Game 47: Detroit Pistons (25-21) vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (32-12) - 7:30 PM ET

[Todd3]

Hey man I think Ilyasova gets too much of a free pass around here. He's literally the only guy on the team we're asking to score and nothing else. We don't even expect him to defend and he's still inconsistent. But people love to whip on KCP when he's out there hustling and defending like crazy even when he's not scoring good.

KCP got owned by Irving tonight too. Wasn't just Ersan on defense. The whole team fouled too much too.

Name one player in the league that can guard irving? lets stop acting like anyone can do it. Also KCP rejected love and Bron Bron, and f* the refs .

KCP could have brought more offensively

I think you misread that exchange (or didn't read it all).

[DetroitSho]

KCP got owned by Irving tonight too. Wasn't just Ersan on defense. The whole team fouled too much too.

Ersan is a crap individual defender but usually a solid team defender and his 3 are important. When he's not making 3s he's a liability. Same can usually be said of KCP when he's not getting it done on defense (his offense was good tonight, but not usually). That's how it goes with 1 way players.

I think Ersan gets a lot of flack for his pump fakes especially, but if not as much as KCP maybe because he plays 10 less mpg so his bad games aren't as detrimental/noticeable.

Have you been paying attention to KCP lately? He's getting it done on both ends of the court on a nightly basis. Miss me with the "one way player" line. And yep, Irving got the best of KCP. He's only a top 5-7 one on one offensive player in the league. No shame in the that, considering he shouldn't even have to guard him if you had a PG that competed defensively.

And very convenient that Stan has no problem putting Jackson on starting SGs to hide him but when it's time to run out the 2 pg lineup against teams either running their own 2 pg lineup or lineups with average SGs he'd be able to guard (Foyes and E'twaun Moores of the world) now we gotta be so concerned defensively.

KCP has been ok lately on offense, but you can't just play both ends for a few weeks to be a 2 way player. Overall on the season, both have been more 1 way players than 2way.

Ersan was guarding a good player tonight too, so if you're giving KCP a pass for quality of opponent, you have to the same for him. To me neither got it done on defense tonight, no one on the team did, but I'm more apt to credit CLE for just better offense than blame our guys. Effort was there. They were just better tonight.

There's no way to justify calling a guy that gives you 15 ppg while scoring them in a variety of different ways with elite perimeter defense as a 1 way player. I honestly get the feeling that all he would have to do is increase his 3pt % by 6 points, AND DO NOTHING ELSE, and you'd tab him as consistent offensively.

[DBC10]

https://streamable.com/qqt2

This is easily the play of the night. The Palace erupted when this happened on the King.

I'm hoping KCP makes All defensive 1st team this year, or at least the 2nd.

[russkopp]

Watching the replay. Jennings looks exactly like Steve Blake. Pushes the pace and over dribbles hoping the D breaks down. Blake has been better from 3 strangely.

If someone wants Jennings, and it helps without hurting the future. Move him.

[Todd3]

Have you been paying attention to KCP lately? He's getting it done on both ends of the court on a nightly basis. Miss me with the "one way player" line. And yep, Irving got the best of KCP. He's only a top 5-7 one on one offensive player in the league. No shame in the that, considering he shouldn't even have to guard him if you had a PG that competed defensively.

And very convenient that Stan has no problem putting Jackson on starting SGs to hide him but when it's time to run out the 2 pg lineup against teams either running their own 2 pg lineup or lineups with average SGs he'd be able to guard (Foyes and E'twaun Moores of the world) now we gotta be so concerned defensively.

KCP has been ok lately on offense, but you can't just play both ends for a few weeks to be a 2 way player. Overall on the season, both have been more 1 way players than 2way.

Ersan was guarding a good player tonight too, so if you're giving KCP a pass for quality of opponent, you have to the same for him. To me neither got it done on defense tonight, no one on the team did, but I'm more apt to credit CLE for just better offense than blame our guys. Effort was there. They were just better tonight.

There's no way to justify calling a guy that gives you 15 ppg while scoring them in a variety of different ways with elite perimeter defense as a 1 way player. I honestly get the feeling that all he would have to do is increase his 3pt % by 6 points, AND DO NOTHING ELSE, and you'd tab him as consistent offensively.

Any average player can score 15 ppg if you give them enough shots. Of course efficiency matters. There's no way to justify calling his first 2 months of the season good offense. It wasn't and it doesn't take away from how he's playing now to acknowledge it wasn't, so stop with the BS.

This was not good offense:

14 pts
13 FGA @ 40%
5 3FGA @ 30%
50% TS

That was his production/efficiency from Oct-Dec. His rankings among starting SGs during that span:

25th in FG%
22nd in 3FG%
24th in TS%

That wasn't a 2 way player. That was bad offense + great defense = 1 way player.

Now here are his rankings in Jan:

3rd in FG%
12th in 3FG%
8th in TS%

THAT is a 2 way player. But 2 months of 1 way play + 1 month of 2 way play =/= 2 way player on the season.

[pistontr]

drummond would destroyed thompson but instead of that svg dave the ball jackson's hand.

[DetroitSho]

KCP has been ok lately on offense, but you can't just play both ends for a few weeks to be a 2 way player. Overall on the season, both have been more 1 way players than 2way.

Ersan was guarding a good player tonight too, so if you're giving KCP a pass for quality of opponent, you have to the same for him. To me neither got it done on defense tonight, no one on the team did, but I'm more apt to credit CLE for just better offense than blame our guys. Effort was there. They were just better tonight.

There's no way to justify calling a guy that gives you 15 ppg while scoring them in a variety of different ways with elite perimeter defense as a 1 way player. I honestly get the feeling that all he would have to do is increase his 3pt % by 6 points, AND DO NOTHING ELSE, and you'd tab him as consistent offensively.

Any average player can score 15 ppg if you give them enough shots. Of course efficiency matters. There's no way to justify calling his first 2 months of the season good offense. It wasn't and it doesn't take away from how he's playing now to acknowledge it wasn't, so stop with the BS.

This was not good offense:

14 pts
13 FGA @ 40%
5 3FGA @ 30%
50% TS

That was his production/efficiency from Oct-Dec. His rankings among starting SGs during that span:

25th in FG%
22nd in 3FG%
24th in TS%

That wasn't a 2 way player. That was bad offense + great defense = 1 way player.

Now here are his rankings in Jan:

3rd in FG%
12th in 3FG%
8th in TS%

THAT is a 2 way player. But 2 months of 1 way play + 1 month of 2 way play =/= 2 way player on the season.

And yet, if he was giving us 7.2 ppg on 40.6% from the floor, you'd think he was consistent offensively. Weird.