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Eh I don't look at Leuer as a panic signing. SVG did well this off season he when after Horford and he didn't want to come. So he then went to plan B to get Leuer who they were very vocal about wanting for years. It not like he went and signed anyone he signed a guy that in theory would be a fantastic fit. Sure Leuer bounced around but he have a good season, guys like Lin did the same thing and Delly played with Lebron I don't know how you can hold that against him.
Like you said with Smith you can--not like the signing but to say you don't because the Delly and Lin contracts make little sense.
Like you said with Smith you can--not like the signing but to say you don't because the Delly and Lin contracts make little sense.
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Ish at $6 mil is a bargain for a back up PG that can start in a pinch.
JL at $10 mil is a decent contract for a big that can stretch the floor and start at PF/C if needed.
In a league where Mozgov (among others) is getting $15+ mil it boggles my mind that people say we didn't get value out of free agency.
JL at $10 mil is a decent contract for a big that can stretch the floor and start at PF/C if needed.
In a league where Mozgov (among others) is getting $15+ mil it boggles my mind that people say we didn't get value out of free agency.
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Ish smith has been bouncing around the league his whole career like a beachball at a nickelback concert. I think that was an overpay you'll not be too happy with. He's better than Steve Blake is like saying youre ice cream flavor is better than pralines.
I think it's leuer but boban could morph into a good player if he ever gets anywhere on defense.
I think it's leuer but boban could morph into a good player if he ever gets anywhere on defense.
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Johnstarks wrote:Ish smith has been bouncing around the league his whole career like a beachball at a nickelback concert. I think that was an overpay you'll not be too happy with. He's better than Steve Blake is like saying youre ice cream flavor is better than pralines.
I think it's leuer but boban could morph into a good player if he ever gets anywhere on defense.
Ish Smith has bounced around but he's obviously learnt some things along the way.
Last couple of seasons he's been fine as a spot starter or "the" starter.
Our scouting department obviously thought he was worth adding. I'll take their opinion over fans on a message board
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Ish is going to make our second unit a loooooot better. Just driving to the rim we're going to find shooters like Bullock or Leuer, both reliables, and SJ is going to have less pressure on offense. I expect a quality jump in terms of eficiency for him.
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Not sure where yall are getting that info on ish. He started out of pure necessity in philly and he wasn't good there. He can't shoot. Now granted, they had a terrible roster but just because he didn't play very well at other previous stops isn't a reliable indicator that he will be good in Detroit. He's iffy at best
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Johnstarks wrote:Not sure where yall are getting that info on ish. He started out of pure necessity in philly and he wasn't good there. He can't shoot. Now granted, they had a terrible roster but just because he didn't play very well at other previous stops isn't a reliable indicator that he will be good in Detroit. He's iffy at best
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I don't think any of these guys are going to average more than 20min anyways. They all bring something different than the starters. First of all if we weren't getting a star we needed depth. So after Horford was gone these were the right moves. Smith speed and playmaking ability is better than Jackson's, his speed is top in the league, perfect for some easy baskets that we need. Boban can be used on inbounds plays and cuase havoc, the seven minutes he might or can get could totally disrupt that opponent or disrupt a run, valuable piece. Lauer is the answer to K Love, or bigger 4s, these are the guys that do well in SVG system, he can also backup center, Ellison in a year will be the backup, Lauer and Boban will backup DRummond, good piece, functionality is worth the money, this is a good group, every team has to overpay someone to complete the roster unless your Cleveland, San Antonio, or GS. Best roster we've had since the last year Flip Suanders was there.
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Ish was the starting PG for one of the worst teams of all time. Putting any stock in that is like saying the Lions will be fine if Stafford gets hurt because Orlovsky started on the '08 team lol
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In SVG We Trust wrote:Ish is going to make our second unit a loooooot better. Just driving to the rim we're going to find shooters like Bullock or Leuer, both reliables, and SJ is going to have less pressure on offense. I expect a quality jump in terms of eficiency por him.
i think smith will have the most noticeable impact on the team too. our offense really relies on the point guard to run high pick and roll and threaten penetration off that. blake was totally incapable of doing that and our bench offense was normally stagnant because of it.
having that drive and kick element will make it a lot easier for the other guys (johnson, leuer, hilliard/bullock) to make plays.
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It is very odd how another teams fan sounds eerily similar to some of this boards very own posters.
One might say they have zero faith in Stan, or even hope he, and the Pistons fail.
