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[Todd3]

Davis is probably a top 3 or 4 talent in the league.

Based on what?

Have you watched him play? He's averaging 24 and 11 and 3 blocks? He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA?

Like I said, I love Drummond, and we can continue to play the potential card, and the improvement card. But Davis is worlds ahead offensively and defensively than Drummond. And he is also only 22 years old and is only going to improve. Drummond is never going to be as skilled as Davis is.

You are proving my point. Davis is more skilled right now, yet has no greater effect on games with those skills than Drummond does w/o. So how does that make him better?

It's not a skills competition. It's about who effects the game more/ wins more.

If the basis of your argument is stats, what makes 24/11/3 better than 19/17 and 2 stls? Statistically there is really no difference. Both are posting monster stats. In fact many advanced numbers say Drummond is actually the better player - especially defensively, so I don't know what makes you think Davis is worlds better - on either end. I'll post their stat comparisons later

[Arp590]

lots of buffoonery in this thread...

Dear god, I might have nightmares tonight after seeing that picture.

[Arp590]

Based on what?

Have you watched him play? He's averaging 24 and 11 and 3 blocks? He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA?

Like I said, I love Drummond, and we can continue to play the potential card, and the improvement card. But Davis is worlds ahead offensively and defensively than Drummond. And he is also only 22 years old and is only going to improve. Drummond is never going to be as skilled as Davis is.

You are proving my point. Davis is more skilled right now, yet has no greater effect on games with those skills than Drummond does w/o. So how does that make him better?

It's not a skills competition. It's about who effects the game more/ wins more.

If the basis of your argument is stats, what makes 24/11/3 better than 19/17 and 2 stls? Statistically there is really no difference. Both are posting monster stats. In fact many advanced numbers say Drummond is actually the better player - especially defensively, so I don't know what makes you think Davis is worlds better - on either end. I'll post their stat comparisons later

The season is still early, and Davis has been a little sub-par so far this year. The Pelicans had 45 wins last year, 13 more than us. So you can't really disregard what he did last season where he clearly had a greater impact on wins then Drummond.
We're only 20 games into the season.

The dude averaged 24.4 pts, 10.2 rebs, 2.9 blocks, 1.5 steals, 53% FG, 80% FT last season.
Those are some pretty amazing numbers.

Davis pretty much is what he is already.

That's crazy to say, he's only 22, he just added a 3 point shot to his game, there is so much more he can improve upon.

I'm sorry but if you guys post some of this on the general board, you will be laughed at.
Drummond is going to be dominant for years to come, but Anthony Davis has so much talent it's unbelievable, the potential is limitless.
Dre has definitely narrowed the gap though.

[joedumars1]

Have you watched him play? He's averaging 24 and 11 and 3 blocks? He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA?

Like I said, I love Drummond, and we can continue to play the potential card, and the improvement card. But Davis is worlds ahead offensively and defensively than Drummond. And he is also only 22 years old and is only going to improve. Drummond is never going to be as skilled as Davis is.

You are proving my point. Davis is more skilled right now, yet has no greater effect on games with those skills than Drummond does w/o. So how does that make him better?

It's not a skills competition. It's about who effects the game more/ wins more.

If the basis of your argument is stats, what makes 24/11/3 better than 19/17 and 2 stls? Statistically there is really no difference. Both are posting monster stats. In fact many advanced numbers say Drummond is actually the better player - especially defensively, so I don't know what makes you think Davis is worlds better - on either end. I'll post their stat comparisons later

The season is still early, and Davis has been a little sub-par so far this year. The Pelicans had 45 wins last year, 13 more than us. So you can't really disregard what he did last season where he clearly had a greater impact on wins then Drummond.
We're only 20 games into the season.

The dude averaged 24.4 pts, 10.2 rebs, 2.9 blocks, 1.5 steals, 53% FG, 80% FT last season.
Those are some pretty amazing numbers.

Davis pretty much is what he is already.

That's crazy to say, he's only 22, he just added a 3 point shot to his game, there is so much more he can improve upon.

I'm sorry but if you guys post some of this on the general board, you will be laughed at.
Drummond is going to be dominant for years to come, but Anthony Davis has so much talent it's unbelievable, the potential is limitless.
Dre has definitely narrowed the gap though.

greg Monroe had something to do with last year. If you asked the gb if dre is the best center league they'd say no. If you asked if rj is a top 7-10 pg hell I think he might be 5 they'd laugh. I'm sorry but our fans bbiq is smart. That's what I love about Detroit fans some might be biased but they're smart most anyway

[jars]

Davis is probably a top 3 or 4 talent in the league.

