How high are you on KCP? Expectations?

[Todd3]

my point is he should not be allowed to create offense or his own shot.

Agree. That is my only real issue with him. Like any player -- know what you don't know and don't do it. Offense just isn't his strength. It's like if Dre started taking 3s and it was costing the team, he would need to stop doing it if we wanted to ever win consistently. KCP can still learn to play effective team offense (ie move the ball/move off the ball, shoot the shots you are good at), but all the trying to create offense himself and taking shots he hasn't proven he can make efficiently has to stop if we want to be the best we can offensively. And it has, the last 2 games he has been much better in that regard and to no surprise we have put in our 2 best performances of the year on offense. It's no real secret, when your most efficient scorers take the most shots and your least efficient take the least, your offense will be more efficient as a whole.

He needs to just camp in that left corner and take the 3 when its there and pass when its not and not do a whole lot else on offense. Just let the other 4 starters carry the scoring like Billups/Rasheed/Hamilton/Prince used to with Ben, like they showed they can do last night all scoring over 22 points on great efficiency. That is the formula to making this work with KCP in my opinion.

[joedumars1]

Hey Harden said his minutes could be a reason he's not doing so good. I'm thinking that has something to do with KCP too, he uses so much energy on the D end as well, remember he is still young. I expect him to get better this year, he has already probably drove more this year than last and has shown some nice handles compared to earlier in his career.

[whitehops]

I know it's easy to say after a career game but last night's game just confirms my hopes in KCP. Not necessarily because he was making his shots, but he was also handling the ball a lot. When Jackson was on the bench KCP was actually the pick and roll ball handler a fair bit.

I'm not even going off of numbers but just looking at KCP this year you can see how much he has improved.

And I'm amazed at his motor every time I watch him. His stamina is out of this world

[Todd3]

I know it's easy to say after a career game but last night's game just confirms my hopes in KCP. Not necessarily because he was making his shots, but he was also handling the ball a lot. When Jackson was on the bench KCP was actually the pick and roll ball handler a fair bit.

I'm not even going off of numbers but just looking at KCP this year you can see how much he has improved.

And I'm amazed at his motor every time I watch him. His stamina is out of this world

He is really developing over the last 3. He usually looks so unsure with the ball, often dribbling into trouble, but now he is making decisive moves and the right ones and succeeding at it. He is playing more poised and confident, starting to look more like a vet. I think the game is slowing down for him.

[Redeemed]

I know it's easy to say after a career game but last night's game just confirms my hopes in KCP. Not necessarily because he was making his shots, but he was also handling the ball a lot. When Jackson was on the bench KCP was actually the pick and roll ball handler a fair bit.

I'm not even going off of numbers but just looking at KCP this year you can see how much he has improved.

And I'm amazed at his motor every time I watch him. His stamina is out of this world

He is really developing over the last 3. He usually looks so unsure with the ball, often dribbling into trouble, but now he is making decisive moves and the right ones and succeeding at it. He is playing more poised and confident, starting to look more like a vet. I think the game is slowing down for him.

That's exactly it. He was decisive in his actions. Instead of his speed looking like nervous uncontrolled energy, it was an asset that made him more effective in his attack. KCP is developing. I'm anxious to see what he looks like on offense against Jimmy Butler and Wade.

[Jamaaliver]

That's exactly it. He was decisive in his actions. Instead of his speed looking like nervous uncontrolled energy, it was an asset that made him more effective in his attack. KCP is developing. I'm anxious to see what he looks like on offense against Jimmy Butler and Wade.

KCP has been pretty productive of late, avg 20 ppg over his last 5. Though still fairly inefficient overall.

Any chance you guys you might be open to moving him for the right package?

Anything the Hawks might be able to offer to get him in?

Can KCP and Reggie Jackson co-exist long-term?

[joedumars1]

That's exactly it. He was decisive in his actions. Instead of his speed looking like nervous uncontrolled energy, it was an asset that made him more effective in his attack. KCP is developing. I'm anxious to see what he looks like on offense against Jimmy Butler and Wade.

