GAME 72: Pistons (37-34) VS thank you for giving us Harris (29-41)7:30EST

[joedumars1]

Let's see what happens. Remember after SJ first start at SG? People wanted him to start. Now them same people want to trade him. One good game does not a career make, he has looked good this year tho.

I remember KCP earlier in the year after he was chucking a lot started only shooting like 7 times a game for awhile. I'm not worried about KCP at all.

[Spider156]

Great quote from Hilliard about knowing how to play a role:

Hilliard often credits his four-year college coach, Jay Wright of Villanova, for teaching him to be a good teammate, and did so again after the occasion of his first NBA start.

"Coach Wright taught me the right way to play," he said. "If you play the right way and do the right things, guys are going to respect you and want to play with you. That's all I was trying to do. I wasn't trying to go out there and get 30 or nothing like that. I was trying to just stay in my lane and do what I had to do, play defense and get my shots when I had to."

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2016/03/darrun_hilliard_steady_in_firs.html#incart_river_index

Jay Wright is a Larry Brown disciple. Bullock learned how to play the right way at UNC. These guys know how to play smart, fundamental team basketball, and are the types you want as your role players. KCP too often thinks he's Curry with these crazy 3s that he can't make.

yeah I agree. He needs to chill out. At the same time, he's on a contract year and has the starting SG position solidified. I think SVG believes in him and wants him to develop the same way Johnson is developing. I mean if SVG really cared a lot about the present, he wouldn't have left Stanley in the game after his third turnover. He went ahead and made 2 more TOs before he was pulled out. SVG, in my opinion, has given his players the green light, balanced throughout the whole team. Every guy gets his shot but you have to stay within the system. Thing is development and the system don't go hand in hand. Ideally, KCP becomes a great scorer that can go off on you at any point in the game if you don't keep up with him. If he makes his shots consistently, he'd be in the Top 10 SG's and that's a weak position now in the NBA. I say that because the guy to me is actually amazing. But sometimes he's an idiot chucking shots left and right. In my opinion, he has developed every season since drafting him and I doubt it that he doesn't keep getting better. That shot sooner or later will become lethal if he keeps taking them. Not necessarily like Crawford or whatever. No not at all. But most definitely a guy you can't sag off on. As a playmaker, I don't think he'll get that much better. But I believe he can get his own shot much like Morris and Harris and the system will take care of the rest with ball movement and lobs to Andre. Out of all players I believe SJ is the key to our championship but people just don't know how good he is yet. I wouldn't be surprised if KCP later comes off the bench so SJ can start. Eventually though, one of Morris or KCP will have to come off the bench. SJ just has too much potential with his court vision and his mentality is of champions. There's beens success everywhere he's been. There's a reason SVG drafted him over Winslow.

[joedumars1]

Great quote from Hilliard about knowing how to play a role:

Hilliard often credits his four-year college coach, Jay Wright of Villanova, for teaching him to be a good teammate, and did so again after the occasion of his first NBA start.

"Coach Wright taught me the right way to play," he said. "If you play the right way and do the right things, guys are going to respect you and want to play with you. That's all I was trying to do. I wasn't trying to go out there and get 30 or nothing like that. I was trying to just stay in my lane and do what I had to do, play defense and get my shots when I had to."

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2016/03/darrun_hilliard_steady_in_firs.html#incart_river_index

Jay Wright is a Larry Brown disciple. Bullock learned how to play the right way at UNC. These guys know how to play smart, fundamental team basketball, and are the types you want as your role players. KCP too often thinks he's Curry with these crazy 3s that he can't make.