I mean I can understand not being sure of a signing, as I am with Ish, but is it possible to, you know, wait and see? Ish does things none of our backup point gaurds could do last year, and that was drive and dish. Ish does that very well. His shooting while not great, is good enough when he had options which he does.
This is not last year's bench. It's not even close.
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Johnstarks wrote:Not sure where yall are getting that info on ish. He started out of pure necessity in philly and he wasn't good there. He can't shoot. Now granted, they had a terrible roster but just because he didn't play very well at other previous stops isn't a reliable indicator that he will be good in Detroit. He's iffy at best
He wasn't good in Philly?
I hate to say this but: did you watch ANY Philly games before he arrived? Or after?
FFS it was obvious that he made a huge difference to their team...Noel benefited big time
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Pharaoh wrote:Johnstarks wrote:Not sure where yall are getting that info on ish. He started out of pure necessity in philly and he wasn't good there. He can't shoot. Now granted, they had a terrible roster but just because he didn't play very well at other previous stops isn't a reliable indicator that he will be good in Detroit. He's iffy at best
He wasn't good in Philly?
I hate to say this but: did you watch ANY Philly games before he arrived? Or after?
FFS it was obvious that he made a huge difference to their team...Noel benefited big time
They didn't have a pg on the roster prior to signing him. And that improvement was pretty short lived. Ish is a journeyman because he's a poor defender who can't shoot. He does have quickness and can help get you into your offense unlike blake so I understand the move. I just think you gave a lot of guaranteed money and years to a guy who is barely a replacement level player.
I don't like the strategy of committing cap space to someone who could easily be replaced off the scrap heap if he gets hurt. Especially in an offseason where borderline trash players were getting into 8 figure bidding wars and waiver wire guys like hibbert, ish smith, and yi Jialian are making big money. If he gets hurt you're now stuck with a guy who wasn't a needle mover if healthy and never really had any upside potential.
Boban showed flashes and he was pretty productive in limited minutes. I wouldn't let one horrible matchup vs okc completely diminish his potential value. Leuer is a good fit next to drummond so his signing makes sense as well. Comparing ish smith to these guys seems pretty silly imo. And calling him the best backup in the league? That's a really big stretch. You can't tell me you'd rather have him over livingston, mack, mills, or joseph
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Johnstarks wrote:Pharaoh wrote:Johnstarks wrote:Not sure where yall are getting that info on ish. He started out of pure necessity in philly and he wasn't good there. He can't shoot. Now granted, they had a terrible roster but just because he didn't play very well at other previous stops isn't a reliable indicator that he will be good in Detroit. He's iffy at best
He wasn't good in Philly?
I hate to say this but: did you watch ANY Philly games before he arrived? Or after?
FFS it was obvious that he made a huge difference to their team...Noel benefited big time
They didn't have a pg on the roster prior to signing him. And that improvement was pretty short lived. Ish is a journeyman because he's a poor defender who can't shoot. He does have quickness and can help get you into your offense unlike blake so I understand the move. I just think you gave a lot of guaranteed money and years to a guy who is barely a replacement level player.
I don't like the strategy of committing cap space to someone who could easily be replaced off the scrap heap if he gets hurt. Especially in an offseason where borderline trash players were getting into 8 figure bidding wars and waiver wire guys like hibbert, ish smith, and yi Jialian are making big money. If he gets hurt you're now stuck with a guy who wasn't a needle mover if healthy and never really had any upside potential.
Boban showed flashes and he was pretty productive in limited minutes. I wouldn't let one horrible matchup vs okc completely diminish his potential value. Leuer is a good fit next to drummond so his signing makes sense as well. Comparing ish smith to these guys seems pretty silly imo. And calling him the best backup in the league? That's a really big stretch. You can't tell me you'd rather have him over livingston, mack, mills, or joseph
That as our backup point guard? Yes please.
He should, on paper fit perfectly with the team. Just perfectly.
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So many nice Ish/Noel P&R or just straight Noel rolling plays. Dre can do all that stuff, too.
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Ish Smith had the 4th most drives in the league last season...
So if it's known he can't shoot AND teams knew Philly couldn't hurt them from deep HOW did he get so many drives?
He's no longer a journeyman scrub
So if it's known he can't shoot AND teams knew Philly couldn't hurt them from deep HOW did he get so many drives?
He's no longer a journeyman scrub
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I would have preferred some else but SVG is gonna get the most out of Smith. The pistons are the perfect team for PGs that can get in the paint and or use the pnr.
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How can't a guy understand what backup means?