Will they be Pistons next season?

[tmorgan]

If we stretch released Meeks it would spread his final year out over three years right? Since we'll be capped out once we extend Dre anyways, maybe it would be smart to stretch Meeks and give us $4M more to spend this off-season, giving us $16M to play with instead of $12M.

I doubt we stretch a guy we'd actually like to play if he were ever healthy. There's still a role for Meeks on this team, because Bullock isn't a sure thing and Stanley may end up starting at the 3. If that's the case, with Mook as the backup 3/4, we'll need someone to play behind KCP at the 2. That may be 2/3 Bullock, certainly, but it's hardly set in stone. If we can't trade him for nothing (meaning, we won't give up assets to move him), he'll probably be on the roster, trying to fill the same role he's failed to the last two years. Sad but true. Dude CAN score.

[BadMofoPimp]

you guys are listening, but your not hearing me. yes he had a good game, against a team he use to play for, and knows their system well. i would never take one game and use it as a judgement as to whether or not a player should go or stay. and besides if baynes does have "value", then it would be easier to move meeks with, who has none. first lets get some things to agree on:
1. is meek a core player?
2. is baynes a core player?

1. No
2. Yes

By Core, I mean we NEED a quality Backup at every position. I have watched Stan for over 8 years now since his time in Miami as I spend time in South Florida as well. He will NOT move Baynes. Center position is now locked. Now, we need quality backup PF and PG so we can develop these players over the next year or 2 and see if the roster needs any more tweaking or moves ala Sheed style!

i know stan is not going to move him, but he should. the way i see it we need three quality bench player that mix in well, we have one and a half. one in stanley who will eventually play himself into the starting role and a half on baynes because he cant play next to drummond. we need a person that is going to come in and play back point and maybe some two, we need a long wing that can shot the 3 a Chris Middleton or Demare carrol type, and we need a legit PF/C. which baynes is not, he's a legit C, he isnt going to get much time at the 4, esspecially next to dre, because he cant move his feet on the perimeter.

I agree 100% with Stan as he is one of the best in the NBA and has a plan. Once you have a position locked down Starter/Backup, you don't mess with it. Then, you concentrate on the next position of need. Because, Pistons are not getting better than Baynes unless they pay alot more money.

[DET_Athletics]

1. No
2. Yes

By Core, I mean we NEED a quality Backup at every position. I have watched Stan for over 8 years now since his time in Miami as I spend time in South Florida as well. He will NOT move Baynes. Center position is now locked. Now, we need quality backup PF and PG so we can develop these players over the next year or 2 and see if the roster needs any more tweaking or moves ala Sheed style!

i know stan is not going to move him, but he should. the way i see it we need three quality bench player that mix in well, we have one and a half. one in stanley who will eventually play himself into the starting role and a half on baynes because he cant play next to drummond. we need a person that is going to come in and play back point and maybe some two, we need a long wing that can shot the 3 a Chris Middleton or Demare carrol type, and we need a legit PF/C. which baynes is not, he's a legit C, he isnt going to get much time at the 4, esspecially next to dre, because he cant move his feet on the perimeter.

I agree 100% with Stan as he is one of the best in the NBA and has a plan. Once you have a position locked down Starter/Backup, you don't mess with it. Then, you concentrate on the next position of need. Because, Pistons are not getting better than Baynes unless they pay alot more money.

i think i found the problem, i am not saying move baynes to get a better backup center, i am saying move baynes to get a core, young, starter quality player, who isnt a small forward, because we have to many as it is. meaning a PG, SG or stretch PF who can play center as well. i am saying give up a good bench player at a shot for a six-man boarder line starter. and that maybe the point we disagree at, im a believer of always give yourself a shot, and i dont think that the cost is too high for baynes, but its ok if we disagree on that.

[BadMofoPimp]

i know stan is not going to move him, but he should. the way i see it we need three quality bench player that mix in well, we have one and a half. one in stanley who will eventually play himself into the starting role and a half on baynes because he cant play next to drummond. we need a person that is going to come in and play back point and maybe some two, we need a long wing that can shot the 3 a Chris Middleton or Demare carrol type, and we need a legit PF/C. which baynes is not, he's a legit C, he isnt going to get much time at the 4, esspecially next to dre, because he cant move his feet on the perimeter.

