Joe Dumars Broke Our Hearts
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When he traded Mr. Big Shot. We started 4-0 and things looked promising that year, but with AI it was a horribly depressing season. I only started watching in 03-04 so I was only used to seeing us make deep playoff runs, not being 1st round fodder. Beyond that Chauncey was my favorite player at the time and seeing him go really sucked.
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I must be the only one that remembers the Billups not bringing it every night in the Playoffs those last couple of years. Not showing up when it mattered most. That trade needed to be done to shake up things here cause that was as treadmill of a team as it got. They were done winning it all. Billups was rejuvenated to be back home in Colorado and with a talent like Carmelo, but I'm not buying the Billups love the same level most Pistons fans do, I remember him letting me down those playoff runs towards the end, and he wasnt that valuable to other teams perception wise. I have no clue why Tay was here for so long also.
The thing the bothers me the most about the Joe tenure is the Darko move but not from simply drafting him, upset Joe didnt have the foresight to know that punk would not mesh well with our players. I can imagine the type of intimidation Ben (and eventually) Sheed had on that kid. I remember reading stories about his war torn upbringing thinking he had toughness to him, but that kid was anything but tough.
Joe Dumars did not break my heart, I was too young to watch and remember the Bad Boys and at that time in 04, they were one of 5 organizations in 25 years to win a title. I will forever be grateful for that.
People need to start blaming ownership for things like personnel and coaching moves as well. Funny how they always get a pass unless your last name is Ford.
The thing the bothers me the most about the Joe tenure is the Darko move but not from simply drafting him, upset Joe didnt have the foresight to know that punk would not mesh well with our players. I can imagine the type of intimidation Ben (and eventually) Sheed had on that kid. I remember reading stories about his war torn upbringing thinking he had toughness to him, but that kid was anything but tough.
Joe Dumars did not break my heart, I was too young to watch and remember the Bad Boys and at that time in 04, they were one of 5 organizations in 25 years to win a title. I will forever be grateful for that.
People need to start blaming ownership for things like personnel and coaching moves as well. Funny how they always get a pass unless your last name is Ford.
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The_Irony wrote:I must be the only one that remembers the Billups not bringing it every night in the Playoffs those last couple of years. Not showing up when it mattered most. That trade needed to be done to shake up things here cause that was as treadmill of a team as it got. They were done winning it all. Billups was rejuvenated to be back home in Colorado and with a talent like Carmelo, but I'm not buying the Billups love the same level most Pistons fans do, I remember him letting me down those playoff runs towards the end, and he wasnt that valuable to other teams perception wise. I have no clue why Tay was here for so long also.
The thing the bothers me the most about the Joe tenure is the Darko move but not from simply drafting him, upset Joe didnt have the foresight to know that punk would not mesh well with our players. I can imagine the type of intimidation Ben (and eventually) Sheed had on that kid. I remember reading stories about his war torn upbringing thinking he had toughness to him, but that kid was anything but tough.
Joe Dumars did not break my heart, I was too young to watch and remember the Bad Boys and at that time in 04, they were one of 5 organizations in 25 years to win a title. I will forever be grateful for that.
People need to start blaming ownership for things like personnel and coaching moves as well. Funny how they always get a pass unless your last name is Ford.
That was another problem that killed us. He held onto our guys like Rip and Tay until they just lost all value. While they weren't going to land a huge haul they had no business here helping us stay in no mans land. They should have been cashed in on too a contender while we went into full blown rebuild.
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I actually liked the Billups trade - it was the right thing to do. He had a big contract, younger, quicker guards were coming into the picture (DWill, CP3) and we had an aging roster. SO we get AI and his $20M expiring deal, and pair that along with Sheed's $20M expiring deal, and we had a lot of cap space to do good things.
But WHAT WE DID WITH THE CAPSPACE is the problem, not the trade. Outbidding ourselves to get Charlie V and Ben Gordon destroyed us for years. If we would have wisely used in a some less expensive talent, or used it to facilitate some trades while picking up draft picks, we would have been in pretty good shape. But we didn't. And that's my biggest problem with Dumars.
But WHAT WE DID WITH THE CAPSPACE is the problem, not the trade. Outbidding ourselves to get Charlie V and Ben Gordon destroyed us for years. If we would have wisely used in a some less expensive talent, or used it to facilitate some trades while picking up draft picks, we would have been in pretty good shape. But we didn't. And that's my biggest problem with Dumars.
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theBigLip wrote:I actually liked the Billups trade - it was the right thing to do. He had a big contract, younger, quicker guards were coming into the picture (DWill, CP3) and we had an aging roster. SO we get AI and his $20M expiring deal, and pair that along with Sheed's $20M expiring deal, and we had a lot of cap space to do good things.
But WHAT WE DID WITH THE CAPSPACE is the problem, not the trade. Outbidding ourselves to get Charlie V and Ben Gordon destroyed us for years. If we would have wisely used in a some less expensive talent, or used it to facilitate some trades while picking up draft picks, we would have been in pretty good shape. But we didn't. And that's my biggest problem with Dumars.
THIS!
Paul Millsap wasa free agent that off-season.
Carlos Boozer could have been. IF we got word to him and his agent we were gonna give him the max he would've opted out I'm sure.
Dice, Millsap/Boozer, Tayshaun, Rip, Stuckey would have been our starters.
Not a contender but not useless and ruined for years either
None of this Rip v BG rubbish
None of the Nova rubbish
Joe's faith in Stuckey is what doomed us! My guess is that Joe saw a little bit of himself in Stuckey...but didn't realise he had Zeke beside him while Stuckey had Rip & BG, neither of whom had the mental make up Thomas had