yeah I agree. He needs to chill out. At the same time, he's on a contract year and has the starting SG position solidified. I think SVG believes in him and wants him to develop the same way Johnson is developing. I mean if SVG really cared a lot about the present, he wouldn't have left Stanley in the game after his third turnover. He went ahead and made 2 more TOs before he was pulled out. SVG, in my opinion, has given his players the green light, balanced throughout the whole team. Every guy gets his shot but you have to stay within the system. Thing is development and the system don't go hand in hand. Ideally, KCP becomes a great scorer that can go off on you at any point in the game if you don't keep up with him. If he makes his shots consistently, he'd be in the Top 10 SG's and that's a weak position now in the NBA. I say that because the guy to me is actually amazing. But sometimes he's an idiot chucking shots left and right. In my opinion, he has developed every season since drafting him and I doubt it that he doesn't keep getting better. That shot sooner or later will become lethal if he keeps taking them. Not necessarily like Crawford or whatever. No not at all. But most definitely a guy you can't sag off on. As a playmaker, I don't think he'll get that much better. But I believe he can get his own shot much like Morris and Harris and the system will take care of the rest with ball movement and lobs to Andre. Out of all players I believe SJ is the key to our championship but people just don't know how good he is yet. I wouldn't be surprised if KCP later comes off the bench so SJ can start. Eventually though, one of Morris or KCP will have to come off the bench. SJ just has too much potential with his court vision and his mentality is of champions. There's beens success everywhere he's been. There's a reason SVG drafted him over Winslow.

KCP isn't on a contract year, Dre is

[detroitKG]

Back to players that actually played in this game lol

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cifYt37MmHQ[/youtube]

[Neptune]

KCP=Rich-man Tony Allen! He can shoot as much as he wants because his defense makes up for it.

[MotownMadness]

KCP=Rich-man Tony Allen! He can shoot as much as he wants because his defense makes up for it.

He's literally already shot the 3 ball this season as many times as Tony Allen has throughout his 12 year career. He's shooting way too much right now and needs to just have better shot selection if anything.

[Spider156]

KCP=Rich-man Tony Allen! He can shoot as much as he wants because his defense makes up for it.

He's literally already shot the 3 ball this season as many times as Tony Allen has throughout his 12 year career. He's shooting way too much right now and needs to just have better shot selection if anything.

I don't think his shot selection is that bad. He just needs to knock down the open shot automatically. It's the difference of a shooter and an NBA shooter. Can you make a shot deliberately if you take your time? For example Monroe can probably make his mid range shots consistently, but can he do it in the game? Can he execute it comfortably and most importantly consistently? No and that's the difference of an NBA shooter. I'm very sure KCP is a hot shooter in practice and everybody probably drops their jaw seeing how well he can shoot. Come gametime the only player that executes it when we need it the most is Jackson and that might be the difference of experience and age. But only time will tell. If by next season KCP doesn't improve in that category, he needs to take a seat back and watch Johnson do it because that kid isn't afraid of anything.

[MrBigShot]

KCP=Rich-man Tony Allen! He can shoot as much as he wants because his defense makes up for it.

He's literally already shot the 3 ball this season as many times as Tony Allen has throughout his 12 year career. He's shooting way too much right now and needs to just have better shot selection if anything.

I don't think his shot selection is that bad. He just needs to knock down the open shot automatically. It's the difference of a shooter and an NBA shooter. Can you make a shot deliberately if you take your time? For example Monroe can probably make his mid range shots consistently, but can he do it in the game? Can he execute it comfortably and most importantly consistently? No and that's the difference of an NBA shooter. I'm very sure KCP is a hot shooter in practice and everybody probably drops their jaw seeing how well he can shoot. Come gametime the only player that executes it when we need it the most is Jackson and that might be the difference of experience and age. But only time will tell. If by next season KCP doesn't improve in that category, he needs to take a seat back and watch Johnson do it because that kid isn't afraid of anything.

This 100x.

KCP 's goal this offseason should be to improve his three point shooting. Knock down open threes at a high rate (37%+) and suddenly he becomes a a solid, efficient two-way shooting guard with no glaring weaknesses.

He needs to knock down open shots, and to do so consistently night in and night out. If he can do that, being an all star is very much within reach. The other parts of his game are progressing and I think they will continue to. His ability to get to the lane, slash to the basket, handle the ball and be a playmaker at times have improved this season.

His shot selection could use some fine tuning but it isn't horrible. Presently he averages about 15ppg on 52.3 TS%, so he's not like Josh Smith or Toronto Rudy Gay level chucking shots they have absolutely no business taking. Slightly below average, but easily improvable. I don't think he's as bad a three point shooter as the 30% he's shot this season.

[Blkbrd671]

If only KCP had played last night we might not have gotten dominated by the other teams best scorer . Oh wait...

