Satisfaction with the Pistons' progress this season?

[Todd3]

We were 21-33 (12 games under .500) this time last year, so to be at .500 this year is a big improvement.

[thesack12]

Collectively, pretty much as expected.

Individually, I expected or at least hoped for more from a lot of the players.

[Redeemed]

I'm encouraged by our improvement over last season, although I have gotten frustrated at times watching the team lose games due to lack of effort. I voted "a little less than I expected" mainly because we have the potential to be so much better right now.

[Navas]

Compared to where we were from 09 to 15, it's a lot better.


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[RSCD3_]

I mean if you think about it, we are about where we expected to be before the season. In yet a lot of us are disappointed because of how strong we looked at the beginning of the season.. kind of raised our expectations.

As long as we get a playoff spot i'll be satisfied, we need it bad.

At least we're not orlando, they were the epitome of sprinting all out to start a 400

[vic]

main reason i'm not satisfied is because I see younger coaches adjusting to the new game... Boston, GSW... even Milwaukee recently changed their lineup and is winning by playing less bigs, more wings...

http://www.brewhoop.com/2016/2/11/10973116/bucks-vs-wizards-final-score-khris-middleton-jabari-parker?_ga=1.56891818.1893167515.1397586273

I wish SVG would do the same

Those teams you mentioned have a lot more depth than we do. The last few years under Joe this team had very little to nothing on the wings, KCP was a rookie Joe's last year and otherwise we were throwing Josh Smith out at SF and Singler, who is now starting to look a little better in OKC as more of a small ball 4. Stan has helped develop KCP and brought in Morris and Johnson, but the injury to Meeks really hurt our wing depth and Jennings hasn't gotten to a point where we could try a Jennings-Jackson lineup for much time.

The Bucks can throw a variety of looks because they have Giannis / Jabari / Middleton / Mayo / MCW. The Celtics have Crowder / Smart / Bradley / Evan Turner and even Jerebko when they go really big. Stan is only in year 2, he had to clear out a lot of junk from Joe and wings are in scarce supply across the league right now.

That's exactly what I'm saying, other teams are finding success playing 3s as 4s. We are playing a 4 as a 3. Switching MM to the 4 would help out a lot. Teams are winning with 4s that can handle, pass, make plays, and defend. Stretch 4s that can't do all that don't work anymore

[joedumars1]

main reason i'm not satisfied is because I see younger coaches adjusting to the new game... Boston, GSW... even Milwaukee recently changed their lineup and is winning by playing less bigs, more wings...

http://www.brewhoop.com/2016/2/11/10973116/bucks-vs-wizards-final-score-khris-middleton-jabari-parker?_ga=1.56891818.1893167515.1397586273

I wish SVG would do the same

Those teams you mentioned have a lot more depth than we do. The last few years under Joe this team had very little to nothing on the wings, KCP was a rookie Joe's last year and otherwise we were throwing Josh Smith out at SF and Singler, who is now starting to look a little better in OKC as more of a small ball 4. Stan has helped develop KCP and brought in Morris and Johnson, but the injury to Meeks really hurt our wing depth and Jennings hasn't gotten to a point where we could try a Jennings-Jackson lineup for much time.

The Bucks can throw a variety of looks because they have Giannis / Jabari / Middleton / Mayo / MCW. The Celtics have Crowder / Smart / Bradley / Evan Turner and even Jerebko when they go really big. Stan is only in year 2, he had to clear out a lot of junk from Joe and wings are in scarce supply across the league right now.