Based on what?

Have you watched him play? He's averaging 24 and 11 and 3 blocks? He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA?

Like I said, I love Drummond, and we can continue to play the potential card, and the improvement card. But Davis is worlds ahead offensively and defensively than Drummond. And he is also only 22 years old and is only going to improve. Drummond is never going to be as skilled as Davis is.

The Pelicans have been downright awful this season. In terms of maximising Anthony Davis' potential, the Pelicans have literally put one of the worst supporting casts around him which has made it difficult to evaluate his 'worth' to the team. The trade for Holiday seemed silly, even before the injury came out (can you imagine Davis and Noel together?). Eric Gordon would have been a good piece with Davis if it wasn't for all those injuries. Tyreke is maybe his best supporting cast member at the moment but the guy can't shoot which hurts in the small ball era. The Pels re-signed Asik AND Ajincas to big contracts considering both of them are negative offensive players. I honestly don't know what their direction is but if they don't pull out some amazing trades/free agent signings I think the 'Anthony Davis on the move' rumours will begin late next year. I don't see the Pelicans being a legit title contender if they don't get Davis some real help.

In contrast, SVG has gone out and created a system that is ideal for Drummond.

The reason people are so high on Anthiony Davis is because of his versaitility. AD is quick enough, long enough and strong enough to defend all 5 positions to a high level. Realistically, he can slide between the 4 or 5 and dominate nearly any player on both sides of the ball because of his physical tools. His skill set is really good and it is only going to improve. Barring injury Anthony Davis will be one of the best players in the league for a long time and has the potential to be a transcendent player IF the Pelicans can get it together

[hoophabit]

I caught up on this thread and still can't figure out why people want to turn this into a Davis vs Drummond debate. Davis is a wonderfully gifted player. I feel no need to run him down to simply say that Drummond's maturing approach to his game allows people to reasonably question where he might ultimately rate within his draft class. A hypothetical redraft would certainly result in his going much higher than 9th. None of this means I"m asserting that he's the certain #1.

I suppose you could say the Piston's current 4 out 1 in system is ideal for Drummond, but it's current makeup is far from ideal. An LMA or Davis type PF playing with Drummond would be a huge improvement, although Ersan has been playing his role better of late. It also seems very clear that the Pistons are in desperate need of quality depth.

[DBC10]

I caught up on this thread and still can't figure out why people want to turn this into a Davis vs Drummond debate. Davis is a wonderfully gifted player. I feel no need to run him down to simply say that Drummond's maturing approach to his game allows people to reasonably question where he might ultimately rate within his draft class. A hypothetical redraft would certainly result in his going much higher than 9th. None of this means I"m not asserting that he's the certain #1.

I suppose you could say the Piston's current 4 out 1 in system is ideal for Drummond, but it's current makeup is far from ideal. An LMA or Davis type PF playing with Drummond would be a huge improvement, although Ersan has been playing his role better of late. It also seems very clear that the Pistons are in desperate need of quality depth.

The Pelicans were one pick away from getting Drummond and pairing him up with Davis...That frontcourt would be a historic one.

Instead, they used the pick on Austin "HERE COMES AUSTIN RIVERS" Rivers. They should have desperately tried to trade up.

[Arp590]

You are proving my point. Davis is more skilled right now, yet has no greater effect on games with those skills than Drummond does w/o. So how does that make him better?

It's not a skills competition. It's about who effects the game more/ wins more.

If the basis of your argument is stats, what makes 24/11/3 better than 19/17 and 2 stls? Statistically there is really no difference. Both are posting monster stats. In fact many advanced numbers say Drummond is actually the better player - especially defensively, so I don't know what makes you think Davis is worlds better - on either end. I'll post their stat comparisons later

The season is still early, and Davis has been a little sub-par so far this year. The Pelicans had 45 wins last year, 13 more than us. So you can't really disregard what he did last season where he clearly had a greater impact on wins then Drummond.
We're only 20 games into the season.

The dude averaged 24.4 pts, 10.2 rebs, 2.9 blocks, 1.5 steals, 53% FG, 80% FT last season.
Those are some pretty amazing numbers.