I agree 100% with Stan as he is one of the best in the NBA and has a plan. Once you have a position locked down Starter/Backup, you don't mess with it. Then, you concentrate on the next position of need. Because, Pistons are not getting better than Baynes unless they pay alot more money.

i think i found the problem, i am not saying move baynes to get a better backup center, i am saying move baynes to get a core, young, starter quality player, who isnt a small forward, because we have to many as it is. meaning a PG, SG or stretch PF who can play center as well. i am saying give up a good bench player at a shot for a six-man boarder line starter. and that maybe the point we disagree at, im a believer of always give yourself a shot, and i dont think that the cost is too high for baynes, but its ok if we disagree on that.

What starter are we replacing? Because, I see the future as:

RJ
KCP
Stanley
Harris
Drummond

SVG is going to let this core play together as starters for the next 1-2 years before he thinks of tweaking that. I think that he will only make changes if there is an offer he can't refuse.

There is no use throwing money around then having no bench just because we had to overpay for another starter. Because, there are 20-25 teams out there this summer with enough money to spend on a Max free agent. Thus, everyone is going to be in a bidding war.

There is no need for this team to get caught up in that. It is best this summer to play it smart and sign quality backups to our current starters and marinate for a year and wait for great deals to happen instead of forcing them.

[Ozpistons]

Baynes took some time to find his feet, but since then the dude has produced. he is averaging somewhere around 6ppg and 5rpg in only about 14-15 mins a game which is ok for a back up. His contract isn't going to look too bad next season and I doubt we could get any better option for cheaper.

[DET_Athletics]

I agree 100% with Stan as he is one of the best in the NBA and has a plan. Once you have a position locked down Starter/Backup, you don't mess with it. Then, you concentrate on the next position of need. Because, Pistons are not getting better than Baynes unless they pay alot more money.

i think i found the problem, i am not saying move baynes to get a better backup center, i am saying move baynes to get a core, young, starter quality player, who isnt a small forward, because we have to many as it is. meaning a PG, SG or stretch PF who can play center as well. i am saying give up a good bench player at a shot for a six-man boarder line starter. and that maybe the point we disagree at, im a believer of always give yourself a shot, and i dont think that the cost is too high for baynes, but its ok if we disagree on that.

What starter are we replacing? Because, I see the future as:

RJ
KCP
Stanley
Harris
Drummond

SVG is going to let this core play together as starters for the next 1-2 years before he thinks of tweaking that. I think that he will only make changes if there is an offer he can't refuse.

There is no use throwing money around then having no bench just because we had to overpay for another starter. Because, there are 20-25 teams out there this summer with enough money to spend on a Max free agent. Thus, everyone is going to be in a bidding war.

There is no need for this team to get caught up in that. It is best this summer to play it smart and sign quality backups to our current starters and marinate for a year and wait for great deals to happen instead of forcing them.

that is the future, but they need to earn it, it would be worth the money to invest in another wing. my choices would be chandler parsons or Nicholas Batum. both can play 2-4, and a good defenders and decent scores, with chandler being the better one. i think those are the two free agents we have a decent shot at, both teams are doing worse with us, and dont have the same future. a true shooting guard would be better but there really isnt one that will be available.


RJ / cheap free agent
KCP / Parsons or Batum/ hillard
Stanley / morris
Harris /morris/*Draft pick
Drummond /*Draft pick

*draft pick = same person

that would be my vision.

[BadMofoPimp]

i think i found the problem, i am not saying move baynes to get a better backup center, i am saying move baynes to get a core, young, starter quality player, who isnt a small forward, because we have to many as it is. meaning a PG, SG or stretch PF who can play center as well. i am saying give up a good bench player at a shot for a six-man boarder line starter. and that maybe the point we disagree at, im a believer of always give yourself a shot, and i dont think that the cost is too high for baynes, but its ok if we disagree on that.

What starter are we replacing? Because, I see the future as:

RJ
KCP
Stanley
Harris
Drummond

SVG is going to let this core play together as starters for the next 1-2 years before he thinks of tweaking that. I think that he will only make changes if there is an offer he can't refuse.

There is no use throwing money around then having no bench just because we had to overpay for another starter. Because, there are 20-25 teams out there this summer with enough money to spend on a Max free agent. Thus, everyone is going to be in a bidding war.

There is no need for this team to get caught up in that. It is best this summer to play it smart and sign quality backups to our current starters and marinate for a year and wait for great deals to happen instead of forcing them.

that is the future, but they need to earn it, it would be worth the money to invest in another wing. my choices would be chandler parsons or Nicholas Batum. both can play 2-4, and a good defenders and decent scores, with chandler being the better one. i think those are the two free agents we have a decent shot at, both teams are doing worse with us, and dont have the same future. a true shooting guard would be better but there really isnt one that will be available.