Sure didn't seem like we missed his defense to me. Oladipo was avg 23 ppg on 53% FG and 41% 3FG over his last 10, and only had 14 pts on 5-18 FG vs Hilliard. Actually was our best game defensively as a team since the 76ers on 2/24 too, allowing only 39% FG to ORL.

Darrun was also extremely efficient on offense, only needing 4 FGAs to get 11 pts, including 2-3 three's and 8 FTAs, along with 6 rebs and 3 assists.

If we are going with a role player at SG, that is the type we need, not a volume scorer who cant shoot. Very intrigued by Hilliard and Bullock as potential cheap alternatives at that spot.

1.) very clear that you did not watch the game from this comment. Magic guards missed a ton of open shots as those who watched the game know. Maybe next time combine stat watching with Social media in game post. Several analyst mention how Magic were missing open shots. Especially Dipo. In fact so were announcers......................

2.) As you continue to omit relevant facts, such as Elfred Payton's stat line of 20points, 10 Rebounds and 10 assist. but

Sure didn't seem like we missed his defense to me

more like you don't miss his defense. Pistons could have sure as hell used it on Payton.

[Blkbrd671]

KCP=Rich-man Tony Allen! He can shoot as much as he wants because his defense makes up for it.

He's literally already shot the 3 ball this season as many times as Tony Allen has throughout his 12 year career. He's shooting way too much right now and needs to just have better shot selection if anything.

I don't think his shot selection is that bad. He just needs to knock down the open shot automatically. It's the difference of a shooter and an NBA shooter. Can you make a shot deliberately if you take your time? For example Monroe can probably make his mid range shots consistently, but can he do it in the game? Can he execute it comfortably and most importantly consistently? No and that's the difference of an NBA shooter. I'm very sure KCP is a hot shooter in practice and everybody probably drops their jaw seeing how well he can shoot. Come gametime the only player that executes it when we need it the most is Jackson and that might be the difference of experience and age. But only time will tell. If by next season KCP doesn't improve in that category, he needs to take a seat back and watch Johnson do it because that kid isn't afraid of anything.

Exactly this, if KCP can just hit the open shots or the shots he should make, then he'll be fine. He misses far too many, and AS WE ALL KNOW is inconsistent as a 3rd year player.

Also i question this whole "KCP's shot selection". For the most part, KCP takes good shots, and the ones he doesn't is either a half court heave or putting up a shot because of the shot clock running down. He has had a couple questionable shots, but on average his shot selection is good.

RJ has a horrible shot selection and while some of it has to do with the clock winding down, for the most part, he's the one that dribbled for 12 seconds.

[DetroitSho]

He's literally already shot the 3 ball this season as many times as Tony Allen has throughout his 12 year career. He's shooting way too much right now and needs to just have better shot selection if anything.

I don't think his shot selection is that bad. He just needs to knock down the open shot automatically. It's the difference of a shooter and an NBA shooter. Can you make a shot deliberately if you take your time? For example Monroe can probably make his mid range shots consistently, but can he do it in the game? Can he execute it comfortably and most importantly consistently? No and that's the difference of an NBA shooter. I'm very sure KCP is a hot shooter in practice and everybody probably drops their jaw seeing how well he can shoot. Come gametime the only player that executes it when we need it the most is Jackson and that might be the difference of experience and age. But only time will tell. If by next season KCP doesn't improve in that category, he needs to take a seat back and watch Johnson do it because that kid isn't afraid of anything.

Exactly this, if KCP can just hit the open shots or the shots he should make, then he'll be fine. He misses far too many, and AS WE ALL KNOW is inconsistent as a 3rd year player.

Also i question this whole "KCP's shot selection". For the most part, KCP takes good shots, and the ones he doesn't is either a half court heave or putting up a shot because of the shot clock running down. He has had a couple questionable shots, but on average his shot selection is good.

RJ has a horrible shot selection and while some of it has to do with the clock winding down, for the most part, he's the one that dribbled for 12 seconds.

Great post and excellent analysis on Jackson. It goes widely unnoticed that Jackson has top 2 worst shot selection on the team. I can't tell whose is the worst, his or Stanley's.

[fekz]

If only KCP had played last night we might not have gotten dominated by the other teams best scorer . Oh wait...

