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Tolliver is our Best Defender

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Re: Tolliver is our Best Defender 

Post#21 » by Todd3 » Sun Jan 3, 2016 11:47 pm

mattao313 wrote:I think Tolliver is a good defender and thats probably why he closes out games unlike Ersan. But he isn't our best defender imo cause he doesn't defend the best guy playing most of the time.

Defensive stats suck imo, Drummond has a 94 drtg and is top 3 in DRPM for C's. Drummond is nowhere near close to being that good on defense. At the end of the day for defense the eye test is the best.


drtg and drpm are team defense stats. Individual FG% defense is an individual stat.

You may see Drummond get scored on a few times here and there and think that makes him a bad defensive player, but you may not be noticing how he is affecting the other teams offense as a whole when he is in the game. That is what drtg and drpm is measuring. When the other team scores less with him in the game than w/o than he is going to have a good rating in those categories. Which is more important than individual defense. Drummond isn't Ben Wallace. His strength is offense pick & roll, o-reb putbacks, post scoring, (and better than Ben at all of them), but he is a good team defender still.
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Re: Tolliver is our Best Defender 

Post#22 » by El Chivo » Mon Jan 4, 2016 7:19 am

Drummond is a weak defender
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Re: Tolliver is our Best Defender 

Post#23 » by Redeemed » Mon Jan 4, 2016 2:54 pm

Drumond is a weak defender because of aptitude and focus. He is learning and has progressed well. That being said, he has the tools to be a great defender. As demonstrated in his steals against bigs and perimeter players. He shows flashes of real potential from time to time, but it just has not be consistent. Then there are times when he gets posted and honestly looks like he's not sure what he should be doing. Or times when he breaks away from his man on a gamble that fails. As for his improvement, he has stopped jumping at every fake, he instead plays conservative and puts his hands up. He has learned to close down the paint much better which he demonstrated at the start of the season when our defense was one of the best in the league.

Reggie is a terrible defender and I can't figure out why. It looks like he's just running next to his guy instead of actually trying to stop him. If I had to guess, I'd say he doesn't take it seriously when guys score on him. He just figures he'll bust his dude up on the other end. That crap has to stop. A guy with his wingspan, athleticism, quickness, and experience should be setting a better example on D.

Tolliver is pure grit. He's the type of intangibles player every great team has in its lineup. The guy dives on the floor. Goes after balls going out of bounds. He meets guys at the rim for blocks. He bodies bigs as much as he can with mixed results. He comes off the bench with energy and just plays hard.

Mook gets out there and manhandles guys with brute strength. I didn't like him before, but now having watched him with the Stones I love the kid. He's got heart...there's no quit in him.

KCP is the best we've got and one day Stanimal will contend for that title. KCP gets after it and aside for a few games this season, he normally keeps his man in check, makes his man inefficient, or shuts his man down. His quickness, length, and athleticism creates all sorts of headaches. Stanimal is a brute strength defender like Mook. Unfortunately, unlike Mook he's a rookie and is subject to rookie calls when he manhandles grown-butt men. Part of his problem is the lack of respect he gets from the refs, the other part is learning the scouting report and knowing his man. Take will come with time.
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Re: Tolliver is our Best Defender 

Post#24 » by pistontr » Tue Jan 5, 2016 1:19 pm

Sorry for my poor english

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