mattao313 wrote:Ryan Anderson at 15-16 mil isn't that bad
Huh??? I'm not even sure I'm happy throwing Drummond max money...
only reason im alright with drummond being maxed is it shows we're 100% behind him as our franchise player, along with reggie. should be a confidence booster. other than that, i wish we didnt need to because he still has a ways to go to be the superstar we need.
and im on the horford maybe batum train with ryan anderson being our third option. imo, anderson is just us settling.
we need to try to use our cap by trades or signing a few guys before re-signing andre. if we mess this up, we're stuck where we're at.
As far as bringing back ilyasova, im all for it unless an obvious upgrade is available. Ilyasova honestly has impressed me the most out of everyone on the current roster this season but that has never changed my stance of wanting ilyasova with our second unit. It would be nice though to have a big who can make competent post moves unlike dumb drummond
Todd3 wrote:I don't understand the Anderson rumor. He is more talented than Ersan offensively, but offense/shooting isn't the problem at that position. In fact it's our best shooting position, combined with Tolliver. Our weaknesses are defense at PF, shooting at SG/SF, and lack of ball movement overall as a team. How does Anderson address any of those needs? And if we spend all of our money on him, how our we supposed to address our real needs this summer?
I just don't get how he makes us that much better when we would still have the same issue elsewhere. It would be like trading KCP for Tony Allen. Allen might be a little better defensively, but defense at SG isn't one of our issues so it would be a useless trade.
I'd rather go for Pau or Horford, and if neither will sign here, use that money to address shooting at the 2/3 spots and wait to upgrade PF til the following year.
Pugz wrote:
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jakebernat wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Ryan Anderson at 15-16 mil isn't that bad
Huh??? I'm not even sure I'm happy throwing Drummond max money...
only reason im alright with drummond being maxed is it shows we're 100% behind him as our franchise player, along with reggie. should be a confidence booster. other than that, i wish we didnt need to because he still has a ways to go to be the superstar we need.
and im on the horford maybe batum train with ryan anderson being our third option. imo, anderson is just us settling.
we need to try to use our cap by trades or signing a few guys before re-signing andre. if we mess this up, we're stuck where we're at.
^ I fell like the highlighted portions of these two posts are kinda similar, so that why I quoted them together. I also think the answer to both is the same — I'm sorry, Todd and Pugz, but IMHO you're missing / overlooking our team's greatest opportunity for REAL, SUBSTANTIAL improvement, which is internal growth. Todd, the issues you wrote about at SG and SF could and hopefully will be addressed by continued growth from KCP (who's about to turn 23) and Stanley (who's 19). Pugz, the only way "we're stuck where we're at" is if, again, KCP (about to turn 23), Stanley (19) and Dre (22) have all reached their peak, and I think that's a ludicrous statement considering their respective ages. Hell, there's even a solid argument to be made that both Reggie (25) and Mook (26) haven't reached their peaks yet, especially considering this is really both of their first season as a full-time starter. Bottom line, we won 30 game last year; if we finish at exactly .500 this season, that's an 11 game improvement, which is huge. If we remain around 41-41 for a couple of years beyond this one, I'll absolutely conceded we're caught on the dreaded "treadmill" and are "stuck where we're at," but right now, with so many young players, our arrow is pointing up.
And that, BTW, is why I think there's so much focus on upgrading our PF spot (and I know I've been one of the posters pulling that bandwagon!) — because it's our one position where there's no potential LONG-TERM solution on the roster. Illy and Tolliver HAVE peaked and ARE what they are. I think the conversation would change if we even just threw a flyer at a young PF with unknown upside, someone like D-Mo, Terrence Jones, Myers Leonard, etc., because then there'd at least be a CHANCE for internal development and improvement at that position. But right now, what we see from our current PFs is ALL we're ever gonna get.
Todd3 wrote:I don't understand the Anderson rumor. He is more talented than Ersan offensively, but offense/shooting isn't the problem at that position. In fact it's our best shooting position, combined with Tolliver. Our weaknesses are defense at PF, shooting at SG/SF, and lack of ball movement overall as a team. How does Anderson address any of those needs? And if we spend all of our money on him, how our we supposed to address our real needs this summer?
