Whats holding Stanley Johnson Back?

[sc8581]

Sounds like a **** Shane Battier to me

[Cowology]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but who thinks Stanley will get a chance to start before the end of the season? And if he does, what does that do to our lineup?

I know several of you have been pining for it, but this is about what SVG will actually do. He's talked about shaking up the starting lineup. Coming into the season a lot of people where thinking he'd be starting by the All-Star break, but he got off to a considerably slower start than what people figured after some unrealistic expectations based on pre-season games.

Do we get the RJ/KCP/Stanley/Mook/Dre lineup this season? Do we keep Illy as the starter and move Mook the 2nd unit with Jennings? Or something else entirely?

[DBC10]

SJ has had a pretty terrible start, and that's not even an exaggeration. Starting him now would mean Stan is desperate to right the ship that's currently off course by relying heavily on a rookie to change our team's fortunes.

Too bad that bum Bullock couldn't play with some wanting him to start. I'd like to give Hilliard more minutes and see how he does.

My preference is Mook moving to the 2nd unit and see what we have with SJ to experiment. Mook in no shape or form would start on an actual contender since he is not a system player at all. He ISOs too much for my liking and often they're the worst shot in the game, the dreaded midrange post shots that all analtyics hate. He ain't Jordan so we should reduce his minutes despite the positive RPM he's been posting because that stat hasn't necessarily translated into quality wins.

[Blkbrd671]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but who thinks Stanley will get a chance to start before the end of the season? And if he does, what does that do to our lineup?

i think we will know more by the allstar break. What i found encouragin is that for a moment there SJ strung together some decent games. I think whats holding SJ back is consistency on a nightly basis, and you can see that when SJ looks lost, SVG pulls him quick and sometimes for the game. My best guess is that mook holds the SF position and defensively KCP will retain the SG postiion. What is encouraging is that "stringing along" solid performances is development in itself and ties with SJ's quick learning curve.

I know several of you have been pining for it, but this is about what SVG will actually do. He's talked about shaking up the starting lineup. Coming into the season a lot of people where thinking he'd be starting by the All-Star break, but he got off to a considerably slower start than what people figured after some unrealistic expectations based on pre-season games.

Do we get the RJ/KCP/Stanley/Mook/Dre lineup this season? Do we keep Illy as the starter and move Mook the 2nd unit with Jennings? Or something else entirely?

Its really hard to say. If i had to make a guess, i think KCP would be the one replaced in the starting lineup and i actually think it make us a better team based on this logic.

1.) SJ , without meeks, is shouldering a much bigger load than rookie realistically should. In the starting lineup he can focus on getting to his spots and making plays from there

2.) KCP is at his best when he's aggressive, or pissed off. However he too often gets lost behind RJ's ball dominance and becomes invisible offensively other than when the ball is moving. i think the more we force kcp to carry the offense the better player he'll become. i

3.) SJ plays off the ball and does the dirty work we need from him. i think at this point as a rookie, thats playing to his strengths. I also think Jennigns style of play mesh's better with KCP's love of getting in the open court. RJ looks for half court sets.

[zeebneeb]

Johnson needs to be on the floor a long time to start producing. He's not a come in and ball type of player. Also he's 19. Learning the game at the NBA level has to be difficult as hell and it would appear its going to take some time.

[Brapman]

I think SJ is going to be aided big time by two things:

1) Jennings return. Brandon plays at a breakneck pace, and Stanley loves to run and hustle and aggressively take it to the hole. Also, at that pace, Jennings ability to get Stanley the ball in rhythm will help his shooting, something he has improved a lot upon after the first tough month. Jumping from under 30% through November to about 35% on 3's since then. Jennings on the floor could see that percentage increase.

2) He's developing great chemistry with Baynes - some great two man action there. Stanley's showing as a fine interior passer. He's ridiculously skilled as a passer for a 19 year old kid.

Okay, three things. The game seems to have slowed down for him. He's playing better and his teammates around him are also playing better on the second unit.

[joedumars1]

What is really holding him back is his Johnson

[Brapman]

Ashamed to say I LOL'd...

[StunnaStan]

This team holds him back by playing kcp over him. What sj did in summer League and preseason, took kcp like 2-3 years too do. That shows that sj has potential. How do we treat the guy who lead the team in sl and ps, and was best player in training camp, we bench him. And its funny because I think over the last 7 games, kcp shooting somewhere between 27-36% overall yet he still has greenlight. The 3s he hit today just bought him 3 more weeks of stinking it up without repercussion. All his shots predictable too. 0-3 dribble pullup 3s or weak drives.

If we started sj for 5 games, he'd play alotttttt better. Detroit uses sj as a spot up shooter most the damn time. If thats what they wanted in the draft, they should've passed on him. Sj starting is the only way this team can improve. And getting a real pf wont hurt either.

[MrBigShot]

This team holds him back by playing kcp over him. What sj did in summer League and preseason, took kcp like 2-3 years too do. That shows that sj has potential. How do we treat the guy who lead the team in sl and ps, and was best player in training camp, we bench him. And its funny because I think over the last 7 games, kcp shooting somewhere between 27-36% overall yet he still has greenlight. The 3s he hit today just bought him 3 more weeks of stinking it up without repercussion. All his shots predictable too. 0-3 dribble pullup 3s or weak drives.

If we started sj for 5 games, he'd play alotttttt better. Detroit uses sj as a spot up shooter most the damn time. If thats what they wanted in the draft, they should've passed on him. Sj starting is the only way this team can improve. And getting a real pf wont hurt either.

Not true, KCP had an even better summer league last year. But regardless, it's summer league. You have to show it in an actual NBA game, and presently...KCP is just better than Stanley. He needs to earn his minutes and isn't ready to start yet.

[WeNeverLeftAZ]

Nice to see the double double. Huge balls on that three.

[Blkbrd671]

This team holds him back by playing kcp over him. What sj did in summer League and preseason, took kcp like 2-3 years too do. That shows that sj has potential. How do we treat the guy who lead the team in sl and ps, and was best player in training camp, we bench him. And its funny because I think over the last 7 games, kcp shooting somewhere between 27-36% overall yet he still has greenlight. The 3s he hit today just bought him 3 more weeks of stinking it up without repercussion. All his shots predictable too. 0-3 dribble pullup 3s or weak drives.

If we started sj for 5 games, he'd play alotttttt better. Detroit uses sj as a spot up shooter most the damn time. If thats what they wanted in the draft, they should've passed on him. Sj starting is the only way this team can improve. And getting a real pf wont hurt either.

Not true, KCP had an even better summer league last year. But regardless, it's summer league. You have to show it in an actual NBA game, and presently...KCP is just better than Stanley. He needs to earn his minutes and isn't ready to start yet.

Ya i don't understand how you can watch SJ and say he should start. He's not 100% in control all the time, still makes the occasional rookie mistake and is a worst shooter. Defensively his technique is really inconsistent. The only thing SJ does better right now is probably rebounding.

[mercury]

He's right on schedule.... his next progression should be less forced shots in the lane and reducing body contact defending the perimeter... he seems to be very intelligent. No reason to believe his game won't evolve this year.
Really looking forward to the rest of his rookie contract... just don't trade him for a middling vet.