Davis pretty much is what he is already.

That's crazy to say, he's only 22, he just added a 3 point shot to his game, there is so much more he can improve upon.

I'm sorry but if you guys post some of this on the general board, you will be laughed at.
Drummond is going to be dominant for years to come, but Anthony Davis has so much talent it's unbelievable, the potential is limitless.
Dre has definitely narrowed the gap though.

greg Monroe had something to do with last year. If you asked the gb if dre is the best center league they'd say no. If you asked if rj is a top 7-10 pg hell I think he might be 5 they'd laugh. I'm sorry but our fans bbiq is smart. That's what I love about Detroit fans some might be biased but they're smart most anyway

Actually i'm not so sure they would say No to Drummond being the best Center in the league. Davis is a PF.
Drummond's competition is Hassan Whiteside and Cousins at this point.
I would rank Drummond ahead of both those guys, Cousins because of his low FG% for a big man and high turnovers.

Top 5 PG in the league? Top 10 sure. But Top 5 I don't think so.
1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Lowry
4. Chris Paul
5/6. John Wall/Damian Lillard
7. Reggie Jackson/Teague/Bledsoe/Conley

Yeah Reggie is definitely top 10 though.
I agree Detroit fans on this forum are smart for the most part.

[Arp590]

I caught up on this thread and still can't figure out why people want to turn this into a Davis vs Drummond debate.

Well the OP's question was "has Dre become the best player from his draft class" So that question requires a Davis vs Drummond debate for that to be answered.

[hoophabit]

I caught up on this thread and still can't figure out why people want to turn this into a Davis vs Drummond debate.

Well the OP's question was "has Dre become the best player from his draft class" So that question requires a Davis vs Drummond debate for that to be answered.

That is true. However, no debate comparing these 22 year old 4th year players at this point in time will actually settle that issue. Both have proven to be very impactful players with their own shortcomings. Drummond, IMO, is making it reasonable to ask the question, and that has been my point. I understand people will have differing views.

[ComboGuardCity]

It's no stuckey vs harden but it's clear Davis is better and has the better likely hood of improving skill wise.


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[davidvolumes]

It is not as clear to me #51 as it is to you that Davis chances of improving are better than Dre. Dre's improvement this year is just the beginning of his development and potential. He can continue to improve on his jump hook with his left and right hand. He can add a face up shot from ten feet. He can add a strictly power move ala Shaq. How about a turnaround bankshot ala Tim Duncan. Coming out of college there was a wide gag between the two. Today not nearly as much. Two years from now who knows if there will be a gap.

[ComboGuardCity]

It is not as clear to me #51 as it is to you that Davis chances of improving are better than Dre. Dre's improvement this year is just the beginning of his development and potential. He can continue to improve on his jump hook with his left and right hand. He can add a face up shot from ten feet. He can add a strictly power move ala Shaq. How about a turnaround bankshot ala Tim Duncan. Coming out of college there was a wide gag between the two. Today not nearly as much. Two years from now who knows if there will be a gap.

Could vs will vs has. Davis is a has and a can.


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[Arp590]

It's no stuckey vs harden but it's clear Davis is better and has the better likely hood of improving skill wise.

Oh man I remember that thread!

It is not as clear to me #51 as it is to you that Davis chances of improving are better than Dre. Dre's improvement this year is just the beginning of his development and potential. He can continue to improve on his jump hook with his left and right hand. He can add a face up shot from ten feet. He can add a strictly power move ala Shaq. How about a turnaround bankshot ala Tim Duncan. Coming out of college there was a wide gag between the two. Today not nearly as much. Two years from now who knows if there will be a gap.

Davis has already shown he can do amazing things and as a player he is clearly better than Drummond right now.

Drummond has the potential to go down in history as one of the most dominant centers.
However, Davis has the potential to go down as the GOAT.. not saying he will get there but he has the potential.

[Shady_]

It's no stuckey vs harden but it's clear Davis is better and has the better likely hood of improving skill wise.

Oh man I remember that thread!

there was a stuckey vs harden thread???

Davis has already shown he can do amazing things and as a player he is clearly better than Drummond right now.

Drummond has the potential to go down in history as one of the most dominant centers.
However, Davis has the potential to go down as the GOAT.. not saying he will get there but he has the potential.