RJ / cheap free agent
KCP / Parsons or Batum/ hillard
Stanley / morris
Harris /morris/*Draft pick
Drummond /*Draft pick

*draft pick = same person

that would be my vision.

Parsons made $16 mil this year. He ain't opting out of his contract for less money because there are plenty of teams offering him more. So, no chance there.

I like Batum as well. He may command $15 mil, but then Pistons lose Tolliver and end up with bottom of the barrel minimum salary Vet to backup PF and PG just so we can only have (2) starting caliber SG's plus Stanley?

Not going to happen.

[DET_Athletics]

What starter are we replacing? Because, I see the future as:

RJ
KCP
Stanley
Harris
Drummond

SVG is going to let this core play together as starters for the next 1-2 years before he thinks of tweaking that. I think that he will only make changes if there is an offer he can't refuse.

There is no use throwing money around then having no bench just because we had to overpay for another starter. Because, there are 20-25 teams out there this summer with enough money to spend on a Max free agent. Thus, everyone is going to be in a bidding war.

There is no need for this team to get caught up in that. It is best this summer to play it smart and sign quality backups to our current starters and marinate for a year and wait for great deals to happen instead of forcing them.

that is the future, but they need to earn it, it would be worth the money to invest in another wing. my choices would be chandler parsons or Nicholas Batum. both can play 2-4, and a good defenders and decent scores, with chandler being the better one. i think those are the two free agents we have a decent shot at, both teams are doing worse with us, and dont have the same future. a true shooting guard would be better but there really isnt one that will be available.


RJ / cheap free agent
KCP / Parsons or Batum/ hillard
Stanley / morris
Harris /morris/*Draft pick
Drummond /*Draft pick

*draft pick = same person

that would be my vision.

Parsons made $16 mil this year. He ain't opting out of his contract for less money because there are plenty of teams offering him more. So, no chance there.

I like Batum as well. He may command $15 mil, but then Pistons lose Tolliver and end up with bottom of the barrel minimum salary Vet to backup PF and PG just so we can only have (2) starting caliber SG's plus Stanley?

Not going to happen.

ummm we have tolllivers bird rights? we can go over the cap to keep him? i think we have about 10-15 million in cap space if we dont move them. i think i have made my points, our system is point guard friendly, every point guard that has played in it has looked good, except Blake because hes old. finding another quality wing in the rotation will be harder to find then a PG come free agency.

[BadMofoPimp]

that is the future, but they need to earn it, it would be worth the money to invest in another wing. my choices would be chandler parsons or Nicholas Batum. both can play 2-4, and a good defenders and decent scores, with chandler being the better one. i think those are the two free agents we have a decent shot at, both teams are doing worse with us, and dont have the same future. a true shooting guard would be better but there really isnt one that will be available.


RJ / cheap free agent
KCP / Parsons or Batum/ hillard
Stanley / morris
Harris /morris/*Draft pick
Drummond /*Draft pick

*draft pick = same person

that would be my vision.

Parsons made $16 mil this year. He ain't opting out of his contract for less money because there are plenty of teams offering him more. So, no chance there.

I like Batum as well. He may command $15 mil, but then Pistons lose Tolliver and end up with bottom of the barrel minimum salary Vet to backup PF and PG just so we can only have (2) starting caliber SG's plus Stanley?

Not going to happen.

ummm we have tolllivers bird rights? we can go over the cap to keep him? i think we have about 10-15 million in cap space if we dont move them. i think i have made my points, our system is point guard friendly, every point guard that has played in it has looked good, except Blake because hes old. finding another quality wing in the rotation will be harder to find then a PG come free agency.

We have plenty of wings now. Need quality Backup PG and PF. Not just any vet minimum player is going to help.

[DET_Athletics]

Parsons made $16 mil this year. He ain't opting out of his contract for less money because there are plenty of teams offering him more. So, no chance there.

I like Batum as well. He may command $15 mil, but then Pistons lose Tolliver and end up with bottom of the barrel minimum salary Vet to backup PF and PG just so we can only have (2) starting caliber SG's plus Stanley?

Not going to happen.

ummm we have tolllivers bird rights? we can go over the cap to keep him? i think we have about 10-15 million in cap space if we dont move them. i think i have made my points, our system is point guard friendly, every point guard that has played in it has looked good, except Blake because hes old. finding another quality wing in the rotation will be harder to find then a PG come free agency.

We have plenty of wings now. Need quality Backup PG and PF. Not just any vet minimum player is going to help.