That's exactly what I'm saying, other teams are finding success playing 3s as 4s. We are playing a 4 as a 3. Switching MM to the 4 would help out a lot. Teams are winning with 4s that can handle, pass, make plays, and defend. Stretch 4s that can't do all that don't work anymore

i hope he's just waiting until this all star break is over and does that. They'll start tearing up the league lol. Mook would be a sweet defender against ppl who can stretch the floor imo. I still believe sj would be able to play the 4 a little too. He's tough has a nose for boards

[Todd3]

main reason i'm not satisfied is because I see younger coaches adjusting to the new game... Boston, GSW... even Milwaukee recently changed their lineup and is winning by playing less bigs, more wings...

http://www.brewhoop.com/2016/2/11/10973116/bucks-vs-wizards-final-score-khris-middleton-jabari-parker?_ga=1.56891818.1893167515.1397586273

I wish SVG would do the same

Those teams you mentioned have a lot more depth than we do. The last few years under Joe this team had very little to nothing on the wings, KCP was a rookie Joe's last year and otherwise we were throwing Josh Smith out at SF and Singler, who is now starting to look a little better in OKC as more of a small ball 4. Stan has helped develop KCP and brought in Morris and Johnson, but the injury to Meeks really hurt our wing depth and Jennings hasn't gotten to a point where we could try a Jennings-Jackson lineup for much time.

The Bucks can throw a variety of looks because they have Giannis / Jabari / Middleton / Mayo / MCW. The Celtics have Crowder / Smart / Bradley / Evan Turner and even Jerebko when they go really big. Stan is only in year 2, he had to clear out a lot of junk from Joe and wings are in scarce supply across the league right now.

That's exactly what I'm saying, other teams are finding success playing 3s as 4s. We are playing a 4 as a 3. Switching MM to the 4 would help out a lot. Teams are winning with 4s that can handle, pass, make plays, and defend. Stretch 4s that can't do all that don't work anymore

If Marcus could get his 3pt % closer to his career 36%, he could be a poor mans Draymond.

[joedumars1]

Those teams you mentioned have a lot more depth than we do. The last few years under Joe this team had very little to nothing on the wings, KCP was a rookie Joe's last year and otherwise we were throwing Josh Smith out at SF and Singler, who is now starting to look a little better in OKC as more of a small ball 4. Stan has helped develop KCP and brought in Morris and Johnson, but the injury to Meeks really hurt our wing depth and Jennings hasn't gotten to a point where we could try a Jennings-Jackson lineup for much time.

The Bucks can throw a variety of looks because they have Giannis / Jabari / Middleton / Mayo / MCW. The Celtics have Crowder / Smart / Bradley / Evan Turner and even Jerebko when they go really big. Stan is only in year 2, he had to clear out a lot of junk from Joe and wings are in scarce supply across the league right now.

That's exactly what I'm saying, other teams are finding success playing 3s as 4s. We are playing a 4 as a 3. Switching MM to the 4 would help out a lot. Teams are winning with 4s that can handle, pass, make plays, and defend. Stretch 4s that can't do all that don't work anymore

If Marcus could get his 3pt % closer to his career 36%, he could be a poor mans Draymond.

Thats actually my thoughts too. I know he has the toughness. That's what I love about him the most. That silky smooth mid range game is nice too. The fadeaway reminds me of Sheed.

Off topic: I know you're a # guy Todd do you watch the games? Just wondering, not much judging lol

[Todd3]

That's exactly what I'm saying, other teams are finding success playing 3s as 4s. We are playing a 4 as a 3. Switching MM to the 4 would help out a lot. Teams are winning with 4s that can handle, pass, make plays, and defend. Stretch 4s that can't do all that don't work anymore

If Marcus could get his 3pt % closer to his career 36%, he could be a poor mans Draymond.

Thats actually my thoughts too. I know he has the toughness. That's what I love about him the most. That silky smooth mid range game is nice too. The fadeaway reminds me of Sheed.

Off topic: I know you're a # guy Todd do you watch the games? Just wondering, not much judging lol

I don't think I've missed a Pistons game since the Carlisle era. Why?

I'm not a #'s guy. I played football & bball growing up. Stats are useful tools though.

[joedumars1]

If Marcus could get his 3pt % closer to his career 36%, he could be a poor mans Draymond.