Saying Davis has the potential to go down as the GOAT is taking it to far, not even Tim Duncan could achieve that title.

[Blkbrd671]

Put draymond on any other team and his weakness are exposed. He's a player that every team needs and his versatility is unique, but he's not superstar.

Davis
Dre

If Dre ever becomes "shaq" unstoppable in the post, then i'd put him over Davis. As of now Davis is ahead.

[bkseven]

1A and 1B between Davis/Dre as of now. But Davis still has a lot of room for improvements

This is one of those weird comparisons where Davis might be the better player, but Dre has the potential to have a larger impact.

Kinda reminds me of the Big Ben vs. Artest arguments. In his prime Artest was the "better" defender, but Ben's ability to protect the paint and alter the way an entire team was forced to play gave him greater value.

Davis will continue to draw KG comparisons; not as good a ball-handler/passer but he has that type of skilled offensive game that allows him to score from anyplace on the floor and he's a versatile defender. But Dre is headed towards being some sort of Dwight/Shaq hybrid that can command a consistent double team down low and that adds all sorts of value to his overall impact on the game.

Right now Davis is still the better player and more of a sure thing, but the gap is smaller than a lot of people thought it would be and I personally believe Dre has more untapped potential. Dre has the ability to be truly dominant in another couple of years. As well as he's playing the kid is still incredibly raw.

Davis has legit ball handling skills, especially for his size

[bkseven]

It's no stuckey vs harden but it's clear Davis is better and has the better likely hood of improving skill wise.

Oh man I remember that thread!

there was a stuckey vs harden thread???

Davis has already shown he can do amazing things and as a player he is clearly better than Drummond right now.

Drummond has the potential to go down in history as one of the most dominant centers.
However, Davis has the potential to go down as the GOAT.. not saying he will get there but he has the potential.

Saying Davis has the potential to go down as the GOAT is taking it to far, not even Tim Duncan could achieve that title.

Yes, see my sig.

[Arp590]

It's no stuckey vs harden but it's clear Davis is better and has the better likely hood of improving skill wise.

Oh man I remember that thread!

there was a stuckey vs harden thread???

Davis has already shown he can do amazing things and as a player he is clearly better than Drummond right now.

Drummond has the potential to go down in history as one of the most dominant centers.
However, Davis has the potential to go down as the GOAT.. not saying he will get there but he has the potential.

Saying Davis has the potential to go down as the GOAT is taking it to far, not even Tim Duncan could achieve that title.

Yes that thread existed, it was a low point for some Piston fans lol.

It's actually been said many times by others that Davis could go down as the GOAT. The odds of him achieving that are against him, but I can't deny the potential is there.

[RipCity32]

Based on what?

Have you watched him play? He's averaging 24 and 11 and 3 blocks? He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA?

Like I said, I love Drummond, and we can continue to play the potential card, and the improvement card. But Davis is worlds ahead offensively and defensively than Drummond. And he is also only 22 years old and is only going to improve. Drummond is never going to be as skilled as Davis is.

You are proving my point. Davis is more skilled right now, yet has no greater effect on games with those skills than Drummond does w/o. So how does that make him better?

It's not a skills competition. It's about who effects the game more/ wins more.

If the basis of your argument is stats, what makes 24/11/3 better than 19/17 and 2 stls? Statistically there is really no difference. Both are posting monster stats. In fact many advanced numbers say Drummond is actually the better player - especially defensively, so I don't know what makes you think Davis is worlds better - on either end. I'll post their stat comparisons later

Did Davis not make the playoffs last season with the Pelicans? And that roster was nothing to write home about and the West was world's better than the East last season.
I'm not arguing who is having a better year, but you really have to be blind to not think Davis is a better player at this point in their careers. If you wanna throw the winning card, Davis making the playoffs last year gives him the edge. Pistons are winning now sure, but Andre hasn't led this team to the playoffs yet in his career. Really hasn't even gotten close.

As far as defense goes, Davis finished I believe 4th last year in DPOY voting. I mean enough can be said right there. Watch him play, the impact goes far beyond the advanced stats.

Davis is more skilled, has had a better career to this point. It really isn't an argument. If you wanna argue who is having a better season that's a different story. But having a better season through 20ish games doesn't make Drummond better than Davis is.
Andre has narrowed the gap for sure, but that gap was quite a large one to begin with.