NVM

[BadMofoPimp]

ummm we have tolllivers bird rights? we can go over the cap to keep him? i think we have about 10-15 million in cap space if we dont move them. i think i have made my points, our system is point guard friendly, every point guard that has played in it has looked good, except Blake because hes old. finding another quality wing in the rotation will be harder to find then a PG come free agency.

We have plenty of wings now. Need quality Backup PG and PF. Not just any vet minimum player is going to help.

NVM

As we have witnessed, Stan hasn't attempted to outbid for Free Agents yet. He targets players he wants via trade. He targets backups in Free Agency.

Stan and Bowers will not get into any bidding wars for the Batums/Harris's in this Free Agency being 20 teams can now afford them. It will be a free for all.

This is why SVG did all his targeting this past 2 years before the salary cap craziness begins. He was smart. Thus, not a chance Batum/Chandler is even considered.

If you go visit all 30 other boards of RealGM, there are fans just like you wanting Batum/Parsons. That is 30 teams thinking they should target them. Stan is too smart for that.

[Arp590]

but then Pistons lose Tolliver and end up with bottom of the barrel minimum salary Vet to backup PF

Not going to happen.

Tolliver is a bottom of the barrel minimum salary vet.

[BadMofoPimp]

but then Pistons lose Tolliver and end up with bottom of the barrel minimum salary Vet to backup PF

Not going to happen.

Tolliver is a bottom of the barrel minimum salary vet.

And, he is one of the better Minimum salary vets around! Good luck finding another Tolliver this summer with teams overpaying for Backups with all the loot they now have.

People make this sound like Free Agency will be a piece of cake where Pistons can just target anyone like it is NBA2k17. I wouldn't be surprised if Stan makes no impact free agent signings but only makes a trade with our 1st round pick for a young big backup.

[Arp590]

Good luck finding another Tolliver this summer with teams overpaying for Backups with all the loot they now have.

I don't want another Tolliver... 38% FG%, doesn't do much of anything... shouldn't be too hard to find an improvement.

[BadMofoPimp]

Good luck finding another Tolliver this summer with teams overpaying for Backups with all the loot they now have.

I don't want another Tolliver... 38% FG%, doesn't do much of anything... shouldn't be too hard to find an improvement.

Beggars can't be choosers while most minimum vets are worse.

[DET_Athletics]

We have plenty of wings now. Need quality Backup PG and PF. Not just any vet minimum player is going to help.

NVM

As we have witnessed, Stan hasn't attempted to outbid for Free Agents yet. He targets players he wants via trade. He targets backups in Free Agency.

Stan and Bowers will not get into any bidding wars for the Batums/Harris's in this Free Agency being 20 teams can now afford them. It will be a free for all.

This is why SVG did all his targeting this past 2 years before the salary cap craziness begins. He was smart. Thus, not a chance Batum/Chandler is even considered.

If you go visit all 30 other boards of RealGM, there are fans just like you wanting Batum/Parsons. That is 30 teams thinking they should target them. Stan is too smart for that.

SVG did no brainer deals, all of them. Deals he would do again in a heart beat, he looked at the numbers, what he had to give and pulled the trigger, and hit on all of them. we agree on everything, except baynes worth. in my opinion he is not worth the chance to miss out on sitting down with the last true free agency we are going to have for the next four years, you think he is. you are entitled to your opinion, but i respectfully disagree, two time.

[BadMofoPimp]

NVM

As we have witnessed, Stan hasn't attempted to outbid for Free Agents yet. He targets players he wants via trade. He targets backups in Free Agency.

Stan and Bowers will not get into any bidding wars for the Batums/Harris's in this Free Agency being 20 teams can now afford them. It will be a free for all.

This is why SVG did all his targeting this past 2 years before the salary cap craziness begins. He was smart. Thus, not a chance Batum/Chandler is even considered.

If you go visit all 30 other boards of RealGM, there are fans just like you wanting Batum/Parsons. That is 30 teams thinking they should target them. Stan is too smart for that.

SVG did no brainer deals, all of them. Deals he would do again in a heart beat, he looked at the numbers, what he had to give and pulled the trigger, and hit on all of them. we agree on everything, except baynes worth. in my opinion he is not worth the chance to miss out on sitting down with the last true free agency we are going to have for the next four years, you think he is. you are entitled to your opinion, but i respectfully disagree, two time.

I disagree about Baynes.

It would be a disaster to give away Baynes only so we can get into a Bidding war with the largest amount of Teams with enough Cap room to target Max Free Agents in the History of the NBA. That would be suicide. I can't explain it any simpler than that. Stan would have to lose his mind to do that.