Why did Stanley Johnson only play 13 mins tonight?

[whitehops]

johnson plays SG/SF. our starters played a lot of minutes at those two positions which doesn't leave a lot of room for bench minutes.

Harris: 42
Morris: 39
KCP: 42

essentially he'd have to take away minutes from a starter which isn't ideal, or he'd have to take blake's minutes and play a position he hasn't learned at all this year. the rotations are different, the way to guard players are different, etc.


it's a shame he didn't get more minutes but it's understandable why he didn't.

[bstein14]

He played great in the first half I didn't understand why Stan didn't let him finish out the 2nd quarter.

[joedumars1]

Stanley would not have won us this game.

Probably not, but let him play. He's been really good

[Liqourish]

Stanley would not have won us this game.

Not playing him didn't win us the game either.

[joedumars1]

johnson plays SG/SF. our starters played a lot of minutes at those two positions which doesn't leave a lot of room for bench minutes.

Harris: 42
Morris: 39
KCP: 42

essentially he'd have to take away minutes from a starter which isn't ideal, or he'd have to take blake's minutes and play a position he hasn't learned at all this year. the rotations are different, the way to guard players are different, etc.


it's a shame he didn't get more minutes but it's understandable why he didn't.

Sorry man. I'd love to see sj take minutes from mook or Harris he is our future imo

[StunnaStan]

johnson plays SG/SF. our starters played a lot of minutes at those two positions which doesn't leave a lot of room for bench minutes.

Harris: 42
Morris: 39
KCP: 42

essentially he'd have to take away minutes from a starter which isn't ideal, or he'd have to take blake's minutes and play a position he hasn't learned at all this year. the rotations are different, the way to guard players are different, etc.


it's a shame he didn't get more minutes but it's understandable why he didn't.

Sorry man. I'd love to see sj take minutes from mook or Harris he is our future imo

I wonder if mook would get mad if sj started over him next season.

[Canadafan]

All I know is, is I feel so much more confident about him then I did before this series started.
Him starting next year(winning the job)is crucial to our future success. Our bench with Morris gets stronger. Then get me Taj Gibson and Patrick Beverly and we got something here

[vic]

I'm starting to think there's some kind of fix. Svgs coaching moves have been atrocious.

It's like he's laying down and doesn't want his guys to win, he just wants to get them a good experience. They literally won 3/4 regular season games and 4/5 of the first 4 quarters in this series. They had no fear. Then svg decided to play Tolliver and Blake extra minutes and take SJ out for scoring too much

[joedumars1]

johnson plays SG/SF. our starters played a lot of minutes at those two positions which doesn't leave a lot of room for bench minutes.

Harris: 42
Morris: 39
KCP: 42

essentially he'd have to take away minutes from a starter which isn't ideal, or he'd have to take blake's minutes and play a position he hasn't learned at all this year. the rotations are different, the way to guard players are different, etc.


it's a shame he didn't get more minutes but it's understandable why he didn't.

Sorry man. I'd love to see sj take minutes from mook or Harris he is our future imo

I wonder if mook would get mad if sj started over him next season.

Not sure. He would still get a bunch of minutes. He could start at the four imo. He has the toughness and grit for it.

[DarkSyde]

SVG has a tendency for playing players that are in a slump for too long and taking out others that are playing well. It's got to be a minutes thing.

[Pharaoh]

SVG has a tendency for playing players that are in a slump for too long and taking out others that are playing well. It's got to be a minutes thing.

Or SVG is playing the long game.

There are times when your team is struggling where you don't call a time out, you don't sub, you don't do squat!

People will watch & criticise the coach asking WHY he doesn't do "anything"...without realizing that he's doing something:

Sometimes you gotta let them struggle through stuff for their own development as a group

Same for individual players - if every time they struggle or make a mistake you sit them down then you'll never build the kind of relationship you need to build.

[tmorgan]

Does everyone realize there's a really good chance that Stanley Johnson will be the emotional leader of this team before his rookie contract is up? He's intelligent, he's never afraid, and he's willing to take the heat and deflect it from others. These aren't things you often see in a 19-year-old rookie.

I completely agree that he's run his mouth too much about LeBron, but that's just who he is. If his game doesn't improve significantly, all the talk in the world won't mean anything, but I think there's a good chance he becomes something between an above-average wing and an All-Star, and that's more than good enough to be the emotional leader of a team whose two stars struggle with mood swings and scrutiny.

I wish Stan would play him more, but he's probably trying to teach him something.

[Collymore]

LOL. So we're just trying to compete and we don't care about winning? Makes sense

You can't differentiate compete and win?

Would you like to explain in detail the difference, and also explain why SVG isn't "trying to win"

Why SVG is playing vets over rookies to compete but not trying to win?

I wouldn't expect this guy to come back with a logical explanation. He got cornered by his own reasoning and paniced. Instead of commiting the number one crime of forum activity, admitting to being wrong, he started spitting out nonsense arguments. He blew an internet debate and left the thread.

[In SVG We Trust]

Tomorrow I will try to explain to you guys, but since you think very often you got so much more knowledge than a Top-5 coach in the best basketball league on this planet, I think maybe will be hard for you to understand it.