KCP has been pretty productive of late, avg 20 ppg over his last 5. Though still fairly inefficient overall.

Any chance you guys you might be open to moving him for the right package?

Anything the Hawks might be able to offer to get him in?

Can KCP and Reggie Jackson co-exist long-term?

I'm not moving KCP. Seems like he has a lot of potential. If he doesn't ever hit that, he would still be a very good role player.

[Redeemed]

That's exactly it. He was decisive in his actions. Instead of his speed looking like nervous uncontrolled energy, it was an asset that made him more effective in his attack. KCP is developing. I'm anxious to see what he looks like on offense against Jimmy Butler and Wade.

KCP has been pretty productive of late, avg 20 ppg over his last 5. Though still fairly inefficient overall.

Any chance you guys you might be open to moving him for the right package?

Anything the Hawks might be able to offer to get him in?

Can KCP and Reggie Jackson co-exist long-term?

SVG is really high on KCP. He's looking forward to seeing KCP and Stanley Johnson develop into a tandem of elite perimeter defenders. That alone, makes it highly unlikely that KCP will get moved in the foreseeable future. Also, with his penchant for seizing the clutch moments of the game and sticking those shots with no fear, he has the potential for top two way player status.

IMO it would be a huge mistake to part with Pope.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm not moving KCP. Seems like he has a lot of potential. If he doesn't ever hit that, he would still be a very good role player.

IMO it would be a huge mistake to part with Pope.

Smart. Very smart. But I'd hope you guys would be open to a deal that could come along and make you guys a true contender.

I'd hold on tight to KCP as well. But if the goal is to bring home another title [for the 4th consecutive decade], all options should (hopefully) be on the table.

Remember, it was trading away Grant Hill for Ben Wallace that powered you guys to elite status.




Either way, can't wait for tonight's game. My Hawks are looking for some revenge after that opening night massacre.

[DetroitPistons]

That's exactly it. He was decisive in his actions. Instead of his speed looking like nervous uncontrolled energy, it was an asset that made him more effective in his attack. KCP is developing. I'm anxious to see what he looks like on offense against Jimmy Butler and Wade.

KCP has been pretty productive of late, avg 20 ppg over his last 5. Though still fairly inefficient overall.

Any chance you guys you might be open to moving him for the right package?

Anything the Hawks might be able to offer to get him in?

Can KCP and Reggie Jackson co-exist long-term?

It would take a superstar package for KCP to be included. Outside of Drummond and Jackson, KCP is probably the 3rd unlikeliest player to be traded and it isn't close. He has slowly but surely improved each year he has been in the league and literally does just about everything well now. He is our best defender, best hustle player, and has consistently been clutch for us. It would be dumb for us to trade him now unless it's an offer we can't refuse. Also, Jackson and KCP have no problem playing together whatsoever. They compliment each other very well. KCP doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective offensively. He scores most of his points on catch and shoots, coming off screens, and hustle but he's also capable of taking some pressure off Jackson for a possession every now and then where he can play P&R and get a good shot himself. So as of right now there really isn't any incentive at all to trade him, especially when we are currently playing good basketball, which he has been a big part of.

[DetroitPistons]

I'm not moving KCP. Seems like he has a lot of potential. If he doesn't ever hit that, he would still be a very good role player.

IMO it would be a huge mistake to part with Pope.

Smart. Very smart. But I'd hope you guys would be open to a deal that could come along and make you guys a true contender.

I'd hold on tight to KCP as well. But if the goal is to bring home another title [for the 4th consecutive decade], all options should (hopefully) be on the table.

Remember, it was trading away Grant Hill that acquired Ben Wallace and powered you guys to elite status.




Either way, can't wait for tonight's game. My Hawks are looking for some revenge after that opening night massacre.

I agree, all options should be considered but I just can't think of a scenario that would sway us to trade him unless it was for a star PF.