I just don't get how he makes us that much better when we would still have the same issue elsewhere. It would be like trading KCP for Tony Allen. Allen might be a little better defensively, but defense at SG isn't one of our issues so it would be a useless trade.
I'd rather go for Pau or Horford, and if neither will sign here, use that money to address shooting at the 2/3 spots and wait to upgrade PF til the following year.
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jakebernat wrote: Huh??? I'm not even sure I'm happy throwing Drummond max money...
only reason im alright with drummond being maxed is it shows we're 100% behind him as our franchise player, along with reggie. should be a confidence booster. other than that, i wish we didnt need to because he still has a ways to go to be the superstar we need.
and im on the horford maybe batum train with ryan anderson being our third option. imo, anderson is just us settling.
we need to try to use our cap by trades or signing a few guys before re-signing andre. if we mess this up, we're stuck where we're at.
^ I fell like the highlighted portions of these two posts are kinda similar, so that why I quoted them together. I also think the answer to both is the same — I'm sorry, Todd and Pugz, but IMHO you're missing / overlooking our team's greatest opportunity for REAL, SUBSTANTIAL improvement, which is internal growth. Todd, the issues you wrote about at SG and SF could and hopefully will be addressed by continued growth from KCP (who's about to turn 23) and Stanley (who's 19). Pugz, the only way "we're stuck where we're at" is if, again, KCP (about to turn 23), Stanley (19) and Dre (22) have all reached their peak, and I think that's a ludicrous statement considering their respective ages. Hell, there's even a solid argument to be made that both Reggie (25) and Mook (26) haven't reached their peaks yet, especially considering this is really both of their first season as a full-time starter. Bottom line, we won 30 game last year; if we finish at exactly .500 this season, that's an 11 game improvement, which is huge. If we remain around 41-41 for a couple of years beyond this one, I'll absolutely conceded we're caught on the dreaded "treadmill" and are "stuck where we're at," but right now, with so many young players, our arrow is pointing up.
I agree, but KCP has never been better than an average 3 pt shooter, so I'm not sure it's realistic to expect him to develop into an elite one ( which is what we really need around around Dre). The same goes for Morris who is an average career 3pt shooter. I think Stanley has the most potential from 3 of all of them, but I don't think he's going to be an elite shooter either.
So if these are the 3 that will be playing all of our minutes at 2/3 and they combine to be average at best shooters, that's just not enough around Dre imo.
I say take the one with the most talent/potential and upgrade the other 2 spots in the rotation with elite shooters. Combine that with an elite shooting PF like Anderson...now we're talking...but to me, just Anderson won't be enough with that trio of average shooters . My vote of the 3 goes to Stanimal at SF. Morris can be useful off the bench as a backup 4. But we'll need a better shooting backup 3 and starting 2. I just don't know how to fit KCP into that mix with only 96 min for both spots, and preferably 60 of them going to elite shooters and the other 36 from SJ.
yeah it's still early and we don't have to make these decisions asap, but we will need to know by summer if this current trio can shoot good enough or not, so we don't have the same problem again next year and waste a chance to address it in the offseason. We've been trying to address this shooting problem every summer and it would be nice to finally solve it if possible, instead of getting into the season and realizing nothings changed for the umpteenth time. I'm kinda tired of waiting on this perimeter shooting to get fixed. It's been since the summer of Datome that we have been trying to surround Dre with great shooters. So you'll have to excuse me if I have no more patience for this lol
drummond has developed leaps and bounds ahead of what i expected but hes still not a great defender and hes not a leader we need.
most of the posters here seem to think our players will be superstars and that's it. drummond doesnt have all the intangibles we need. kcp could be a vocal leader and defensive leader, but he cant shoot us into wins. sj is still extremely young but he hasnt blown me away and he doesnt seem to have the personality to be a vocal leader either.
If we dont go out and attempt to sign a star player, which im alright with.. i dont want another pushover(anderson) at $18M per. id rather sign role players who can come in and push our young guys. we do not have a guy who will do that right now.
