question for the board

[flow]

Not true. In every thread and every post about Drummond, it's "...well, he has a lot of improving to do, but he's still so young! He's only 22! The ceiling is so high!" Bla, bla, bla

You're just seeing what you want to see. This specific thread is about where Drummond as a prospect would have went in this draft, so potential is a big thing. That's what draft prospects are all about.

But Andre is still good right now with or without potential.

No, I made the post after reading post #13, which you apparently haven't read - it's about his current potential, not draft potential.

Nonetheless, I could easily have posted my response in every Drummond-related thread on this board. Every one reverts to his still-great-potential due to his athletic ability and only being 22.

[dVs33]

Never before have I seen the word potential so readily attached to a 5th year nba starter. People keep talking about how young he is as if he was first 18 yr old to ever enter the league.

Well, Drummond is already a very good player and he still has quite a bit of potential to get even better.

But that word is being used here in reference to Drummond as a prospect coming out of Connecticut, not the player he is now. That's the framework of the question.

Not true. In every thread and every post about Drummond, it's "...Well, he has a lot of improving to do, but he's still so young! He's only 22! The ceiling is so high!" As if he just got out of his first AAU camp.

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Do you not think that is true though, flow??

[flow]

Well, Drummond is already a very good player and he still has quite a bit of potential to get even better.

But that word is being used here in reference to Drummond as a prospect coming out of Connecticut, not the player he is now. That's the framework of the question.

Not true. In every thread and every post about Drummond, it's "...Well, he has a lot of improving to do, but he's still so young! He's only 22! The ceiling is so high!" As if he just got out of his first AAU camp.

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Do you not think that is true though, flow??

I have my reservations. He's been an nba starter for 4 years now. That's more important than his age. Folks treat him like he just started playing the game 4 years ago. This isn't an Olajuwon situation. He's been playing basketball his whole life. I don't see his ceiling being a whole lot higher than it is right now.

[dVs33]

Not true. In every thread and every post about Drummond, it's "...Well, he has a lot of improving to do, but he's still so young! He's only 22! The ceiling is so high!" As if he just got out of his first AAU camp.

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Do you not think that is true though, flow??

I have my reservations. He's been an nba starter for 4 years now. That's more important than his age. Folks treat him like he just started playing the game 4 years ago. This isn't an Olajuwon situation. He's been plating his whole life. I don't see his ceiling being a whole lot higher than it is right now.

I think he's made legitimate gains every year and there's no reason to think he won't continue to develop, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Bigs tend to take longer and all that, but you could be right.

[flow]

Do you not think that is true though, flow??

I have my reservations. He's been an nba starter for 4 years now. That's more important than his age. Folks treat him like he just started playing the game 4 years ago. This isn't an Olajuwon situation. He's been plating his whole life. I don't see his ceiling being a whole lot higher than it is right now.

I think he's made legitimate gains every year and there's no reason to think he won't continue to develop, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Bigs tend to take longer and all that, but you could be right.

Don't get me wrong, I like Drummond, and I appreciate what he brings to the team. I just think we (the board) overvalue him a bit. That said, I'd be very happy to be proven wrong!

[dVs33]

I have my reservations. He's been an nba starter for 4 years now. That's more important than his age. Folks treat him like he just started playing the game 4 years ago. This isn't an Olajuwon situation. He's been plating his whole life. I don't see his ceiling being a whole lot higher than it is right now.

I think he's made legitimate gains every year and there's no reason to think he won't continue to develop, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Bigs tend to take longer and all that, but you could be right.

Don't get me wrong, I like Drummond, and I appreciate what he brings to the team. I just think we (the board) overvalue him a bit. That said, I'd be very happy to be proven wrong!

We might. But I don't think it's baseless or just homerism. You see a guy of that size with his athleticism and it's hard not to get excited.
My hope this year is obviously an improvement in FT%, but also an improvement on the defensive side. He gets lost too easily and doesn't protect the paint as well as he could. If he gets that going, then he'll be a legit superstar.

[harisahmad]

hi I know this is completely off topic and has no relevance to this post but I just wanted a place to introduce myself. i'm haris and i'm a huge fan of the pistons. Made an account a few months ago, forgot about it, and just logged on for the first time. I hope to be a part of the discussion around here. Go Pistons!

Welcome bro.

Where you from?
How old are you?
Why are you a Piston fan?
Best memory?
Fav player?

The usual questions lol

I live in Toledo Ohio, about an hour and a half from the palace

I'm 19

Pistons fan since 2004 so am I a bandwagon fan? I was 7 then. I used to live in another state and while my parents were looking for a place in Toledo, I was living with my aunt in suburban Detroit, and we all watched the 04 run together. I loved it and have been a Pistons fan ever since

Best memory is a toughie. Probably my first Pistons game in 09 or beating the Warriors at the palace this season.

All time favorite player is Chauncey Billups. Current favorite is probably Marcus Morris

[MrBigShot]

hi I know this is completely off topic and has no relevance to this post but I just wanted a place to introduce myself. i'm haris and i'm a huge fan of the pistons. Made an account a few months ago, forgot about it, and just logged on for the first time. I hope to be a part of the discussion around here. Go Pistons!

Welcome to the board man. Great time to be a pistons fan right now.

[tmorgan]

Don't get me wrong, I like Drummond, and I appreciate what he brings to the team. I just think we (the board) overvalue him a bit. That said, I'd be very happy to be proven wrong!

I think we do overvalue him, and more than a bit, but it's the nature of being a fan AND the nature of the structure of this team. Without Drummond and his ability to handle the majority of the rebounding on both ends, we can't run the system we do, so he is, undoubtedly, the only irreplaceable part on this team.

[harisahmad]

hi I know this is completely off topic and has no relevance to this post but I just wanted a place to introduce myself. i'm haris and i'm a huge fan of the pistons. Made an account a few months ago, forgot about it, and just logged on for the first time. I hope to be a part of the discussion around here. Go Pistons!

Welcome to the board man. Great time to be a pistons fan right now.

thanks, and it sure is!

[davidvolumes]

I believe it would be a mistake to say dre talent "potential" is over valued. When he entered the NBA he was as raw as they come. 4 years later and we still cant identify a single area where he employs technique rather than raw ability. One technique that would improve his efficiency would be to establish deeper post position. Look at the film of boban and baynes. They punish defenders to get deep post position. That one technique would greatly increase his efficiency. 48 minutes of pure physical hell from the center position. Andre can be great if he chooses to put in the work.

[Manocad]

Technique vs. raw ability means diddly squat if the outcome is the same. Who gives a flying fark how a player gets his points, rebounds, etc. as long as he gets them? Assuming equal efficiency of course.