Thats actually my thoughts too. I know he has the toughness. That's what I love about him the most. That silky smooth mid range game is nice too. The fadeaway reminds me of Sheed.

Off topic: I know you're a # guy Todd do you watch the games? Just wondering, not much judging lol

I don't think I've missed a Pistons game since the Carlisle era. Why?

I'm not a #'s guy. I played football & bball growing up. Stats are useful tools though.

Like I said not judging. You just bring up #s a lot just wondered

[Manocad]

About what I expected record wise; I was thinking 42-40 or so and a #7-8 seed so that's how I answered the poll. However my real answer is a little better than expected in some ways (being able to give GS the toughest game they've played all year) and a little worse than expected (the losses to bad teams in which the effort was deplorable).

[DBC10]

Honestly, we could've been near .500 or even at it had we somehow had a magical do-over after Josh Smith led us to that 5-23 start.

We were playing some of our best ball during our Cinderella run.

[SAKURABA216]

For some reason I expected this team to be around the 4-6 range in the east, but the reality is that there isn't a whole lot of talent on this team. We have like 3 nice players, 2 starters that would come off the bench on any other team, and a horrible 2nd unit. When our role players play out of their minds we can beat almost any team, but when they come back down to earth we are just a middle of the road team. We have lousy defense, a couple of shoot first point guards, and are very young. We are about 2-3 impact players away from being true contenders. Until then we are just food for the 2nd tier and elite teams.

I can't believe we are worse than teams like Denver, Boston, or Toronto. I mean, how are these teams really that much better than we are?


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[Todd3]

For some reason I expected this team to be around the 4-6 range in the east, but the reality is that there isn't a whole lot of talent on this team. We have like 3 nice players, 2 starters that would come off the bench on any other team, and a horrible 2nd unit. When our role players play out of their minds we can beat almost any team, but when they come back down to earth we are just a middle of the road team. We have lousy defense, a couple of shoot first point guards, and are very young. We are about 2-3 impact players away from being true contenders. Until then we are just food for the 2nd tier and elite teams.

I can't believe we are worse than teams like Denver, Boston, or Toronto. I mean, how are these teams really that much better than we are?


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Nuggets are 22-32. How are they better than us?

We've been even with the Celtics all year, except the last few games (they won 4 of last 5, we won 1 of last 5) so now they have a 4.5 gm lead. I don't think they're much better than us, if at all (2-2 vs them this season).


Toronto just has more overall talent and experience, so they should be better. All-Star backcourt with playoff experience vs our All-Star caliber duo at C/PG starting their first real season, adv TOR, and they have much better role players too. Most importantly though, their role players fit and ours don't really compliment our stars.

[tmorgan]

The only things that matter from this season:

1) Playoff experience, or at least "almost playoffs" stretch run experience
2) SJ taking a step towards stardom -- looking good
3) Dre growing up -- not looking as good
4) Dre getting better -- looking good
5) Getting a deeper team with more average+ players -- looking good
6) Finding more cornerstones -- I believe in SJ, so looking good

Things could be better, but I'm seeing progress. I am worried about our franchise center a little, but you can't deny the work he's put in on offense and the real improvement in his post game. I worry about Reggie's defense and 1st-3rd quarters. I worry about KCP's streaky shooting. Overall, though, it's been about what I expected, and that's how I voted.

[Cowology]

I am extremely satisfied with our progress over last season and are pretty much where I expected to be. I am however a little disappointed in our in-season progress. Not going to overreact to that though - we are very young with a lot of new pieces.

[jars]

About what I expected.

Stan managed to nab a couple of guys and develop some others to play the type of basketball he want. We have made huge strides on court while still making mistakes. Next year should be another solid step and hopefully seriously competing the year after (or earlier) if all goes to plan but that depends on role player signings and the development of our youth.

We are probably playing better than I expected considering the strength of the East this year.