[Pharaoh]

I believe SJ is going to be the leader of this team & I think SVG believes it as well - hence the lack of playing time in Game 3.

You can make an argument that SJ should have played more - put him nose to nose with Lebron and watch the fireworks...

But SVG is playing the long game. Lebron is obviously hyped for the battle, he wants to "put the rookie in his place" so SVG playing SJ less is about protecting him.

Not from Lebron - SJ shows no fear!

Not from the media - they'll spin whatever narrative they want regardless.

Not from his own team mates - they know the real SJ & will back him up.

SVG played SJ less to protect him from himself! Stan doesn't want SJ to lose focus on the task at hand in order to compete in the individual game vs Lebron.

That's my take on it anyway.

Game 4 will be interesting

[The Moose]

Tomorrow I will try to explain to you guys, but since you think very often you got so much more knowledge than a Top-5 coach in the best basketball league on this planet, I think maybe will be hard for you to understand it.

I don't think anyone thinks they have more basketball knowledge than SVG, I'm questioning something YOU said, not SVG. In my opinion you are arguing the point that is in complete opposition to what SVG thinks

[In SVG We Trust]

Why SVG is playing vets over rookies to compete but not trying to win?

I wouldn't expect this guy to come back with a logical explanation. He got cornered by his own reasoning and paniced. Instead of commiting the number one crime of forum activity, admitting to being wrong, he started spitting out nonsense arguments. He blew an internet debate and left the thread.

It's simple, even you can understand it. You're trying to win because win, compete, is the better way to develop young players. But you're not trying to win at all cost, you're not making dumb Nets moves, you're not sacrificing our future to win a damn first round. A first round everybody on this planet who is not a kid anymore knew we're not gonna win. You play vets over young players because there a are a hierarchy in the NBA lockerrooms, there are some ranges, there are fits, and there are vets who helps other player to grow and they quit pression on them.

So again, you guys are complaining about the bad coaching, not talking about the C-less unit, how SVG minimized the impact of Love, and a lot of things I think I don't need it even to say.

Some of you aren't so much better than Maker, sorry. You guys got big favorites players who never are criticized and some players who can make a hell of a game but they're scrubs for one or two mistakes. Funny thing is some people who wants Stanley out the rotation and call SVG for that, then were complaining about he not playing because he was doing it pretty well.

There are a lot of mental aspect in this game, and when I read some posters here, I think they never have reading a basketball book. There are great books about how great coaches managed their lockerrooms, and of course like Pharaoh said, protect young players is a great move.

Stanley did it. Showed his rage, showed he really could ball, make a great limited performance. Maybe Stan thought he gives his max production and maybe then of this he could have obsessed with being great at that level and frustrate against LeBron.

I'm not in the SVG mind, but for sure I'm going to think very calmed down things before say the coach who has given back us the proud of being a Pistons fan and a bad boy, made a bad coaching game.

[The Moose]

Why SVG is playing vets over rookies to compete but not trying to win?

I wouldn't expect this guy to come back with a logical explanation. He got cornered by his own reasoning and paniced. Instead of commiting the number one crime of forum activity, admitting to being wrong, he started spitting out nonsense arguments. He blew an internet debate and left the thread.

It's simple, even you can understand it. You're trying to win because win, compete, is the better way to develop young players. But you're not trying to win at all cost, you're not making dumb Nets moves, you're not sacrificing our future to win a damn first round. A first round everybody on this planet who is not a kid anymore knew we're not gonna win. You play vets over young players because there a are a hierarchy in the NBA lockerrooms, there are some ranges, there are fits, and there are vets who helps other player to grow and they quit pression on them.

So again, you guys are complaining about the bad coaching, not talking about the C-less unit, how SVG minimized the impact of Love, and a lot of things I think I don't need it even to say.

Some of you aren't so much better than Maker, sorry. You guys got big favorites players who never are criticized and some players who can make a hell of a game but they're scrubs for one or two mistakes. Funny thing is some people who wants Stanley out the rotation and call SVG for that, then were complaining about he not playing because he was doing it pretty well.


There are a lot of mental aspect in this game, and when I read some posters here, I think they never have reading a basketball book. There are great books about how great coaches managed their lockerrooms, and of course like Pharaoh said, protect young players is a great move.

Stanley did it. Showed his rage, showed he really could ball, make a great limited performance. Maybe Stan thought he gives his max production and maybe then of this he could have obsessed with being great at that level and frustrate against LeBron.

I'm not in the SVG mind, but for sure I'm going to think very calmed down things before say the coach who has given back us the proud of being a Pistons fan and a bad boy, made a bad coaching game.

One point I've never understood that you keep using in your argument is the Stanley Johnson point.
People started saying he shouldn't be playing because he was playing poorly and recovering from an injury. Some here claimed bullock was more deserving of his minutes. The thing is, SVG actually AGREED, hence the taking SJ out of the rotation. So it's actually those posters who are in line with SVG not the other way around.

Also just because someone is a great coach, as I believe SVG is, doesn't mean they can't have a bad coaching game, it's the same as a great player having a bad game, they are rare but they do happen