I also cannot wait for tonight's game. We've just gotten three huge wins against BOS, CHI, and MIA, all teams that we are battling with for playoff seeding. We're hoping we can close out this stretch with a huge win over you guys. Should be fun!

[Jamaaliver]

He is our best defender, best hustle player, and has consistently been clutch for us. Also, Jackson and KCP have no problem playing together whatsoever. KCP doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective offensively. He scores most of his points on catch and shoots, coming off screens, and hustle but he's also capable of taking some pressure off Jackson for a possession every now and then where he can play P&R and get a good shot himself. So as of right now there really isn't any incentive at all to trade him, especially when we are currently playing good basketball, which he has been a big part of.

Great scouting report. All are reasons I want him in a Hawks uni so badly!

I agree, all options should be considered but I just can't think of a scenario that would sway us to trade him unless it was for a star PF.

Interesting.

Just so happens we have a couple of veteran All Star PFs on our squad...

[DetroitPistons]

He is our best defender, best hustle player, and has consistently been clutch for us. Also, Jackson and KCP have no problem playing together whatsoever. KCP doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective offensively. He scores most of his points on catch and shoots, coming off screens, and hustle but he's also capable of taking some pressure off Jackson for a possession every now and then where he can play P&R and get a good shot himself. So as of right now there really isn't any incentive at all to trade him, especially when we are currently playing good basketball, which he has been a big part of.

Great scouting report. All are reasons I want him in a Hawks uni so badly!

I agree, all options should be considered but I just can't think of a scenario that would sway us to trade him unless it was for a star PF.

Interesting.

Just so happens we have a couple of veteran All Star PFs on our squad...

Haha I noticed as well. I'm guessing you saw the thread about Horford? The thing with Horford is that he is unrestricted so it would be a hell of a gamble for us to trade KCP for him now when he could walk at the end of the year. Also, if he indeed would be fine playing with us then it's smarter just to wait and sign him outright in the offseason.

[coordinator0]

Smart. Very smart. But I'd hope you guys would be open to a deal that could come along and make you guys a true contender.

I'd hold on tight to KCP as well. But if the goal is to bring home another title [for the 4th consecutive decade], all options should (hopefully) be on the table.

Remember, it was trading away Grant Hill for Ben Wallace that powered you guys to elite status.

Either way, can't wait for tonight's game. My Hawks are looking for some revenge after that opening night massacre.

Sure, but in that case a deal involving Caldwell-Pope would likely be bringing back a fairly big-name player. Kentavious is too important to the team (and is still developing, even though his defense is already great) to trade otherwise. Referencing Wallace for Hill isn't a great example here. Comparatively Caldwell-Pope would be Wallace in this case. Don't get your hackles up people, I'm not saying KCP is as good as Big Ben.

[Redeemed]

I'm not moving KCP. Seems like he has a lot of potential. If he doesn't ever hit that, he would still be a very good role player.

IMO it would be a huge mistake to part with Pope.

Smart. Very smart. But I'd hope you guys would be open to a deal that could come along and make you guys a true contender.

I'd hold on tight to KCP as well. But if the goal is to bring home another title [for the 4th consecutive decade], all options should (hopefully) be on the table.

Remember, it was trading away Grant Hill for Ben Wallace that powered you guys to elite status.




Either way, can't wait for tonight's game. My Hawks are looking for some revenge after that opening night massacre.

Good point on keeping our options opened. I vividly remember the GHill/Ben Wallace trade.

As for tonight's game, I'm hoping for another Pistons smackdown victory.

[Cowology]

KCP has definitely been playing better offensively the past few games, but he needs to sustain that. 5 games is a small sample size.

[hoophabit]

KCP has definitely been playing better offensively the past few games, but he needs to sustain that. 5 games is a small sample size.

Good for you Cow, rein these whippersnappers in over this irrational exuberance. Just a little while ago we had to either trade or bench him. Could be that way again if he doesn't sustain this production. Besides, I'm used to being in the minority praising his efforts.

[tmorgan]

Well, we certainly can't trade KCP for a PF right now -- it opens up a bigger hole than it closes.


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