Sure didn't seem like we missed his defense to me. Oladipo was avg 23 ppg on 53% FG and 41% 3FG over his last 10, and only had 14 pts on 5-18 FG vs Hilliard. Actually was our best game defensively as a team since the 76ers on 2/24 too, allowing only 39% FG to ORL.

Darrun was also extremely efficient on offense, only needing 4 FGAs to get 11 pts, including 2-3 three's and 8 FTAs, along with 6 rebs and 3 assists.

If we are going with a role player at SG, that is the type we need, not a volume scorer who cant shoot. Very intrigued by Hilliard and Bullock as potential cheap alternatives at that spot.

1.) very clear that you did not watch the game from this comment. Magic guards missed a ton of open shots as those who watched the game know. Maybe next time combine stat watching with Social media in game post. Several analyst mention how Magic were missing open shots. Especially Dipo. In fact so were announcers......................

2.) As you continue to omit relevant facts, such as Elfred Payton's stat line of 20points, 10 Rebounds and 10 assist. but

Sure didn't seem like we missed his defense to me

more like you don't miss his defense. Pistons could have sure as hell used it on Payton.

yo, that was the most empty triple double I've ever seen.

[Blkbrd671]

yo, that was the most empty triple double I've ever seen.

you obviously haven't seen MCW play

[Redeemed]

It was good to see Hillard get an opportunity and make the most of it. That seems to be a recurring theme of late (Bullock; Tolliver). I would absolutely love to see the defense get stingy and see the guys get back to holding teams below the century mark. Still, I'm loving the win streak coupled with the Bulls dropping back to back games against the Knicks.

With Bullock and KCP coming back and Drummond having a game winning tip and the huge game the other night, I really hope that translates into a dominating performance against a Hornets team we haven't been able to figure out.

#StriveForFive

[Redeemed]

yo, that was the most empty triple double I've ever seen.

you obviously haven't seen MCW play

Man it's crazy. People were killing the Sixers for getting rid of MCW, now the Sixers look like geniuses. The guy's shot is not only broken, he makes decisions/mistakes like he has trouble focusing. Do you see the Bucks continuing their efforts in developing him? Or do they try to dump him? It appears they've moved on by giving Giannis the pg responsibilities AND Tyler Ennis looks capable and steady handed.

Would you make a play for MCW as a backup for Reggie? SVG could probably develop him. He's got size and quickness to improve our defense. What are your thoughts on MCW as an upgrade at backup pg?

[Pharaoh]

IMO MCW isn't ready to accept that role so I'll say he's a no go

IF he was willing he could be a key cog in a winning machine

[BadMofoPimp]

yo, that was the most empty triple double I've ever seen.

you obviously haven't seen MCW play

Man it's crazy. People were killing the Sixers for getting rid of MCW, now the Sixers look like geniuses. The guy's shot is not only broken, he makes decisions/mistakes like he has trouble focusing. Do you see the Bucks continuing their efforts in developing him? Or do they try to dump him? It appears they've moved on by giving Giannis the pg responsibilities AND Tyler Ennis looks capable and steady handed.

Would you make a play for MCW as a backup for Reggie? SVG could probably develop him. He's got size and quickness to improve our defense. What are your thoughts on MCW as an upgrade at backup pg?

He does look lost out there and his confidence may be so down that he looks worse than he is. Because, I remember one game in his rookie season, he had a personal match against Oladipo where they both scored like 30 points, but MCW also had over 5 assists and 5 rebounds. And, he was hitting his shots, taking to the hoop and doing all sorts of crazy heroic things. He hasn't lost that ability. He has just lost his confidence and is probably thinking too much about not pissing off the coaches. Definitely has affected his play.

[In SVG We Trust]

Please no, there are so much terrorism in the world to got MCW in the Pistons.

[joedumars1]

Wait don't we kinda have a MCW in Dinwiddie?

[Blkbrd671]

Wait don't we kinda have a MCW in Dinwiddie?

pretty much my response to those questions. MCW is a much better athlete and rebounder than dinwiddie, biggest difference is that SD has a glimmer of a jumpshot and good TS in college. MCW ,for whatever reason, hasn't developed his jumpshot