but I don't know how realistic it is that Jennings will be this bench savior. Everybody was saying the same thing about Meeks last year and while he helped a bit, he wasn't as great as we made him out to be.

I can't remember a player in the last 20 years who came off an achilles rupture and came back half-way decent that weren't superstars. I will bet all of you, Jennings will not look good out there. He's out of shape and hasn't seen the court in a long time.

Also, Baynes is worthless. He truly is, I die a little inside whenever he posts up and throws up a wild shot. I wish we had somehow gotten Tiago instead as our de factor backup big, at least he offers an underrated defensive presence and plays hard. Pop absolutely loved him, that's enough of an endorsement.

Different sport but even more physically taxing - Adrian Peterson.

Regarding Tiago, that was clearly a buddy deal with Budenholzer. No sense blaming Stan for going with Baynes instead if Tiago wasn't available. The guy I wanted and was available was Kyle O'Quin. He is doing good for the Knicks too.

Peterson never destroyed his achilles, only his ACL and MCL I believe. Achilles tendons are a whole another level.

Only one I can think of is Dominique but he was such a freak athlete that he's the only outlier. Jennings is neither the fastest nor the freakest of athletes, so I'm keeping my optimism pretty low on his recovery and how he even contributes.

[Eoghan]

A pretty sweet ginger beard?

He's been fine from what I've seen. Then again, I'm used to seeing Spencer Hawes playing his "special" brand of basketball.

Please, no Joel Anthony.

[DET_Athletics]

Banes is pretty far down on the list of "problems". He's a backup center. He'll grab a few rebounds, set some screens, and converts at a decent rate down low.

We've got a great, young center in Dre. As long as he can handle the minutes without fouling to much, he should be a 36 mpg guy for years to come. Whoever is in that backup slot is going to get 12 mpg. I don't know what people were expecting, but top players almost never have backups that fill up stat sheets.

I think the problem is less Baynes himself, but our system is so Center-centric that its kind of exposing him and making him look worse than he really is. The 4-1 system works great when you have a dominant C, but not so much when he is just average. Baynes looks fine in a SA system when he is just a complimentary piece, but making him a focal point of a 1-5 pick & roll offense and asking him to man the paint by himself on defense might be a bigger role than he is equipped to handle (even if only 10 mpg those 10 min still count towards the final score).

I think the adjustment that may need to be made is starting Tolliver and using Ersan in tandem with Baynes off the bench instead. So Baynes doesn't have to carry the whole frontcourt scoring and defense himself. I think he and Ersan would compliment each other well too and form a nice hustle duo and could add an identity to that unit.

thats were ersan is going to end up next year anyways, i still think we need a better back-up than Baynes tho, if we plan on making the playoffs our pick isnt going to be in the lottery, trade it with him and meeks to get a good center with a expiring, roy hibbert comes to mind....

[seeKEVolution]

He'll be alright. Give him time to gel with his teammates.

[Liqourish]

I think Baynes is useful, unfortunately, he's surrounded by all bench guys and usually has Ersan or Tolliver with him who never help inside. But he's good enough to give Andre a breather.