This team is damn good. Minus the bench. Brain busting stats inside.

[Todd3]

Anybody thinking Baynes can be on the court with either Dre or Anthony need to go back and re-watch the Phoenix game and see how smaller/quicker players present problems for our centers. This again goes back to what I said before and that people see he has a decent jumper and considers his offense to be greater than what it is. There's no way Baynes can be on the floor as a PF.

The reality is he shouldn't be on the court at all. He has no decent jumper. Only reason trying him at PF might work is because it would get Anthony on the court who can actually defend the paint at the C position, and Stan is unlikely to bench Baynes outright this early (even though he should). In other words putting him at PF isn't to take advantage of anything he does well, rather to hide him more, as all the things he does poor might be less exposed there. Basically just use him as an extra dirty work guy up front, instead of the main and only one.

How are you hiding him by putting him on guys that can walk past him like a fire hydrant?

You aren't hiding him completely. Only way to do that is to bench him. You are exposing him less at PF than C though, as he will no longer be responsible for protecting the whole paint himself.

Him getting scored on by a backup PF for 12 mpg is less of a liability than him getting scored on by the whole opposing offense like is happening now. Every player on the other team waltzes in our paint when he comes in. That wouldn't happen as much with Anthony at C.

[Guest]

I don't get the Baynes hate. What else do you expect from a back up C? You guys gotta understand that in order for Baynes to shine in this system we need a good PG. the problem is Steve Blake. Once Jennings comes back you guys will see the difference.


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[RasheedTupac]

I don't get the Baynes hate. What else do you expect from a back up C? You guys gotta understand that in order for Baynes to shine in this system we need a good PG. the problem is Steve Blake. Once Jennings comes back you guys will see the difference.


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[mercury]

It's a good situation when we're talking about a couple 15 mpg guys being the primary problem... this has been a quick transition... it's coming together nicely

[MotownMadness]

Kinda crazy Morris is top 10 in the league in plus/minus. I wasn't aware of that until reading that thread in the GB about him.

[zeebneeb]

Yeah Morris has been phenomenal for us. Between his outstanding defense, willingness to do whatever coach asks of him and his ability to just eek out much needed shots down on the block on a nightly basis, I'm willing to say he has established himself as a certified starter on this team. Our starters stats place them in with the most elite of the league and he has been an integral cog in that wheel. He brings more then diverse talents though. His attitude which resounds here in Detroit unlike other pushover cities like Phoenix pumps up the crowd. I like seeing players getting physical getting techs and thrown out. That's the edge a championship team needs to have.

He is so much like Rasheed it's scary at times. You can see his influence all over Morris's game and see that they hang out so damn much. That turn around fade away on the block is every bit as ungaurdable as Rasheeds was.

[Spider156]

I don't get the Baynes hate. What else do you expect from a back up C? You guys gotta understand that in order for Baynes to shine in this system we need a good PG. the problem is Steve Blake. Once Jennings comes back you guys will see the difference.

I believe this too. When Blake doesn't play well Baynes doesn't either. Baynes can catch and put it in the basket. But he won't make his own offense. Blake is making it harder. When Jennings comes back Baynes will get a better passing point guard while also being a better scorer. Fitness doesn't have anything to do with it. What negative would Jennings be doing that Blake isn't doing right now? This team will have a whole new different dynamic when Jennings comes back. It's going to be really exciting because Stanley Johnson is playing with him too. I'm really excited but also cautious. I think Jennings is putting a lot of pressure on himself. He said it himself. He said he's not worried about if he'll resign or not. He's just trying to come back to the court and hope that he'll be good. It's a nice Christmas present.

[DetroitSho]

I don't get the Baynes hate. What else do you expect from a back up C? You guys gotta understand that in order for Baynes to shine in this system we need a good PG. the problem is Steve Blake. Once Jennings comes back you guys will see the difference.


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Even with Blake he wouldn't be so bad if they just stopped giving him carte blanche on post up opportunities. He gets to post up a higher percentage of times he's got good position than Dre does. It needs to stop because if the end result is just going to be that stupid sweeping hook then that's a wasted possession.

[basedjesus]

damn didnt stats to know it whose bench but man these stats are really bad

[vic]

simple solution just replace Baynes with Joel Anthony... a championship player that still shuts down the layup line, still catches lobs and is a better defender than either other center.

Play Baynes against 2-big lineups only.

Oh yeah I forgot - Baynes gets paid more so lets keep trotting out the worst bench in the league because paychex

[Snakebites]

Yeah, I dunno. Sorta reminds me of the Washington D.C. mayor who said "ya know, if you take out the murder rate, D.C. actually has a very low crime rate".

Lots of teams look good when you ignore their biggest hole.